Better Call Saul

[ZeeMarin]

I wanted Giselle to pick Saul up in a convertible and go off to happy Margaritas

 

[Seventh Star]

Wow. What a miserable floppy penis of an ending. It felt rushed. It really felt like once Bob got his heart attack they had to quickly crunch the writing so the bastard wouldnt die on them mid season.

They wrote themselves into a corner with the whole prologue thing, there really was no way out. I think that a big dumb reunion between Gene and Kim would have been preferable. I don't care if it's a happy ending for someone who doesn't deserve it, it at least would have been something to remember even if it was weak. This is a big nothing.

Fuck you, Vince you asshole. It's a really fucking cheap way to get out of it. It's not a redemption for Jimmy, sure he admits it in public and he gets shafted for the next 86 years (maybe out with early behavior), but he's a prison legend, he's not spending his day worried the law is gonna catch up with him... and all this for a nod and a smoke from m'lady.

The whole throwing away his recommendation didn't even make sense. They make it sound like he was trying to save Kim from getting sued in a civil case, but how would it help, exactly?

This is exactly what I wanted to say.

Also Saul's characterization is all over the place. The dumpster thing where he loses the diamonds is ridiculous, there's no way he would be that retarded. In BB in the last scene with him, he became Jimmy again, and now he's become ruthless because he has to "get the excitement back" or something. Speaking of, what the fuck was the point of the diamonds.

He's being inept because he's having a mental breakdown.

This is just rationalizing shit writing. You can say that the one time he did that was when he went to confront Chuck about the tape, but even then it was really odd, it was just excusable because we hadn't seen much of Saul and it was an acceptable way to advance that plot. There's no way he can act like a retard this much and so many times in a row, was he having a mental breakdown when he went to cancer guy's home instead of waiting? I can expect it from Jesse, not from Saul.

 

[likeacrackado]

I liked it and I don't care what anyone thinks. Got a little worried they'd have the judge chew him out and throw the sentencing recommendation out herself. Would you be able to make a better ending? Maybe, if you rewrote most of this season. Given where the show went I was pleased with the ending.

Saul verbally fucking the Fed lawyers was my personal favorite scene.

 

[AnOminous]

Also Saul's characterization is all over the place. The dumpster thing where he loses the diamonds is ridiculous, there's no way he would be that retarded.

Really? The guy who broke his knee because he couldn't find a better way to make money than fake slip and falls, who took a shit through someone's sun roof, decided doing biz with the Salamancas was a great idea, lost his law license for breaking into his own brother's house, ripped off his own dad leading to his business failing, organized a heist of his own workplace, that Saul Goodman?

Wouldn't do something retarded? Have we been watching the same show?

 

[DogEatDogFood]

For what it's worth, Vince has implied over the years that he had no fucking clue what he was going to ultimately do final fate-wise with Kim and that it was one of those things they explicitly left open in terms of putting off until they knew for a fact that they were ending the show.

It's one of the reasons why, midway through the show when they did the season finale episode storyline where Kim got into a car wreck, that Vince balked at one of the writers wanting to make the storyline the season ending cliffhanger. IE that Kim would get in a car crash and fans would be left wondering if she would live while the show was on a break as far as milking it. Vince ordered them to film her leaving the hospital for the same episode, as Vince didn't want to dick tease fans about her being killed off and the backlash when she didn't die.

Killing Kim? Vince, Peter and the fans like the character too much. Kim goes to jail? AMC gets mad because they want to use her for a spin-off in the future. Kim has a shit life where she eventually gets wrecked by a vengeful widow? Acceptable enough for everyone: Kim simps, AMC, and Vince's moralist way of writing characters.

Bob Odenkirk doesn't want to do the Saul shit anymore, but AMC still has Gus and Rhea's actors being open about more spin-offs to keep the wheel going. I have a heavy suspicion that AMC is not going to be patient
enough to wait for Peter and Vince to end whatever other show they are doing, which is going to be a fucking trainwreck in slow motion.

