YABookgate

[Flexo]

Except blind auditions for musicians are racist too

Oh yeah, i remember seeing that too.

 

[Trianon]

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Dunno if this was posted earlier, but damn. That’s depressing.

Joyce posts one correct, non-insane thing and gets ratio'd. The state of it all. This is what did it and not her "gotta hand it to ISIS" tweet, or her "Mississippians can't read" tweet, or her rape book about Marilyn Monroe, or-

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

This is what my brain thinks a YA author looks like. I'm glad GoodReads is confirming my solipsism with an actual example.
For all I know I'd actually like the books she writes, but I kinda doubt it.

Sorry, I'm bored and this amused me when I stumbled across it.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

This is what my brain thinks a YA author looks like. I'm glad GoodReads is confirming my solipsism with an actual example.
View attachment 3596420View attachment 3596434For all I know I'd actually like the books she writes, but I kinda doubt it.

Sorry, I'm bored and this amused me when I stumbled across it.

That's a face the screams "insufferable and peaked in high school". Those sanpaku eyes tell you all you need to know.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

This is what my brain thinks a YA author looks like. I'm glad GoodReads is confirming my solipsism with an actual example.
View attachment 3596420View attachment 3596434For all I know I'd actually like the books she writes, but I kinda doubt it.

Sorry, I'm bored and this amused me when I stumbled across it.

I'll be damned. Turns out she was cancelled so hard she's been off Twitter for over a year now. If I knew about this, I'd long forgotten it. Maybe I did read about it, here or elsewhere, but these people are as fungible as lima beans so one cancellation is much like another. The mean girl schtick apparently blew up in her face. (The fact that they NEVER think it can happen to them is one of the oddest bits of magical thinking I think I've ever encountered. Since it does in fact happen so often.)

https://twitter.com/glitzandshadows/status/1379554408120336384

emily a. duncan on Twitter: "text included in next tweets https://t.c…

archived 13 Aug 2022 19:59:26 UTC

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"I'm totally not cancelling her guys,..." in blog form:

WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH… EMILY A. DUNCAN?​

What’s the Deal With… Emily A. Duncan? – bec&books

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I am curious if her agent dropped her. That would be the cherry on the sundae. Too bad I'm not sure how to proceed on that front. Her twitter does list an agent, but that may or may not mean much.

edit: The agent has apparently deleted her Twitter for some reason. -- https://twitter.com/AgentThao -- (They're allowed to do that?) But is still employed by the same agency she has been employed at since 2011.

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency - The West Coast's Premier Agency for Authors

www.dijkstraagency.com

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency

archived 13 Aug 2022 20:24:51 UTC

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Okay, I'll shut up now.

 

[Cobalt-60]

It's so funny seeing people call her "they" when Emily Duncan is expressing Mean Girls behavior the way that only girls (and women who wish to relive their middle/high school life) do.

A literary agent deleting her Twitter account seems like a big deal, considering how dependent the book publishing scene is with Twitter.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

I think my two favorite things about that blog are:

1. Emily just straight up saying that she doesn't have a teenage audience and the blog's author being in denial about the fact that "YA" now means "bored wine moms and arrested-development millennial mean girls" instead of "young adults", because most teenagers either don't read at all or don't care for the pablum that the industry is trying to force down their throats.

2. The author laying out all of Emily's thoughtcrimes to an audience that she knows is ready and willing to cancel people for any reason and then adding that little disclaimer about "oh, but I'm totally not telling you to cancel her, I'm just detailing all her horrible offenses against XYZ, what you do with this is up to you." It's like someone pouring chum into the water around a diver and then acting surprised when the sharks eat the poor bastard, because, hey, they didn't mean for that to happen, they were just dumping some stuff off their boat.

 

[neverendingmidi]

It's funny how YA has devolved in quality. Tamora Pierce (a well known YA author since the 90's) talked in a panel at DragonCon about how she planned her Alanna quadrilogy (her first published work) as one big book for adults, but because it started with the main character as a child the publisher insisted that it had to be for children, and also implemented a page-count to make it "child-friendly", as before Harry Potter it was expected that no kid could read a book longer than 250 pages at most. She talked about the numerous edits and revisions she had to fight to keep her story mostly how she wanted it, if broken into four books instead of one.

Nowadays I wonder if the authors even ran spell-check on their dreck.

