General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

She does seem a little more touchy than usual:

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It gets even better...

 

[Rezza]

I blame vshojo and indies that get uber good models for spreading this misconception that the key to success is a good model and nothing else, new indies just see these big people that they have to compete with get these insane and expensive models and they just think "damn, i have to get a model just as good to even stand a chance!", also a lot of vtuber normalfags are literally just drugged up on coomer shit and think that the only appeal is big bouncing titties.

On the contrary, indies having good models (on top of being entertaining, of course) do have an impact in being successful. They don't have any brand or marketing power that the corpo have, so they have no choice but to compete in the model's quality. Of course, the problem started when people begin to think that good models are the only thing that matters, and not in the entertainment value of your character/streams/content

 

[reinigen]

I blame vshojo and indies that get uber good models for spreading this misconception that the key to success is a good model and nothing else, new indies just see these big people that they have to compete with get these insane and expensive models and they just think "damn, i have to get a model just as good to even stand a chance!", also a lot of vtuber normalfags are literally just drugged up on coomer shit and think that the only appeal is big bouncing titties.

Truth. I swear to god no one remembers Mousey's first model.

Edit:

I mean, you have people like Artemis who basically got carried by their models.
So yeah, there is some truth in good models being the key to success.

Artemis also provides a case study that while a model can get you big numbers and carry you initially, you need to be a good entertainer to not only maintain, but build an audience and community. Over the last year, Artemis has been bleeding average viewer numbers.

artemisoftheblue - statistics and analytics over the past 365 days - SullyGnome

Twitch stats for artemisoftheblue. Stream summary, max viewers, average viewers and follower growth information. over the past 365 days

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[RiverBear]

I blame vshojo and indies that get uber good models for spreading this misconception that the key to success is a good model and nothing else, new indies just see these big people that they have to compete with get these insane and expensive models and they just think "damn, i have to get a model just as good to even stand a chance!", also a lot of vtuber normalfags are literally just drugged up on coomer shit and think that the only appeal is big bouncing titties.

I mean, you have people like Artemis who basically got carried by their models.
So yeah, there is some truth in good models being the key to success.

 

[Slutpuppies]

Its not a fetish of mine but hearing the person puke makes the moment more real. That clip of Hachama puking is great just because of how real it feels.


Yup. Thats why I dont bother clicking or watching those.


Why even bother replying? For fucks sake Keeki. Mute and ignore.



I don't know how I feel about this. I think PNG-tubing is the way to go for most atleast to create content. Few people have asked me when im going to debut and whatnot and I have been pushing it back quite a bit. First to learn about video editing and how Youtube works and also to start growing an audience so that I don't have to start from 0. Unless you get really lucky or if you have a company to back you up, you won't be streaming to more than 3 people. Girl I know tried once and didn't really like the character or the audience she was creating content for and after about 100 subs she decided to start again. The problem is she wants to "redebut" but currently has no content out. Told her to make anything and atleast create something because if not she will be streaming again to a total audience of 2 people and it will take her a year to hit the 100 sub mark.

On the flipside you dont really need that many subs to get into a corpo if your content is good. Past Life Mika from NijiID had about 290 subs. There are many other <5,000 sub people that get picked up by corpos.


That is always a great irony about it. Also like every internet content creator is a socialist until they have to pay taxes and they find any and every way to avoid paying them.

If I was going to start vtubing over again from scratch, I probably would have gotten a PNG first and worked with it for a while. If you get a nice enough artist for it, you get all the charm of a great looking avatar without the extra cash and effort while building up an audience. A lot people don't realize that most of the successful people that end up getting super nice models get it as an upgrade after building an audience.

That being said, starting from 0 isn't the worst, especially if you aren't a natural-born entertainer. Streaming for a while takes stamina, as does bantering with a chat that doesn't exist. That stuff can be learned with effort.

 

[Just a Basic Plebian]

I find it hilarious that Bluesogaki keeps on dying in Penguin's MC stream lmao she has at least died 3 times within a minute or so

 

[masterstocking]

It gets even better...
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According to that person's opinion, Keeki hasn't been 'touchy' enough, lol



Gotta find some way of getting that frustration out, cake princess

Over the last year, Artemis has been bleeding average viewer numbers.

Huh. Today I learned that Artemis is still alive...

 

[Retink]

/glomps u!!!

XD

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Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

Say it fast: "Eye Juice Lust Thug Aim."

I don't know how I feel about this. I think PNG-tubing is the way to go for most atleast to create content. Few people have asked me when im going to debut and whatnot and I have been pushing it back quite a bit. First to learn about video editing and how Youtube works and also to start growing an audience so that I don't have to start from 0.

