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The money doesn't come from solely from tournaments - it comes from sponsorships. You can get $40,000 for prize winnings in a year (all free), plus piles of cash every month from a sponsorship while streaming on twitch and youtube during your downtime - with some FGC people making $350,000 from that alone (Max, Aris) - not even "just" top level players. Xbox, Playstation, (although not Nintendo lol), Madcatz, Hitbox, Intel, AMD, SecretGear, PC parts manufacturers are all sponsors - the list is nearly endless.

Some of the players are so heavily sponsored they wear jerseys so full of logos they look like fucking racecar drivers - and companies are putting in huge sums of cash to these players (and tournaments and production companies).
 
Speaking of Max? What happened to him? I used to enjoy his content but he started to shill for these fucking companies and even support the idea of loot boxes or microtransactions in fighting games.
He became a big Capcuck shill and a sjw to keep his "career" going with Justin Wong and the other SoCal guys. Being a shitty fgc version of Pewdiepie without shilling only takes you so far.

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That inside access to those companies payed huge dividends for him and he's as squeaky clean as an influencer as you're ever going to find in the FGC (after EVO died, Mike Ross dipped, and Gooteks went redpill) puts him in a very lucrative place.
Just like all the "influencers" who attack channels like Nerdrotic and Clownfishtv hoping corporations and people like Kevin Smith, Disney, Brie Larson will hook them up with access and perks. This is very common in the mainstream comic book scene (and prowrestling because they suck Tony Khan and Triple H's dicks. Just look at JdfromNy and What Culture).

What's funny is that Mike still has a presence in the fgc. He was announced as a tournament ambassador for Granblue, whatever the fuck that means. But man, does the community fucking hate Gootecks. Like I get he was redpilled after Mike called it quits on SFV and Excellent Adventures, but I never understood why they hate Gootecks so much.
He stopped being a kiss-ass shill like Justin when Mike left the Capcom scene, and he isn't a fake sjw like Capcuck like Max and Geoff the Cuck. You're the antichrist and worse than Hitler if you're a centrist or god forbid right-wing in any pop culture scene nowadays.


I’m just real glad that Tekken contains the least drama, trannies and most normal people in the FGC. This is can be simply confirmed by visiting your local FGC fight night/tournament.
Tekken and 3d fighters usually require effort because spamming moves like DSP will only take you so far. Even when Tekken 7 tried to make it easier to learn (lol ), there's a lot of shit to learn. Trannies, normies, and sjws suck at gaming, and like I said, you don't see these people last long even in gacha games like Dislyte.

The money doesn't come from solely from tournaments - it comes from sponsorships. You can get $40,000 for prize winnings in a year (all free), plus piles of cash every month from a sponsorship while streaming on twitch and youtube during your downtime - with some FGC people making $350,000 from that alone (Max, Aris) - not even "just" top level players. Xbox, Playstation, (although not Nintendo lol), Madcatz, Hitbox, Intel, AMD, SecretGear, PC parts manufacturers are all sponsors - the list is nearly endless.

Some of the players are so heavily sponsored they wear jerseys so full of logos they look like fucking racecar drivers - and companies are putting in huge sums of cash to these players (and tournaments and production companies).

Arteezy from Dota made shit loads of money just for baby rage and being shit at Dota. The thing is you have to be consistent with your performance, be careful what you say and do (especially with woke and shill culture), and not make a big ass out of yourself. EG dropped Marn the minute he began to choke as the "Best Dudley Player" in SF4, and not everyone is going to get the Justin treatment (the guy is the most protected person in the fgc with Max). This is what people like Gllty, DSP, and Dale never understood when sponsors dropped them (at least for Gllty's case).
 
Arteezy from Dota made shit loads of money just for baby rage and being shit at Dota. The thing is you have to be consistent with your performance, be careful what you say and do (especially with woke and shill culture), and not make a big ass out of yourself. EG dropped Marn the minute he began to choke as the "Best Dudley Player" in SF4, and not everyone is going to get the Justin treatment (the guy is the most protected person in the fgc with Max). This is what people like Gllty, DSP, and Dale never understood when sponsors dropped them (at least for Gllty's case).

