Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[Malagor the dank omen]

I really could go on and on, but it was one of the rare times that I sat on the internet and I was true and honestly seething at how stupid and, dare I say unaware of their privilege, these people are. By no means am I denying that a lot of men need to get their shit together (who couldn't improve somewhere?,) but the amount of absolute messes in the comments acting like women are these hyper evolved creatures who are just so horribly done by without a hint of irony or introspection couldn't be a better free promotion for the MGTOW crowd.

Both sides have a lot to work on. But of course, nobody wants to take the blame for anything, even if both sides are to blame on why relationship standards have taken a major hit. Both share some issues (lack of self improvement, insanely high standards, the "I can do better" mentality...) but men and women also have different problems that they need to tackle by themselves.

I will concede that motivation in times like these is hard to come by, specially knowing that a relationship might fizzle out for the dumbest of reasons as well as, like you said, the way in which relationships have become inmense casual and people usually do not want to commit or have the responsability to have a family or a partner to care for.

Plus, when you see shit like this appear you get a bit depressed and you think "nah, i'm good".

These people remind me of the anti-prison folks. They act as if everything will be ok if the crook just admits that they are sorry and talks it out with the victim (and throws some money if he/she was raped). If you ask them about violent felons, they'll say those people hardly ever get caught so why both worrying about them.

Yep. It's scary and depressing. I really don't get this misguided, excessive sympathy for criminals and other bad people. I understand the urge to forgive, offering the opportunity to reform, criminals having rights and so on. However, it's being done to the point of absurdity. Like it doesn't matter if the criminals actually reform or not.

These kind of activists for how criminals are just poor people that don't know better make me insanely mad, specially if you follow the news regularly. Dunno where these people come from (Most likely a suburban rich white neighbourhood, i know), but their ideas about how people should be forgiven and be given a pat in the back for having the strength to admit their wrongs is the most naïve thing i could hear. It symbolizes the leftist idea that people aren't evil, just uneducated/dumb/poor and they should be pityed and not punished. Plus, people that honestly regret what they have done and want forgiveness usually think they deserve the punishment they get as long as it is according to the crime.

And on the subject of having the criminal say "i'm sorry" and let him go, i will post a story.

Spoiler: Criminal time

This story is about a Spanish criminal called Jose Antonio Rodriguez Vega, known also as the Bike Rapist and the Old Ladykiller. The man was an extremely violent criminal as you could guess, but the guy had the luck of genetics on his side and he was a very handsome man that could give the appearance of someone with very good manners and education. Initially he was thrown out of his house by his mother for abusing his bedridden cancer striken father and he raped 8 women in the span of half a year. He would have ended in jail for 27 years if it wasn't because in old times, in Spain you could ask your victim for forgiveness publicly for a big time reduction. This worked and from those 27 years he spent 8 because all but one women forgave him. This meant that while he was still in his late 20s he got out on the streets and the year after his release he killed and raped 16 old women in the span of 3 years. All could have been avoided if he was still locked in jail, but the penal code allowed for time reductions if the victim forgave you.

TL;DR: Violent criminal gets forgiven by his victims, his punishment is lenient and surprise, he goes on to be a violent criminal once more.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

These kind of activists for how criminals are just poor people that don't know better make me insanely mad, specially if you follow the news regularly.

Same here! It will never not make me angry. I call these people enablers because that's exactly what they're doing. They're treating criminals like victims. Most of these criminals seem to internalize this mentality. It removes their moral agency. It also numbs them to any feelings of guilt, shame, and remorse. Why feel bad about what you did when you're going to be treated like a helpless victim anyway? They have nothing to fear because no one wants to punish them! There are no consequences, so they don't have to change!

TL;DR: Violent criminal gets forgiven by his victims, his punishment is lenient and surprise, he goes on to be a violent criminal once more.

Thank you for sharing that story. It proves our point too. Sometimes, I wish we could punish the misguided dumbfucks who dote on criminals. The idea that all a scumbag has to do is make sad puppy dog eyes to get let off the hook is disturbing and infuriating.