Just start making content, you'll probably suck and have that nervous quiet mumble that everyone does when they're first starting out. The other thing you have to remember is you're not just in the business of content creation, you're in the business of marketing and you will need to find places to self promote to gain that initial audience because no website is going to promote your shit when you have 0 views and even when you do get traction the spikes will happen on old videos in catalogue randomly and not necessarily new uploads.

Oh, and don't be afraid to reach out to more popular people, you'll be surprised how many people in your niche are just cool with working with you even if you're not a known entity. Sure, you won't get a reply from the person with thousands of viewers, but some random industry person with a channel like Designer Dave will usually be cool with it and others who may get thousands of views on videos but don't really stream will also usually be happy to pop on if you pitch them an idea.

Edit: And every creator will know this, but the video you work on super hard will get no views, but the random throw away video you make that you think is trash will blow up.

 

[GlobohomoSapiens]

According to that person's opinion, Keeki hasn't been 'touchy' enough, lol

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Gotta find some way of getting that frustration out, cake princess

She did seem happier and less volatile with having Reine or EN around her. Given her past struggles, having a birdfriend or an EN living with her wouldn't be the worst thing. Who knows if it's being alone, or something else making her prone to raging on Twatter at drive-bys lately.

 

[Gavlet Gablae]

I watched the 4th Anniversary Azur Lane stream for NA and one of the main splash arts for the event was drawn by Ina/Nagu, and there's a new skin for one of her characters in an upcoming event.
She's kept busy while being unable to smoothly stream.

 

[Not A Vampire]

That being said, starting from 0 isn't the worst, especially if you aren't a natural-born entertainer. Streaming for a while takes stamina, as does bantering with a chat that doesn't exist. That stuff can be learned with effort.

Just start making content, you'll probably suck and have that nervous quiet mumble that everyone does when they're first starting out. The other thing you have to remember is you're not just in the business of content creation, you're in the business of marketing and you will need to find places to self promote to gain that initial audience because no website is going to promote your shit when you have 0 views and even when you do get traction the spikes will happen on old videos in catalogue randomly and not necessarily new uploads.

Oh, and don't be afraid to reach out to more popular people, you'll be surprised how many people in your niche are just cool with working with you even if you're not a known entity. Sure, you won't get a reply from the person with thousands of viewers, but some random industry person with a channel like Designer Dave will usually be cool with it and others who may get thousands of views on videos but don't really stream will also usually be happy to pop on if you pitch them an idea.

As long as you're consistent with your content, it will work out in the end. If Tokino Sora can start with 13 viewers, then any random person can be an indie with 5 viewers at the start and grow to 200 viewers with a healthy work ethic.

It's not like it will be the worst thing to happen either if you start off with a model you initially like but then hate and decide to change halfway through your career, when you have Yuni when she would use different models or Snuffy who started off with a model that did not match her at all.

 

[TiredCatto]

Dude vtweeter is filled with a bunch of kids who never touch grass, and close enough to have a beggar mentality in like Mr. Beast video who beg money to have a good rig in order to stream. + making such a made-up term so they can feel special or feel included in what so-called group.

saw this clip, and was thinking the whole gimmick of vtuber you playing a character not focusing on "look how good i am on irl".
also what the hell is fleshtuber, what's wrong with png-tuber if they at least stream and put more effort? that being said i agree with Yabbit and now I look like an old man yelling at cloud. continue your discussion lads

 

[Azchan]

I blame vshojo and indies that get a constant stream of uber good models for spreading this misconception that the key to success is a good model and nothing else, new indies just see these big people that they have to compete with get these insane and expensive models and they just think "damn, i have to get a model just as good to even stand a chance!", also a lot of vtuber normalfags are literally just drugged up on coomer shit and think that the only appeal is big bouncing titties.

Mandatory "the model matters too guys sorry for being so hyperbolic hurr hurr"

Spoiler: Extra sperging

Actually this ties in with a long term issue i have had with the perception of vtubing that a lot of people have nowadays, and it's not fair to call them "normalfags" because they are in every fanbase and i think this way of thinking is very prevalent.
It is the perception that many people have that the only thing that makes a vtuber what they are is the model, that nothing else matters, and honestly that's hard to deny, if it's not the model then what is it?
But i have always been of the opinion that there must be more to it, if not then you would be telling me it's just a dumb fucking gimmick.
A lot of people compare vtubing to wrestling and i think that is a fair assessment. But wrestling isn't just about the costumes, it's about the persona, the kayfabe, the storylines and pretending to be something you aren't, that is the heart and soul of both vtubing and wrestling alike, just like wrestling isn't only buff dudes smacking eachother, vtubing isn't just
"streamers with live2d models".
These fags on twitter don't understand that, they think it's just a dumb gimmick. "If I get the model i can be just as successful as the holos and nijis", "they are just lucky while i am not". This fucking flawed, retarded way of thinking is what makes all of these people not get what it really is, and it has permeated this community ever since the boom and it pisses me the fuck off.
The model is just a mask, the character is what you make it to be, and that is important. You are important, your personality, interactions and experience, not the model, i hope this industry never gets reduced to that shallow interpretation of what it means to be a vtuber and what it takes to be fucking great at it.