Do note that woke culture hasn't caught on to DOTA 2 yet, aside from a few casters getting cancelled, as most of the sucking-up to is to China. On the other hand, the lack of it, along with Valve doing the absolutely bare-minimum, makes DOTA 2 a tough sell for sponsors (which is also the case for CSGO), as most of the teams and event organizers are held up by either crypto or NFT schemes, or Saudi blood money. (ESL is now under Saudi-ownership)
 
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It's a recent thing, for me at least.

It has a lot to with a cultural shift of a bunch of broke people sweating it out in Arcades in the 90s being the FGC and then the rise of esports (and correspondingly - huge piles of esports money). Once the big sponsor money/ad money/twitch money started showing up - everyone naturally tried to be as "advertiser friendly" as possible. Tournaments suddenly became "safe spaces" - players got sponsorships with rules and guidelines attached to them, they started streaming in accordance with Youtube/Twitch guidelines, and so on. EVO went from "an event that can barely afford space to play in and hosted like 30 people" to "the largest esport event to exist" in the span of ~10 years time.

No one wants to lose out on all of that money - MaximillianDood makes $750,000/year at least (before any corporate sponsorships, of which he likely cleans up and makes even more cash and before Youtube ad rev). It's a substantial amount of money - doubly so for a group of people who grew up stealing tokens from arcades just to be able to play fighting games.
That's a damn shame because I've seen footage of the scene back in the 90s and 00s and it looks very more better and more fun to be in the old FGC compared to the current soulless, politically correct FGC.

He became a big Capcuck shill and a sjw to keep his "career" going with Justin Wong and the other SoCal guys. Being a shitty fgc version of Pewdiepie without shilling only takes you so far.


Just like all the "influencers" who attack channels like Nerdrotic and Clownfishtv hoping corporations and people like Kevin Smith, Disney, Brie Larson will hook them up with access and perks. This is very common in the mainstream comic book scene (and prowrestling because they suck Tony Khan and Triple H's dicks. Just look at JdfromNy and What Culture).


He stopped being a kiss-ass shill like Justin when Mike left the Capcom scene, and he isn't a fake sjw like Capcuck like Max and Geoff the Cuck. You're the antichrist and worse than Hitler if you're a centrist or god forbid right-wing in any pop culture scene nowadays.



Tekken and 3d fighters usually require effort because spamming moves like DSP will only take you so far. Even when Tekken 7 tried to make it easier to learn (lol ), there's a lot of shit to learn. Trannies, normies, and sjws suck at gaming, and like I said, you don't see these people last long even in gacha games like Dislyte.



Arteezy from Dota made shit loads of money just for baby rage and being shit at Dota. The thing is you have to be consistent with your performance, be careful what you say and do (especially with woke and shill culture), and not make a big ass out of yourself. EG dropped Marn the minute he began to choke as the "Best Dudley Player" in SF4, and not everyone is going to get the Justin treatment (the guy is the most protected person in the fgc with Max). This is what people like Gllty, DSP, and Dale never understood when sponsors dropped them (at least for Gllty's case).
Why did Mike leave the scene exactly? I heard it was because SFV but never got the full story.
 
Why did Mike leave the scene exactly? I heard it was because SFV but never got the full story.
He had a mental breakdown at some point after SFV. From what I remember, he basically dropped off the face of the Earth after his mom died and became a shut-in that played DOTA 2, Xrd, and did drugs all day. He did a stream around 3 years ago that was just a black screen with him answering people on why he disappeared and joking around with old friends in the chat. Since then hes been streaming on twitch and sometimes showing up for tournaments. He still deletes everything so its hard to find vods.
 
That's a damn shame because I've seen footage of the scene back in the 90s and 00s and it looks very more better and more fun to be in the old FGC compared to the current soulless, politically correct FGC.
Yeah, but it was inevitable. The Arcade scene was dying long before esports became a thing - the culture was going to shift regardless as FGs (and all games, to that end) moved to online venues.

The FGC of old was also not all sunshine and rainbows - it was extremely hood in all aspects. It wasn't uncommon for actual fights to break out over money matches and other assorted drama - which meant it was hard to get into, hard to stay into, and hard to get others into. Arcades never really made money so there were very few of them - even in big/fancy cities. On top of that - you'd need to find an arcade that had multiple fighting games, which was even rarer. The NYC scene in the late 90s/early 2000s was extremely dire.