 

[Fapcop]

Yep. It's scary and depressing. I really don't get this misguided, excessive sympathy for criminals and other bad people. I understand the urge to forgive, offering the opportunity to reform, criminals having rights and so on. However, it's being done to the point of absurdity. Like it doesn't matter if the criminals actually reform or not.

Whenever I've argued with these types of people in the past, they have a complete disregard for the victims of these criminals. It doesn't matter how severe their crimes are. All they care about is if the criminal can just return to normal life with few or no consequences. One such liberal idiot insisted that he doesn't want anyone to suffer. I always thought that was weird because he's basically turning a blind eye to the repeated suffering created by criminals. Yet another unironically believed that dangerous people should only be held in jail for an hour or less for their own protection with no other consequences. These were arguments I had both on and offline.

Pardon my rambling, but I really get sick of all this pro-criminal bullshit that goes on these days. I don't get how this passes for justice. I suspect the only reason these idiot activists stand up for criminals is because they're not affected by them. Like with many other issues! They can slither off to their cozy gated communities while the rest of us rot.

Not enough is made out of the rehabilitative function of prisons. The U.S. Justice system has become 100% focused on the punitive part of locking up criminals, as well as act as a federally/state subsidized business for penal corporations.

But it’s definitely true that there are plenty of prisoners who you just can’t rehabilitate and who are, for lack of a better word: Evil.

 

[Hummingbird]

It's even more pathetic when these heart-bleeders are also anti-cop (or at least for defunding them). These people are either ultra-naive or are crooks themselves (like that co-founder of BLM). It's a good chance that they're also anti-gun.

 

[Flexo]

Not enough is made out of the rehabilitative function of prisons. The U.S. Justice system has become 100% focused on the punitive part of locking up criminals, as well as act as a federally/state subsidized business for penal corporations.

But it’s definitely true that there are plenty of prisoners who you just can’t rehabilitate and who are, for lack of a better word: Evil.

If you don't work in the criminal justice field, I can't recommend enough reading Peter Grant's book about his time as a prison chaplain for a "close enough" experience.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls.

www.amazon.com

After one passage when he talks about working with an actually repentant criminal who did earnestly want to turn his life around, he concludes:

Is Felix’s case a pattern that anyone can follow? In theory, yes… but most regrettably, I have to admit that in practice it isn’t. The vast majority of inmates in my experience are simply not serious about changing. They either can’t or won’t work hard at understanding themselves and deliberately focusing on change. It’s just too much hard work, or they don’t ‘feel’ good about it (there’s that word again!) or they fear the scorn of their criminal comrades. I daresay that eight or nine out of ten inmates will have such reactions. I’d be astonished (and delighted) if more than one or two out of ten had the guts and determination to tackle this process and see it through to the end, in the absence of a more formal, structured requirement for them to do so.​

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The problem ever with trying to have a "rehabilitative" penal system is that nobody ever asks the first question: Do the criminals want to be rehabilitated?

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

The problem ever with trying to have a "rehabilitative" penal system is that nobody ever asks the first question: Do the criminals want to be rehabilitated?

Damn, the passage really illustrates well what goes with criminals. It's kinda like the caste thing that happened in Japan though most of its history (don't remember the name, feel free to correct me) in which the rejected banded together since they had no way to turn their life around. Thankfully in the west we don't have that cultural stigma, but something similar happens in which the criminals band together and form their own society and once you're in it's hard to leave it. And even many that give off the appearance of leaving their criminal life behind usually still have some sort of connection through friends or aquaintances. After all, which kind of goodie two shoes would want to be friends with a former convict even if he had the best intentions after being in jail.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

If you don't work in the criminal justice field, I can't recommend enough reading Peter Grant's book about his time as a prison chaplain for a "close enough" experience.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls.

www.amazon.com

After one passage when he talks about working with an actually repentant criminal who did earnestly want to turn his life around, he concludes:

Is Felix’s case a pattern that anyone can follow? In theory, yes… but most regrettably, I have to admit that in practice it isn’t. The vast majority of inmates in my experience are simply not serious about changing. They either can’t or won’t work hard at understanding themselves and deliberately focusing on change. It’s just too much hard work, or they don’t ‘feel’ good about it (there’s that word again!) or they fear the scorn of their criminal comrades. I daresay that eight or nine out of ten inmates will have such reactions. I’d be astonished (and delighted) if more than one or two out of ten had the guts and determination to tackle this process and see it through to the end, in the absence of a more formal, structured requirement for them to do so.​

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The problem ever with trying to have a "rehabilitative" penal system is that nobody ever asks the first question: Do the criminals want to be rehabilitated?