 

[Seventh Star]

Really? The guy who broke his knee because he couldn't find a better way to make money than fake slip and falls, who took a shit through someone's sun roof, decided doing biz with the Salamancas was a great idea, lost his law license for breaking into his own brother's house, ripped off his own dad leading to his business failing, organized a heist of his own workplace, that Saul Goodman?

Wouldn't do something retarded? Have we been watching the same show?

The lawyer who kept Walt going, was quite careful about how he operated, and had to be reliable and smart enough to help so many dumb criminals? Not to mention that he isn't necessarily idiotic for any of these except the breaking into his own brother's house part.

Also, you ask me if I'm watching the same show? How about that the reason his dad's business failed is not Jimmy but because he's a goody two shoes idiot, which was stated a few times in the show if you were paying attention? There's even a whole flashback about that, so if you really were watching the show you probably remember it. Unless you're high on copium about BCS.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

decided doing biz with the Salamancas was a great idea,

This was coerced. Nacho effectively kidnapped him in Season Five at the curb of the sidewalk. He agrees to do what they ask, but then tries to excuse himself. Lalo simply says "you'll make time."

ripped off his own dad leading to his business failing, organized a heist of his own workplace, that Saul Goodman?

This is a key point in the show, and I think one most are not picking up. When Chuck meets with Kim, she blames him pulling money from the till as being the cause for the family store to go under. Then we get this flashback scene an episode or two later.

We learn several things from this:
- father was an idiot who was an easy mark fro grifters miles around.
- Jimmy tried to protect himself, but would not listen to reason.
- he does take money from the till, but only after trying to help his dad is proven pointless. We can extrapolate from this scene that him pulling from the till was only a small fraction of the massive shrinkage the store was experience.

Importantly, 10 dollars in early to mid 70s was almost 70 to day. So the dad was giving out that kind of money regulary, several times a week.

This scene is so important, and those who claim Chuck was right overlook it (especially now since Plan and Execution).

 

[Quamdale Dingle]

Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy was afraid of living outside of jail and decided to stay inside jail for his entire life

Kiwi farms users when the cashier tells him thank you for coming (is it a jewish trick?!)

Yeah there are so many people trying to connect random political agenda they hate to this show such as "Kim deserved much harsher punishment but feminists had changed it! Unvrabo Vince"
Basically "I didn't like this thing so it must be made by the jews"

 

[Seventh Star]

This scene is so important, and those who claim Chuck was right (especially now since Plan and Execution overlook it.

I feel they retconned Jimmy being a piece of shit into the show, especially in the prologue, to retroactively prove Chuck was right about him, because the change into him being an asshat to a cancer patient and to an old lady is a bit too hard to believe when he disagreed with Brock's poisoning. Up until Kim leaving it felt they didn't know what to do with him but it was still largely in character. Jimmy was ultimately someone with a good heart if horrible methods. The "we now made him Jimmy again" feels out of place and tacked on, so it feels like the show is just jerking you around with how you should feel about the character.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I can't wait for the spinoff show where the 43 year old 20 something Jesse spends 6 seasons doing wacky criminal hijinks in Alaska before returning to New Mexico to do 143 years in prison because some woman he had relations with was disappointed in him

LETS GOOOO

"Even though he now had a chance at living anonymously and leave his past behind, it proved to be too hard. In the end, Jesse Pinkman couldn't keep away from his life's passion: cooking! Come and watch Jesse navigate the underbelly of the Alaskan Salmon trade in "The Pink Shack", coming this autumn on AMC Thursdays, 9PM CT*

See his transformation from a cook to a chef.


(*has already been renewed for three more seasons)."

 

[AnOminous]

Also, you ask me if I'm watching the same show? How about that the reason his dad's business failed is not Jimmy but because he's a goody two shoes idiot, which was stated a few times in the show if you were paying attention?

Jimmy's genius solution to his dad being a goody two shoes was to start stealing from him himself and wrecking the family business.