Arcades are a bit more common now - but the "main" chains (Dave and Busters, Round1) don't really cater to the FGC or even have Fighting Games at all. Round1 will have some shitty import cabs/MAME cabs for obscure fighting games and Dave and Busters will have 1 or 2 "nostalgic" cabs (SF2, Tekken 3) and maybe a single new one (Tekken 7:DR).

Why did Mike leave the scene exactly? I heard it was because SFV but never got the full story.
I don't know if was ever expressly stated - but a lot of Pro players (and hosts, commentators, TOs, etc) had an extremely bad time with SFV and as a result found themselves in a really awkward position. They couldn't really trash Capcom super hard because Capcom was still throwing a lot of cash into the FGC through tourneys, events, and sponsorships but they also couldn't really pretend that SFV was anything other than a messy "pretend" esports game that wasn't all that fun to play or watch.

This was also during the "dark age" of Capcom fighting games. Marvel vs Capcom 3 was "OK but 11 years worth of wait?", Street Fighter x Tekken was complete dogshit, and Marvel vs Capcom : Infinite felt extremely unnecessary and like a cash grab. It was really hard to like SFV but it was even harder to like Capcom because they hadn't had an objectively good fighting game release in like 15-20 years. This animosity only extremely deepened when other Capcom studios got their shit together (Resident Evil 7/Village/Remake 2/Remake 3 and Monster Hunter - World were extremely well received) after also being dogshit for a number of years.

Street Fighter 6 needs to be extremely good or else Namco is going to become the "King of Fighting Games" after all this time.
 
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Fighting games are kinda dead in the West despite the fgc. Normies don't cares about fighting games out of Street Fighter and MK (let's be honest). The American fgc scene has always been bad.
Arcades are a bit more common now - but the "main" chains (Dave and Busters, Round1) don't really cater to the FGC or even have Fighting Games at all. Round1 will have some shitty import cabs/MAME cabs for obscure fighting games and Dave and Busters will have 1 or 2 "nostalgic" cabs (SF2, Tekken 3) and maybe a single new one (Tekken 7:biggrin:R).

This was also during the "dark age" of Capcom fighting games. Marvel vs Capcom 3 was "OK but 11 years worth of wait?", Street Fighter x Tekken was complete dogshit, and Marvel vs Capcom : Infinite felt extremely unnecessary and like a cash grab. It was really hard to like SFV but it was even harder to like Capcom because they hadn't had an objectively good fighting game release in like 15-20 years. This animosity only extremely deepened when other Capcom studios got their shit together (Resident Evil 7/Village/Remake 2/Remake 3 and Monster Hunter - World were extremely well received) after also being dogshit for a number of years.

Street Fighter 6 needs to be extremely good or else Namco is going to become the "King of Fighting Games" after all this time.
I didn't think it's even possible to get a game like Tekken 7 because it has to connect to Bamco's Japanese servers. That was the case for VF5 back when the game got updated to Final Showdown. By the way, the Re3 Remake was mostly a mixed bag because of the censored gore and woke stuff Capcom added (mostly Jill being an unlikable bitch). It didn't sell as well as RE2 from what I heard. Capcom is still a shitty company, and I got a feeling Street Fighter 6 is going to be pretty bad (wait until they announce the day-one disc-locked content, nfts, and microtransactions).
 
Fighting games are kinda dead in the West despite the fgc. Normies don't cares about fighting games out of Street Fighter and MK (let's be honest). The American fgc scene has always been bad.

I didn't think it's even possible to get a game like Tekken 7 because it has to connect to Bamco's Japanese servers. That was the case for VF5 back when the game got updated to Final Showdown. By the way, the Re3 Remake was mostly a mixed bag because of the censored gore and woke stuff Capcom added (mostly Jill being an unlikable bitch). It didn't sell as well as RE2 from what I heard. Capcom is still a shitty company, and I got a feeling Street Fighter 6 is going to be pretty bad (wait until they announce the day-one disc-locked content, nfts, and microtransactions).
Round1 is an "import" arcade and will import cabinets not released in America - so you can stumble across one there at times.