I think your own citation answers that question. Very few, but some of them sincerely do.

The true question is, should society sift for those few or not?

 

[Fapcop]

If you don't work in the criminal justice field, I can't recommend enough reading Peter Grant's book about his time as a prison chaplain for a "close enough" experience.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls - Kindle edition by Grant, Peter. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading Walls, Wire, Bars and Souls.

www.amazon.com

After one passage when he talks about working with an actually repentant criminal who did earnestly want to turn his life around, he concludes:

Is Felix’s case a pattern that anyone can follow? In theory, yes… but most regrettably, I have to admit that in practice it isn’t. The vast majority of inmates in my experience are simply not serious about changing. They either can’t or won’t work hard at understanding themselves and deliberately focusing on change. It’s just too much hard work, or they don’t ‘feel’ good about it (there’s that word again!) or they fear the scorn of their criminal comrades. I daresay that eight or nine out of ten inmates will have such reactions. I’d be astonished (and delighted) if more than one or two out of ten had the guts and determination to tackle this process and see it through to the end, in the absence of a more formal, structured requirement for them to do so.​

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The problem ever with trying to have a "rehabilitative" penal system is that nobody ever asks the first question: Do the criminals want to be rehabilitated?

I don’t entirely disagree with you nor the good reverend. (and it’d be interesting to see recidivism rates compared across different countries.)

But for some, not for all, there’s just not that much prospect in “turning your life around”.

When everyone can see your criminal record, and it’s extremely hard to get a job with one, it’s human nature for many people to go: “Fuck it!” And embrace the scumbag lifestyle.

Not saying that there aren’t plenty of criminals who aren’t scumbags, but we could also do with some reforms of not just the penal system but also post-release system.

In principle you’re supposed to have paid your debt to society once you’re released. Practice is somewhat different.

I think your own citation answers that question. Very few, but some of them sincerely do.

The true question is, should society sift for those few or not?

Yes it should.

Not just because “sifting” for them means importing less workers from shithole countries, who bring in their whole families and are overall a massive drain on the system.

But also because the criminal Justice system is so goddamn expensive.

Courts and prisons are a huge goddamn expense, we could save money by cutting every criminal a monthly check in return for them smoking weed and not getting locked up, rather than spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year for every person locked up.

 

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[Malagor the dank omen]

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To add to this, during most of history most people didn't had to pay taxes. Only the people that had a say in the affairs of the country and the decisions to be taken had to pay taxes and fund the country. Initially this meant that only people that owned land had to pay taxes, but some time after that, this changed. You know what changed? That's right: voting. You vote, you pay taxes. Old census vote worked like this: only certain sectors of the population had a saying in politics and decisions, but they were also the only ones paying taxes. In old times i would have seen that having a say in politics was something important but today i would gladly give up my right to vote and not have to pay taxes for life.

 

[Fapcop]

Salman Rushdie just got stabbed at an event.

The SJW neckbeards at hacker news are wonder who on earth the attacker could be and what his motivations are!



Indeed! If only we knew! Say, does this Rushdie guy perhaps have a beef with someone?!

Hmm yes, must be mental illness!

And get ready for the thread to devolve in your basic ass “hurr-durr-Popper-intolerance!” Nonsense.

 

[Flexo]

@Malagor the dank omen @Oh Long Johnson @Fapcop
Believe me, you work in the life enough and you'll see all kinds of stories. From those who had no real chance to those who really just had a bad day.

You'd be surprised how many alternatives to jail there are and how much prosecutors will try to put people in those than bars. (Heck here locally we have a small controversy right now over TOO many people in HIP.) I always support more alternatives being tried and experimented with. I also recommend the CS Lewis essay "on the humanitarian theory of punishment."