 

[Cryptojew]

Tamora Pierce (a well known YA author since the 90's) talked in a panel at DragonCon about how she planned her Alanna quadrilogy as one big book for adults, but because it started with the main character as a child the publisher insisted that it had to be for children, and also implemented a page-count to make it "child-friendly", as before Harry Potter it was expected that no kid could read a book longer than 250 pages at most. She talked about the numerous edits and revisions she had to fight to keep her story mostly how she wanted it, if broken into four books instead of one.

Serious question, why are publishers like this? I get that they want the book sell, but this sounds a lot like shoving a square peg in a round hole for the sake of marketability

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I saw this one and thought it sounded interesting because I like stuff about languages, but after reading some reviews, it seems to mostly focus on how white colonialism is bad!!!!

The reviews for Y*LLOWFACE, (RFK's "I am super famous and cosseted like a princess by my publishers but I must find something to cry about" literary book) has started to garner reviews on Goodreads. To nobody's surprise it's coming off as shitty self-insert screed where the writer yells and condescends you for 300 pages

Joyce posts one correct, non-insane thing and gets ratio'd. The state of it all. This is what did it and not her "gotta hand it to ISIS" tweet, or her "Mississippians can't read" tweet, or her rape book about Marilyn Monroe, or-

Someone decided to check the actual figures by examining recent acquisition data on Publisher's Marketplace. New, debut male authors made up less than 15% of acquisitions. (Don't ask me where I got this figure, I read it and lost the source, but yeah, it was pretty low.)

It's funny how YA has devolved in quality. Tamora Pierce (a well known YA author since the 90's) talked in a panel at DragonCon about how she planned her Alanna quadrilogy (her first published work) as one big book for adults, but because it started with the main character as a child the publisher insisted that it had to be for children, and also implemented a page-count to make it "child-friendly", as before Harry Potter it was expected that no kid could read a book longer than 250 pages at most. She talked about the numerous edits and revisions she had to fight to keep her story mostly how she wanted it, if broken into four books instead of one.

Nowadays I wonder if the authors even ran spell-check on their dreck.

In my mid-list/shit-list author experience you'd have a cursory structural edit (AKA - a terse 3 page email) by the overworked editor and maybe a couple of spellcheck passes. I found that the manuscript was out of my hands after the first copyedit stage, and some copy editors LOVE getting drunk as fuck and putting spelling mistakes and shit back in before it goes to print

Then everyone thinks its you, the author.

Serious question, why are publishers like this? I get that they want the book sell, but this sounds a lot like shoving a square peg in a round hole for the sake of marketability

So, time for spergery.

There wasn't really a "YA" genre before Harry Potter. In the times of yore, kids who were *readers* gravitated towards genres like Fantasy or Romance, both known for fairly accessible writing. The rise of digital books also did a lot to blur the boundaries.

I remember prior to the 1990s there was an"Adult" section and "Under 12 but really 8-11" in the libraries and that was about it. (The 8-12 is now considered Middle Grade). There was almost ZERO sex and deviancy in the kids books, which is what made authors like Judy Blume (AKA Are You There God, It's Me Margaret) so popular among 12 year old girls.

If she had published now Tamora Pierce would have been put in to YA, but there was nowhere to market this kind of transitional book of advanced writing that contains a young protagonist prior to the 2000's. A feature of traditional publishing and book distribution means that bookshops and libraries had very firm categories as to which books they purchase. Anything that fell outside of these strict categories literally had nowhere to go and would not be seen by potential readers. The book buyers for bookshops/department stores etc wouldn't take the title. (I'm going to digress and say these buyers can sometimes be ONE PERSON who oversees an entire bookshop franchise's stock - allegedly the reason there were so many "white girls in dresses" books published in a particular era was because this one lady book buyer LOVED dresses and would prioritise these titles. So every publisher would - you guess it - put a dress on the cover.)

At the time it might not have been a "readers don't like it" but "Bitchy McBitchface at the B&N purchasing office doesn't like it"

It's been mentioned earlier in this thread, but since the rise of social media in the 2000s, the biggest pushers and marketers of books are now book bloggers. Potential readers no longer see books on a shelf, they will first see them in a Insta or Blogger post. These bloggers are usually young tech savvy women with a lot of time on their hands, (ie: sjw/no kids) so you can kind of guess what kind of book becomes prioritised by publishers.