Re3 Remake was well received in my circle at least - but even if the reception was "This is OK I guess" it would make it one slight misstep in a series of good releases (RE7, RE2R, RE8/Village, then RE3R) as opposed to the complete unsalvageable pit of dogshit that has been Capcom's Fighting Game Division - since arguably 2008 (SF 4). Resident Evil would have to have nothing but terrible releases for near a decade before it could be considered "Capcom's FG Division" levels of bad.
 
Round1 is an "import" arcade and will import cabinets not released in America - so you can stumble across one there at times.

Re3 Remake was well received in my circle at least - but even if the reception was "This is OK I guess" it would make it one slight misstep in a series of good releases (RE7, RE2R, RE8/Village, then RE3R) as opposed to the complete unsalvageable pit of dogshit that has been Capcom's Fighting Game Division - since arguably 2008 (SF 4). Resident Evil would have to have nothing but terrible releases for near a decade before it could be considered "Capcom's FG Division" levels of bad.
SF4 was bad? That's the first because I hear nothing but praise whenever I hear about SF4.
 
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SF4 was bad? That's the first because I hear nothing but praise whenever I hear about SF4.
SF4 was well regarded but eventually did the Capcom shit of DLC/Season Pass/Championship-Super-Ultra editions, but I meant to highlight it as a well regarded release.

The last Well Regarded fighting game Capcom released was in 2008.
 
SF4 was well regarded but eventually did the Capcom shit of DLC/Season Pass/Championship-Super-Ultra editions, but I meant to highlight it as a well regarded release.

The last Well Regarded fighting game Capcom released was in 2008.
I thought Marvel vs Capcom 3 was pretty fun but I agree. Though I feel like Esports kinda ruined fighting games in my opinion.
 
My normie friends mostly look at DBZF or Strive, and only because of their visuals. Street Fighter is a name that they recognize, but so is Tekken, and if they look at the most recent versions of each series, they will probably see Tekken in Tekken 7, but I doubt they would see Street Fighter in SF6. I don't know what Capcom is thinking but they should stop botching the launch of their games.
I thought Marvel vs Capcom 3 was pretty fun but I agree. Though I feel like Esports kinda ruined fighting games in my opinion.
While I also had fun with it, you have to remember that the original game was pretty broken, and less than an year later they released the upgraded version. SFxT launched around this time too, Capcom was already heading into the wrong direction.
 
SF4 was bad? That's the first because I hear nothing but praise whenever I hear about SF4.
SF4, at least compared to SFV, was a somewhat competent fighter, but the cracks were starting to form. The speed was slower compared to Super Turbo and the Alpha series (hell, even 3rd strike was faster), and the whole "get a free ultra by getting your as handed to you" was a turn-off by many. Basically it was the start of Capcom casualizing their fighters.

I'll admit I had fun with Super 4 Arcade Edition when I used to run Windows and Steam, and the 3DS version has it's perks, but it's nowhere near perfect.
 
My normie friends mostly look at DBZF or Strive, and only because of their visuals. Street Fighter is a name that they recognize, but so is Tekken, and if they look at the most recent versions of each series, they will probably see Tekken in Tekken 7, but I doubt they would see Street Fighter in SF6. I don't know what Capcom is thinking but they should stop botching the launch of their games.

While I also had fun with it, you have to remember that the original game was pretty broken, and less than an year later they released the upgraded version. SFxT launched around this time too, Capcom was already heading into the wrong direction.
I think there's a much bigger stake on the line currently.

Street Fighter is the fighting game culturally. Ken, Chun, and Ryu are video game icons as well as the music, the moments - everything. When most normal people think about a "Fighting Game" they conjure up Street Fighter in their mind.

If SF6 is bad (the same way SFV was, or SFxT, or MVCI, etc) - I think they could lose that cultural touchstone and Street Fighter as a series would start to die an actual death (aka like Castlevania or Mega Man) even if the series never "really" ends.
 
Round1 is an "import" arcade and will import cabinets not released in America - so you can stumble across one there at times.