Am I the only one who thinks Jimmy was afraid of living outside of jail and decided to stay inside jail for his entire life

He gets to spend the rest of his life in the one place where he'd be universally admired.

 

[Gangster Talk]

This scene is so important, and those who claim Chuck was right overlook it (especially now since Plan and Execution).

This is the same kind of absolute that I think misses the point. There usually isn't just one thing that leads to a business going under, Chuck resented Jimmy because he was stealing from the till of the family business, even if he was already running it poorly it's an understandable point of resentment because it sure as shit didn't help. Jimmy's cynicism developed because his father was such a rube, which is also understandable, but it just explains why he became a shithead fine with manipulating people. Most shitty people have a reason for being shitty, both Chuck and Jimmy are flawed but not totally off base. Season 2 is important imo because Jimmy had a very good gig if he could have just played by the rules but even with Chuck out of his life he just couldn't, so Chuck was at least sort of onto something in suggesting that he had a fundamentally flawed character that would have been dangerous in the law.

I think Jimmy shined most when was doing advertising shoots, he tapped into a creative spark that the sperg law firm shot down and had a way he could more or less safely apply his skills at showmanship and manipulation. Best timeline Jimmy may have left the law and pursued a career in that.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I feel they retconned Jimmy being a piece of shit into the show.

BB Jimmy and BCS Jimmy are like two completely different characters. Even the last episode changes Mike into a very different character than his BB version.

 

[CWCissey]

The most glaring omission in the BB universe is what Gus did to get kicked out of Chile, so expect a show on that.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Didn't they confirm the Pinochet angle for Gus in BCS? IIRC (and correct me if I'm misrembering) but someone made a by the by comment about Gus's parents being high ranking members of Pinochet's regime; hence why the cartel had to hurt Gus via those around him and had to have explicit proof of him going rogue to be able to kill him.

 

[ln18]

I think the biggest/most commercial loose end left to work with is a scenario where the exposure of Saul>"Gene" in tandem with the business card somehow unravels the vacuuming process and leads to problems for elderly adolescent Jesse. The world doesn't need that. Sad IP doesn't get to die anymore.

 

[Raiken]

Alternative ending:
Jimmy is in jail, and hears chucks Ghost "Remember who you are Jimmy"
Jimmy then strips nakid and pulls the bottle of vaciline out of his ass and rubs himself with it.
"It's slipping time" said Jimmy when he slips through the bars and escapes.

 

[IceCreamForCrow]

I feel they retconned Jimmy being a piece of shit into the show, especially in the prologue, to retroactively prove Chuck was right about him

Seriously bro? Aside from I guess Chuck keeping him out of HHM he doesn't really get any pushback he didn't cause. He suddenly makes partner at Davis and Maine then for no reason blows it up "A big giant Law Firm won't let me make a commercial without asking? Fuck dis I quit."

He does stupid shit like the Squat Cobbler tape that absolutely would destroy his career if Pryce accidentally told anyone. The show literally starts with him trying to orchestrate a hit and run to blackmail a client.

The show is just him constantly fucking himself over.

 

[AnOminous]

I think the biggest/most commercial loose end left to work with is a scenario where the exposure of Saul>"Gene" in tandem with the business card somehow unravels the vacuuming process and leads to problems for elderly adolescent Jesse. The world doesn't need that. Sad IP doesn't get to die anymore.

My headcanon on that is that Ed died in the show when Robert Forster died irl, so some time after the events in El Camino. It's too bad because I really would have liked a scene where Jimmy called him up a second time and Ed basically told him to fuck off, you're too hot, and hung up on him. Then disappeared himself.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I would guess that Gus was a young leftist back in Chile. His boyfriend and him are able to hide underground for a while but end up fleeing to Mexico in the 80s.

They get into the meth trade to survive but do so in Don Eladio’s territory. Gus’s boyfriend is killed and Gus plans a long plot of revenge.

This would explore another way of ‘breaking bad’; political radicals becoming part of the drug trade and then being consumed by it. Gus is an intelligent character but uses his skills to grow a drug empire rather than help people.