Introducing YA into "children's publishing" has caused a lot of the drama that we are seeing from both the left and the right. The little elementary and middle school school library that once acquired "Millie Rides A Dragon" type books now has to contend with "Roger's First Anal Sex" young-adult-categorized fare being pushed upon them. The hapless school board who turns down "Felching With Friends" or at least advocates for a warning sticker on the "Goatse For Beginners" YA title will get zerg-rushed by every grooming deviant in the state for DOING CENSORSHIP.

 

[Trianon]

Emily's canceling really fucking sucked because everyone involved in it was worse. I can't explain it, but you could see the demons pouring out of their eyes, and the thoughtcrimes were a streeeeetch. The way people described the alleged problematic elements of the books was unrecognizable to me, a person who can read. It was almost entirely frenzied jealousy, whether you think she/her books were worth being jealous of or not. It's almost a natural culling in an oversaturated market. Truly cured me of all interest in YA.

As far as I remember, there wasn't an official announcement that her agent dropped her, but the agent did "apologize" over it. She's Asian and Emily was accused of being mean to Asians (no), so there was a demand for some sort of comment. Then the agent locked down/logged off, as did the author.

 

[Rezza]

So today I went with my family for some family time on an upscale mall that has an import bookstore, where they're selling books in english for the rich/expats clientele. I'm surprised it's actually getting bigger than when I last went there

I didn't take a picture since it's a big PL, but I'm surprised with how many US release manga they're selling, there's an entire shelf for them. There's also another shelf for English-translated Chinese novels, the type that is currently very popular in webnovels sites. There are other YA novels as well, but I forget what they are, but I think none of them are the exceptionally woke type dregs. The only one I clearly remembered was the one with Wu Zetian as a mech pilot, and I only remembered that because it has mecha.

 

[Fortunato Brown]

So today I went with my family for some family time on an upscale mall that has an import bookstore, where they're selling books in english for the rich/expats clientele. I'm surprised it's actually getting bigger than when I last went there

I didn't take a picture since it's a big PL, but I'm surprised with how many US release manga they're selling, there's an entire shelf for them. There's also another shelf for English-translated Chinese novels, the type that is currently very popular in webnovels sites. There are other YA novels as well, but I forget what they are, but I think none of them are the exceptionally woke type dregs. The only one I clearly remembered was the one with Wu Zetian as a mech pilot, and I only remembered that because it has mecha.

Yeah I'm not sure what to make of the rise of the light novel (both Japanese and Chinese). I know people who only read light novels but I'm not complaining because otherwise they wouldn't read. I haven't read any of them so I can't really speak to their literary quality but the few I'm skimmed through seems about on par with the YA genre. I'm not sure what really makes something a "light novel" versus a normal novel and if it's just that it's written by Asians and has anime art on the cover. I imagine as kids who grew up only reading light novels get older and want to write them, they'll have to distinguish what the difference is.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

Yeah I'm not sure what to make of the rise of the light novel (both Japanese and Chinese). I know people who only read light novels but I'm not complaining because otherwise they wouldn't read. I haven't read any of them so I can't really speak to their literary quality but the few I'm skimmed through seems about on par with the YA genre. I'm not sure what really makes something a "light novel" versus a normal novel and if it's just that it's written by Asians and has anime art on the cover. I imagine as kids who grew up only reading light novels get older and want to write them, they'll have to distinguish what the difference is.

That's basically it, yeah: they're just short (~50,000 words) novels with manga illustrations added. They descended from Japanese pulp magazines that would print illustrations for their ongoing stories, which ultimately evolved into the concept of the light novel as we know it today. Some light novels are still serialized in magazines before they get collected and published. They're meant to be cheap, easy reads that don't take up a lot of space on a bookshelf and can be churned out quickly; there was one author wrote a new light novel every month for two years. Literary quality isn't exactly a priority; they just want fun, disposable stories for their teenaged audience.

 

[Fortunato Brown]

That's basically it, yeah: they're just short (~50,000 words) novels with manga illustrations added. They descended from Japanese pulp magazines that would print illustrations for their ongoing stories, which ultimately evolved into the concept of the light novel as we know it today. Some light novels are still serialized in magazines before they get collected and published. They're meant to be cheap, easy reads that don't take up a lot of space on a bookshelf and can be churned out quickly; there was one author wrote a new light novel every month for two years. Literary quality isn't exactly a priority; they just want fun, disposable stories for their teenaged audience.