Re3 Remake was well received in my circle at least - but even if the reception was "This is OK I guess" it would make it one slight misstep in a series of good releases (RE7, RE2R, RE8/Village, then RE3R) as opposed to the complete unsalvageable pit of dogshit that has been Capcom's Fighting Game Division - since arguably 2008 (SF 4). Resident Evil would have to have nothing but terrible releases for near a decade before it could be considered "Capcom's FG Division" levels of bad.
I feel like RE3 was sort of shortchanged due to it being released with the Resident Evil asymmetrical multiplayer at around the same time. The biggest complaint I heard was that it was too short. I don't think the multiplayer game, Resident Evil: Resistance, took off much either. My friend was very excited about it but moved on to something else very quickly. I was busy with something else at the time so I never got it. The most recent Capcom game I got was the Capcom Fighting Collection import. I'm very much a casual scrub at fighting games, but I still enjoy the old ones and some of the new ones.
 
I feel like RE3 was sort of shortchanged due to it being released with the Resident Evil asymmetrical multiplayer at around the same time. The biggest complaint I heard was that it was too short. I don't think the multiplayer game, Resident Evil: Resistance, took off much either. My friend was very excited about it but moved on to something else very quickly. I was busy with something else at the time so I never got it. The most recent Capcom game I got was the Capcom Fighting Collection import. I'm very much a casual scrub at fighting games, but I still enjoy the old ones and some of the new ones.
I also think RE3 suffers from not being RE2 and not being RE4 in terms of "new hotness". The fact that it reused some of the RE2 areas/enemies made it feel a bit flat - even when it came out normally.

I'm not the biggest RE fan in the world, but I vividly remember RE1/2/4 and 5 and for me 3 and 6 are incredibly hazy.
 
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He had a mental breakdown at some point after SFV. From what I remember, he basically dropped off the face of the Earth after his mom died and became a shut-in that played DOTA 2, Xrd, and did drugs all day. He did a stream around 3 years ago that was just a black screen with him answering people on why he disappeared and joking around with old friends in the chat. Since then hes been streaming on twitch and sometimes showing up for tournaments. He still deletes everything so its hard to find vods.
His mom died long before he got big, so that's false.
What happened was that after hosting Capcom Pro Talk for over a year and engaging with the community despite not enjoying SF5, but still doing what he could for the FGC and more importantly for them to be able to connect to Capcom, the higher-ups at Capcom told him that they were cancelling Capcom Pro Talk and that nothing he did mattered. He grew embittered with what the FGC, the Capcom side in particular, had become and disengaged heavily from everything. He is now doing better. But don't expect him to shill Capcom anytime soon.
 
From the big man himself during his r/Kappa Q & A
I had to leave Twitch because there was nothing left for me to do there, no room for me to grow. I grew a large FGC presence onto their platform, organized and ran mutiple events, “parties”, various FGC ideas, concepts, blah blah blah.
Weekly reports, presentations, etc.. I had proved the concept that a CPT Centered talk show, Capcom Pro Talk, was something the community needed. After doing it 2 years Capcom told me it was a waste of time as it didn’t generate them any money (their costs for this were $0). This is what led me to kill the show. I spent money out of my own pocket to bring cool s*** to y’all but they didn’t appreciate that so f*** them.
I don’t care to be a VP, CEO, w/e the f*** you wanna call yourself to make you feel important, of a company that I didn’t create. Twitch and Mike Ross have different life goals. Titles don’t mean s*** to me, they never have. To stay in a corporate environment means I’d have to s*** **** to climb. I don’t s*** ****. If you do that’s okay though, you do you.
And keep in mind, Twitch originally was a free thinking, creative environment to do cool s***. They didn’t have to answer anyone when I was there initially. Money means they are owned now. When you are owned, you have no freedom. Just an illusion of the concept.
I had to break from the “FGC” because I don’t recognize it anymore. FGC to me is different than what it is to you. Y’all didn’t show up til maybe 2017/2018. So when you ask me about the FGC were aren’t even in the same league of thought.
However, I started to feel like everyone around me was fake. If they aren’t fake, then it’s ME that is. Either way staying active wouldn’t let me see clear so sometimes you gotta take a step back and view your life externally.
Throughout this entire FGC journey I tried to maintain contact with everyone, even folks from elementary school. Thousands of people all messaging me at various times and I tried to stay on it. After a while I started questioning people’s intention around me. “Who in the FGC is really my friend? Are people only nice to me cause they think I’m something else? What if I didn’t have this job, what if I had no relevance, no fame regardless of how small it is, no EA, none of it. Then who’s there?”
I couldn’t go to an event without someone acting extra nice to me and then slipping in “aye put me on excellent adventures bro!”. Or, “hey dawg, you’re black but you haven’t helped my streams ever, you only help white people”.
I’ve had females privately record conversations with me just to share with their friends like “look who I talked to, I got him to say...”
Ultimately this s*** just started to eat at me, I figured “I can stop all this nonsense by just walking out the door. If I’m right, all these people who claim to be my friends will vanish quickly, and the real will stay”
Let me paint a clearer picture:
In 2016 I had 6,000 birthday notifications across social media platforms, email, text messages. In 2017 I had 4 people wish me happy b-day on my actual bday. My family, Hung B, and Mark Julio. That put a f*** ton into perspective for me. Everything I had thought about my perception of people was proving to be true.
I learned that I was the one that needed to change. It’s not 6,000 people fault for not messaging me, it’s my fault for presuming any of it meant a g******n thing. I could go on this for days. Let’s cut it here for now.
 