But there are some folks who are just bad and won't be changed without something drastic.

Spoiler: another quote from the book

I would argue that there are several characteristics of a hardened criminal mindset. They are personality traits, attitudes or perspectives on life that, in my experience as a clergyman and prison chaplain, are almost always present in inmates to a greater or lesser extent.

1. Selfishness
2. A manipulative approach to relationships.
3. Refusal to accept responsibility.
4. A sense of superiority.
5. A quest for power and authority.
6. A need for excitement.
7. Inability to feel guilt.
8. Compartmentalization.
9. A state of perpetual anger.
10. A refusal to accept reality.

(Why yes I do notice that seems to describe a lot of politicians.)

 

[JohnDoe]

I don’t entirely disagree with you nor the good reverend. (and it’d be interesting to see recidivism rates compared across different countries.)

But for some, not for all, there’s just not that much prospect in “turning your life around”.

When everyone can see your criminal record, and it’s extremely hard to get a job with one, it’s human nature for many people to go: “Fuck it!” And embrace the scumbag lifestyle.

I get a lot of support from the SJ types when I tell them that we shouldn't hold criminal pasts against people, that we need to help convicts get jobs and stabilize their lives after their release, etc. If you steal some cars, do your time and go straight, become a mechanic or something.

Then the smiles turn to frowns when I reveal the other side of the equation - that the response to our system of overcrowded 'warehouse' system is more executions. Sorry, not sorry, but 20-something dropouts with multiple violent crimes need to be permanently removed via rope. Heck, we could knock out 50% of violent crime and save billions with just one year of hangings.

 

[Slap47]

Uh huh...

 

[The Curmudgeon]

In old times i would have seen that having a say in politics was something important but today i would gladly give up my right to vote and not have to pay taxes for life.

You and me both! There are days I wish I could stop caring about politics altogether. Same goes for taxes. I would love to not pay taxes!

It's even more pathetic when these heart-bleeders are also anti-cop (or at least for defunding them). These people are either ultra-naive or are crooks themselves (like that co-founder of BLM). It's a good chance that they're also anti-gun.

Agreed! They're anti-cop, anti-prison, anti-gun and other forms of self-defense. I wouldn't be surprised if they're anti-court too. In their own weird ironic way, SJWs have created their own variant of Social Darwinism. Only criminals, terrorists, and other types of bullies and thugs benefit from that system.

Not enough is made out of the rehabilitative function of prisons. The U.S. Justice system has become 100% focused on the punitive part of locking up criminals, as well as act as a federally/state subsidized business for penal corporations.

But it’s definitely true that there are plenty of prisoners who you just can’t rehabilitate and who are, for lack of a better word: Evil.

I don’t entirely disagree with you nor the good reverend. (and it’d be interesting to see recidivism rates compared across different countries.)

But for some, not for all, there’s just not that much prospect in “turning your life around”.

When everyone can see your criminal record, and it’s extremely hard to get a job with one, it’s human nature for many people to go: “Fuck it!” And embrace the scumbag lifestyle.

Not saying that there aren’t plenty of criminals who aren’t scumbags, but we could also do with some reforms of not just the penal system but also post-release system.

In principle you’re supposed to have paid your debt to society once you’re released. Practice is somewhat different.

Yes it should.

Not just because “sifting” for them means importing less workers from shithole countries, who bring in their whole families and are overall a massive drain on the system.

But also because the criminal Justice system is so goddamn expensive.

Courts and prisons are a huge goddamn expense, we could save money by cutting every criminal a monthly check in return for them smoking weed and not getting locked up, rather than spend hundreds of thousands of dollars every year for every person locked up.

You make good points, @Fapcop. It would be great if most criminals really could turn their lives around. It would also be great if we didn't have certain activists making excuses and double standards for those criminals. I'm cool with the idea of sifting though, since it's like you guys said there are a few genuinely repentent criminals. There are also those who are falsely accused that unfortunately get mixed in with the bad guys.

Believe me, you work in the life enough and you'll see all kinds of stories. From those who had no real chance to those who really just had a bad day.