Alright well, that's cool then. If it's just the pulp novels but for Zoomers, I'm perfectly content with that. Tons of great writers started off reading pulp novels. Maybe some of the great writers of the coming decades will have been a voracious light novel reader. I'm supportive of anything that gets people to read more. I guess with YA taken over by women's fiction, it makes sense boys who do read would go towards light novels that are about fun adventures in strange worlds without much modern politics. I'm sure girls read them too but just thinking out loud here.

 

[Kiwisee]

I'll be damned. Turns out she was cancelled so hard she's been off Twitter for over a year now. If I knew about this, I'd long forgotten it. Maybe I did read about it, here or elsewhere, but these people are as fungible as lima beans so one cancellation is much like another. The mean girl schtick apparently blew up in her face. (The fact that they NEVER think it can happen to them is one of the oddest bits of magical thinking I think I've ever encountered. Since it does in fact happen so often.)

https://twitter.com/glitzandshadows/status/1379554408120336384

emily a. duncan on Twitter: "text included in next tweets https://t.c…

archived 13 Aug 2022 19:59:26 UTC

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"I'm totally not cancelling her guys,..." in blog form:

WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH… EMILY A. DUNCAN?​

What’s the Deal With… Emily A. Duncan? – bec&books

archived 13 Aug 2022 20:04:16 UTC

archive.ph

I am curious if her agent dropped her. That would be the cherry on the sundae. Too bad I'm not sure how to proceed on that front. Her twitter does list an agent, but that may or may not mean much.

edit: The agent has apparently deleted her Twitter for some reason. -- https://twitter.com/AgentThao -- (They're allowed to do that?) But is still employed by the same agency she has been employed at since 2011.

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency - The West Coast's Premier Agency for Authors

www.dijkstraagency.com

Sandra Dijkstra Literary Agency

archived 13 Aug 2022 20:24:51 UTC

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Okay, I'll shut up now.

This stood out to me

Rin seems like an interesting candidate for a thread here.

 

[Atatata]

that don't take up a lot of space on a bookshelf

Eh, I wouldn't say that. They're individually short, but they tend to have a lot of volumes per series, they stack up pretty quickly.
Mushoku Tensei, Jobless Reincarnation is a popular one at around 25 volumes (not complete.)
A lot of them nowadays were originally web novels so they tend to be a bit more reckless, which can be appealing.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

This stood out to me
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Rin seems like an interesting candidate for a thread here.

IIRC Cuntpeco had nuked her twitter a while back because when i looked it up it said it didn't exist anymore. So she must've done something to piss off the wrong person which led to massive backlash and maybe even her publisher dropping her due to the crybullying hurting them. It's a case of what comes around goes around. But if someone could find any more of her socials she would make for a fantastic cow. Also her books suck and are the literary equivalent of nails on chalkboard. Ex: being her sperging out about the fucking bread economy in the 1500s in wicked as they come and the stereotypical douchebag rapist jock that leads to nowhere in the aptly named suffering who's only there for 'rape is bad mkay' message and to make the gary stu look better.

TLDR: Cuntpeco should have spent her time writing better stories instead of being a dried up bitch that no one likes.

 

[Kiwisee]

IIRC Cuntpeco had nuked her twitter a while back because when i looked it up it said it didn't exist anymore. So she must've done something to piss off the wrong person which led to massive backlash and maybe even her publisher dropping her due to the crybullying hurting them. It's a case of what comes around goes around. But if someone could find any more of her socials she would make for a fantastic cow. Also her books suck and are the literary equivalent of nails on chalkboard. Ex: being her sperging out about the fucking bread economy in the 1500s in wicked as they come and the stereotypical douchebag rapist jock that leads to nowhere in the aptly named suffering who's only there for 'rape is bad mkay' message and to make the gary stu look better.

TLDR: Cuntpeco should have spent her time writing better stories instead of being a dried up bitch that no one likes.

She still has an Instagram account open

 

[The Husbando Collector]

She still has an Instagram account open

When a lolcow closes one door, they open another. Although I'm still curious as to what she did that must've gotten her whacked by the twitter-stapo.