From the big man himself during his r/Kappa Q & A
I had to leave Twitch because there was nothing left for me to do there, no room for me to grow. I grew a large FGC presence onto their platform, organized and ran mutiple events, “parties”, various FGC ideas, concepts, blah blah blah.
Weekly reports, presentations, etc.. I had proved the concept that a CPT Centered talk show, Capcom Pro Talk, was something the community needed. After doing it 2 years Capcom told me it was a waste of time as it didn’t generate them any money (their costs for this were $0). This is what led me to kill the show. I spent money out of my own pocket to bring cool s*** to y’all but they didn’t appreciate that so f*** them.
I don’t care to be a VP, CEO, w/e the f*** you wanna call yourself to make you feel important, of a company that I didn’t create. Twitch and Mike Ross have different life goals. Titles don’t mean s*** to me, they never have. To stay in a corporate environment means I’d have to s*** **** to climb. I don’t s*** ****. If you do that’s okay though, you do you.
And keep in mind, Twitch originally was a free thinking, creative environment to do cool s***. They didn’t have to answer anyone when I was there initially. Money means they are owned now. When you are owned, you have no freedom. Just an illusion of the concept.
I had to break from the “FGC” because I don’t recognize it anymore. FGC to me is different than what it is to you. Y’all didn’t show up til maybe 2017/2018. So when you ask me about the FGC were aren’t even in the same league of thought.
However, I started to feel like everyone around me was fake. If they aren’t fake, then it’s ME that is. Either way staying active wouldn’t let me see clear so sometimes you gotta take a step back and view your life externally.
Throughout this entire FGC journey I tried to maintain contact with everyone, even folks from elementary school. Thousands of people all messaging me at various times and I tried to stay on it. After a while I started questioning people’s intention around me. “Who in the FGC is really my friend? Are people only nice to me cause they think I’m something else? What if I didn’t have this job, what if I had no relevance, no fame regardless of how small it is, no EA, none of it. Then who’s there?”
I couldn’t go to an event without someone acting extra nice to me and then slipping in “aye put me on excellent adventures bro!”. Or, “hey dawg, you’re black but you haven’t helped my streams ever, you only help white people”.
I’ve had females privately record conversations with me just to share with their friends like “look who I talked to, I got him to say...”
Ultimately this s*** just started to eat at me, I figured “I can stop all this nonsense by just walking out the door. If I’m right, all these people who claim to be my friends will vanish quickly, and the real will stay”
Let me paint a clearer picture:
In 2016 I had 6,000 birthday notifications across social media platforms, email, text messages. In 2017 I had 4 people wish me happy b-day on my actual bday. My family, Hung B, and Mark Julio. That put a f*** ton into perspective for me. Everything I had thought about my perception of people was proving to be true.
I learned that I was the one that needed to change. It’s not 6,000 people fault for not messaging me, it’s my fault for presuming any of it meant a g******n thing. I could go on this for days. Let’s cut it here for now.
Not gonna lie. Reading that kinda depresses me. Thank god I don't have that type of fame.
 
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