On the contrary, indies having good models (on top of being entertaining, of course) do have an impact in being successful. They don't have any brand or marketing power that the corpo have, so they have no choice but to compete in the model's quality. Of course, the problem started when people begin to think that good models are the only thing that matters, and not in the entertainment value of your character/streams/content

Truth. I swear to god no one remembers Mousey's first model.

Edit:

Artemis also provides a case study that while a model can get you big numbers and carry you initially, you need to be a good entertainer to not only maintain, but build an audience and community. Over the last year, Artemis has been bleeding average viewer numbers.
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artemisoftheblue - statistics and analytics over the past 365 days - SullyGnome

Twitch stats for artemisoftheblue. Stream summary, max viewers, average viewers and follower growth information. over the past 365 days

sullygnome.com

Artemis is a great example of the $10,000 model thing. While back then his model didn't cost as much, the medium has been growing and demand is higher prices go up so I would equate his model to be in that price range if we use today's standards. The fact that he got as many subs as he did initially is a massive point against the "just stream whatever bro and git gud" mentality. He had a head start in subs and his model being as good as it was helped get people get through the door. He basically bruteforced his way through the marketing barrier and the content barrier.


As for mouse. I remember that model from the Domoarigathanks interview about 3 years ago.

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Axel doing superchat reading and he's actually reading the messages. He didn't get as many as Vesper did so he can take the time to read and reply to each and every one of them out. This will only help encourage people to donate more. As a sort of zatsudan, its not bad.

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Edit: And every creator will know this, but the video you work on super hard will get no views, but the random throw away video you make that you think is trash will blow up.

I feel that sometimes. Shitposting and clickbaiting has gotten me about 4/5 of my top spots. That said my highest viewed video is still my favorite and its the one I spent the most time on (in part because I didnt know how to even use the editing software). Also one of my first videos (with Tenma) got me to win one of the Phase Connect contest prizes but that was more because of me doing a bit of thinking outside of the box and going for a category that had nearly no videos in it.

 

[Retink]

As long as you're consistent with your content, it will work out in the end. If Tokino Sora can start with 13 viewers, then any random person can be an indie with 5 viewers at the start and grow to 200 viewers with a healthy work ethic.

It's not like it will be the worst thing to happen either if you start off with a model you initially like but then hate and decide to change halfway through your career, when you have Yuni when she would use different models or Snuffy who started off with a model that did not match her at all.

You don't even have to be that consistent, just make sure people know you're planning to do more and not just a random one off. Though streaming does require more consistency than just making videos and is far more work than other forms of content generation.

Pippa also changes up her model often for various themed streams. It's still the same base idea but she will play around with it and I think there's a goth Pippa in the works that she's hinted at and used parts of as well.

It's also funny because with how many vtuber aspirants are on here Null could be his own Sakana with a Kiwi Krew of autists doing streams.

 

[Takodachi]

It gets even better...
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She has to be kidding, right? There is no way not-kiara would keep making the same mistake over and over again, right?

 

[EliteDoragon]

Sora is watching the mumers

 

[Slutpuppies]

My kami oshi is having a normal baseball watch-along... also damn, Kazuha team is really going crazy right now. Almost makes me want to understand the sport.

 

[Mike27]

She has to be kidding, right? There is no way not-kiara would keep making the same mistake over and over again, right?

You overestimate the chicken brain

 

[EenGevolg]

Not sure if mercy rule kicked in (that's a thing in baseball, right?), but Kuzuha completely wipes out Ibrahim 16-0 after 7 innings, it's probably safe to say that Ibrahim's not making it to the finals. Nui vs. Shiina coming up next.

 

[Retink]

I feel that sometimes. Shitposting and clickbaiting has gotten me about 4/5 of my top spots. That said my highest viewed video is still my favorite and its the one I spent the most time on (in part because I didnt know how to even use the editing software). Also one of my first videos (with Tenma) got me to win one of the Phase Connect contest prizes but that was more because of me doing a bit of thinking outside of the box and going for a category that had nearly no videos in it.

@Azchan
I don't think my best performing one is one I worked super hard on, but it's one I thought would be good. Though I've had far more that I didn't want to put out and they did rather well while a lot of the ones I was excited for flopped. I think it's partially because sometimes the work goes into things people don't notice, but also because the ones that are the most fun to work on tend to be more outside the norm which core audiences might not be into.

I do like your clipping content so when you decide to finally make a persona it will be cool to see.