You'd be surprised how many alternatives to jail there are and how much prosecutors will try to put people in those than bars. (Heck here locally we have a small controversy right now over TOO many people in HIP.) I always support more alternatives being tried and experimented with. I also recommend the CS Lewis essay "on the humanitarian theory of punishment."

But there are some folks who are just bad and won't be changed without something drastic.

My only hope would be that these prison alternatives are effective. But I agree, there are people who either require drastic measures to change or they can't be changed at all.

Then the smiles turn to frowns when I reveal the other side of the equation - that the response to our system of overcrowded 'warehouse' system is more executions. Sorry, not sorry, but 20-something dropouts with multiple violent crimes need to be permanently removed via rope. Heck, we could knock out 50% of violent crime and save billions with just one year of hangings.

Yep. I feel the same way. There are people who are so inhumanly evil that they shouldn't even be alive anymore. There should NOT be second chances for those types. Whether they're in or out of prison, they are a waste of life and a drain on society.

 

[Hummingbird]

Agreed! They're anti-cop, anti-prison, anti-gun and other forms of self-defense. I wouldn't be surprised if they're anti-court too. In their own weird ironic way, SJWs have created their own variant of Social Darwinism. Only criminals, terrorists, and other types of bullies and thugs benefit from that system.

Last time I checked, that BLM co-founder (forgot her name) is also anti-court and anti-security cameras. Good point on their own dystopian Social Darwinism.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Last time I checked, that BLM co-founder (forgot her name) is also anti-court and anti-security cameras.

That's horrifying. It's so awful that it actually makes me feel dead inside. To think there are mainstream politicians, celebrities, activists, and corporations who endorse this.

Good point on their own dystopian Social Darwinism.

Likewise, good point on describing it as dystopian. That's what it is! It's law of the jungle, lex talonis, and mob rule all rolled into one. They really can't see the forest for the trees. Supporting this is so ironically dystopian that I wonder how they can claim it as progress.

 

[Hummingbird]

Likewise, good point on describing it as dystopian. That's what it is! It's law of the jungle, lex talonis, and mob rule all rolled into one. They really can't see the forest for the trees. Supporting this is so ironically dystopian that I wonder how they can claim it as progress.

Because they have a unicorns and rainbows mentality that everything will be fine if we let unarmed social workers handle a hostile, violent situation, because they can handle it without guns. Heck, there was an article about how just because there are no cops in Steven Universe and the She-Ra reboot, we don't need them either. The ones that aren't con-artists are naive idiots who think the mentioned social workers should only chase criminals in helicopters so they don't cause traffic problems. (Interestingly, one could put the fools and con-artists categories in with socialism as well.)

 

[gmax alcremie]

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*sounds of another inner city CVS closing down*

This is so fucking retarded.

If I see someone flying a sign outside a store with a variation of "I'm hungry" I'll ask em what they want. A grand total of ONE guy had a specific item in mind, he wanted milk&cereal and when I came back with it he went off to go eat, not sit out wanting more. Everyone else just kinda gives a blank look like they don't know what the fuck is even written on the sign. And I'm sure I'm not the only person who asks, there's a lot of us bleeding heart types that are happy to buy someone a meal.

Plus add in food stamps, food bank, church diners... People stealing "necessities" are getting steaks, razors, formula, laundry detergent to RESELL. No one is lifting out of any need other than the need to get high. Otherwise they'd just get a small pack til they could hit up a charity, not the biggest one they think they could get away with.

 

[Positron]

(Why yes I do notice that [Lewis's description of the hardened criminal] seems to describe a lot of politicians.)

These are also the traits you see in the upwardly-mobile urban adult, and as such these are societally rewarded.

I get a lot of support from SJ types when I tell them that we shouldn't hold criminal pasts against people, that we need to help convicts get jobs and stabilize their lives after their release, etc. If you steal some cars, do your time and go straight, become a mechanic or something.

How about someone who wore blackface in his highschool Halloween party, got disciplined, repented, and now spends his weekends volunteering to teach black kids math? Will the same SJ types forgive him?