General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Zinnaha]

I don't disagree that Namie is riding the numbers from her time as Sana, and nor will I dispute that she's the least successful member of EN, but to say she did nothing is a bit disingenuous when her stream hours basically tied with Bae for top in Council during the times she was actually active. Which admittedly wasn't very long.

I'm sure she's done other stuff too like mascot design and 3d designs while she was active so she's definitely left a mark and enough of a legacy for people to remember her by.

It's pretty hilarious that people who largely ignored her/didn't care much about her (especially in the usual circles) constantly harass her now that she's left hololive lol.

 

[Faceless Anime Woman]

I hate it here

Replying myself just to add some tidbit regarding the Indo QR Code shenanigans. It seems that my assumption (along with everyone in Facebook group talking about it) was wrong, and that there's no group effort in the whole thing. The Mad guy is the one who did it himself, but then also blamed Kyoon and that Hololive Historian guy Pokka in order to shift the blame or threw them under the bus.

I also noticed that /vt/ already has a thread regarding the QR code stuff (or two, not sure, barely visited the place), and they have this image


The image basically shows that Kyoon was innocent, and when the QR code guy Mad made his "apology" statement that implicates him and holohistorian guy, Kyoon posted the smoking gun in form of a deleted post where he mentioned the exact plan back at 15th august. Mad tried to deflect it ("editan" = "that's an edit"), but realized that he's fucked and thus ditched the server. Kyoon also left, but that's mostly to keep himself out from the folks that went malding and took Mad's blame shifting at face value, and this also confirmed by the discord server members themselves.

I'm gonna start laughing and never stop if an ID anti is the first ever vtuber anti to end up getting cement shoes.

Considering that the dude is basically doing vandalism on gooberment property and that there's CCTV and probably eyewitness, he might get the cemen shoes after all. Or at least being humiliated as "that guy who got arrested for vandalizing japanese cartoon images."

 

[Sevatonius]

Anya (To Miko): I'm buying a helicopter
*60 seconds later crashes and dies*
Miko: ANYAAAAAA
I can't believe Anya fucking died in a helicopter crash

 

[Rratcatcher]

It's pretty hilarious that people who largely ignored her/didn't care much about her (especially in the usual circles) constantly harass her now that she's left hololive lol.

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

 

[GlobohomoSapiens]

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These guys being faggot nigger SEAmonkeys aside, the stars-and-bars are pretty based.

Onolumi is playing Galactic Battlegrounds again.

Lumi is doing some Katana Zero weird game sans-coffee in front of Susan's retarded Merchant's Guild ass.

 

[Burnt Fish]

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

I mean there's still people out there that talk about missing Aloe and insisting she be included as a tribute in any fan project possible. So none of that is super surprising, at least people actually knew Sana.

 

[Zinnaha]

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

That always annoyed me the most about it all.

I mean there's still people out there that talk about missing Aloe and insisting she be included as a tribute in any fan project possible. So none of that is super surprising, at least people actually knew Sana.

What gets me about this is as said, it's mostly people who didn't even know Aloe, let alone what hololive or vtubing was at the time since a big chunk of viewership popped up a month or two later for Myth's debut. So yeah it's not surprising, it's just hilariously sad that now people want to care about Sana. It does make me wonder how an actual big graduation would end up when it's not for bs reasoning.

 

[Burnt Fish]

What gets me about this is as said, it's mostly people who didn't even know Aloe, let alone what hololive or vtubing was at the time since a big chunk of viewership popped up a month or two later for Myth's debut. So yeah it's not surprising, it's just hilariously sad that now people want to care about Sana. It does make me wonder how an actual big graduation would end up when it's not for bs reasoning.

there's some of it yeah, I would give some level of benefit of the doubt because I know a good number of people came around on Sana seeing her active in that last month or so, even before the graduation announcement the collab with IRyS for designing mascots and Ina Tanabata got some people even here to come around on her a bit. and then that collab fest of her final weeks reinforced that while hooking more (who knew streaming would gain her fans)

There's definitely some pity followers that are being disingenuous but there was at least a lot of opportunities in that last month for new genuine fans to arise so I wouldn't immediately assume a majority of them are uncaring as the default.

I also think some of the talk of her being harassed now is largely getting overstated, seems like she just wants people to shut the hell up with the speculation and sekret information talk (though it's debatable whether her response is wise in aiming to reduce it) At least from what I've been seeing and watching I'm not seeing some wave of harassment she's been facing or anything she's said that implies that's what's going on beyond wanting people to learn to just not push rrats.

 

[Ensok]

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

What gets me about this is as said, it's mostly people who didn't even know Aloe, let alone what hololive or vtubing was at the time since a big chunk of viewership popped up a month or two later for Myth's debut. So yeah it's not surprising, it's just hilariously sad that now people want to care about Sana. It does make me wonder how an actual big graduation would end up when it's not for bs reasoning.

She was my favorite Council member but I wasn't always able to watch her streams directly. Would've liked to have supported her more but it's just how it works sometimes.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I think that'd be an understandable thing to get a bonk over, though it does make me question shit like Amouranth who streams on twitch without such issues and just from bits I've seen posted around, she definitely has plenty of moments that I'm surprised Twitch lets her get away with.

Just weird that one gets away with it while the other doesn't but then again this is twitch and it's one of their biggest cash cows on the platform, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised she gets away with more.

The curious thing is that Twitch went nearly-Dr-Disrespect levels of "fuck you, we ain't tellin' you nothin'" refusal to follow their own protocols (supposed to give 3 warnings before bans start) and refusal to clarify the reason for the ban or even what video caused it.

Sudden Gura Peko collab in Rust.
Miko attempted to counter-raid Pekora and failed, unexpected assist coming from Gura who was apparantly online and started firing down from the cliffs at Miko and Akirose while putting "Help peko" in chat

Smart for her to try to befriend the rabbit, but the rabbit will just backstab her once she decides it will be fun to raid her. Maybe that'll buy Gura some time at least though.

The rabbit returns charity with violence.

 

[DrStupid]

Since things started to get a bit spicy in Rust, and I had time to kill, and I'm kinda autistic like that, I made the following. (big picture ahead)



(don't expect this to be a regular thing tho)

 

[Excited Eraser]

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

Same impulse many people have to 'not speak ill of the dead'. I did have a rrat that Sana was just doing this to get attention and would announce her un-graduation right before the 31st. I would have actually liked her then.

 

[Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus]

It's complicated, I swear I will explain it someday
And no, it has nothing to do with white supremacists or hating blacks

Unbased jungle niggers.

I don't disagree that Namie is riding the numbers from her time as Sana, and nor will I dispute that she's the least successful member of EN, but to say she did nothing is a bit disingenuous when her stream hours basically tied with Bae for top in Council during the times she was actually active. Which admittedly wasn't very long.

I'm sure she's done other stuff too like mascot design and 3d designs while she was active so she's definitely left a mark and enough of a legacy for people to remember her by.

She did some of the art and stuff related for their council cover / six month anniversary as I recall. Same with people's mascots and their smols she did behind the scenes stuff and like a decent person didn't come out and go "I DID THIS PRAISE ME!" so she got a lot of "she dindu nuffin".

That's what annoyed me the most about her graduation. The fuckers coming out of the woodworks to gush on her or hate on her. Like, you all clearly didn't give a shit about her before, stop acting like you did now that she was leaving. Her huge boost to viewership after she announced her graduation was bullshit. Where was that support the months where it actually mattered?

I watched her when it mattered, but it still didn't matter I hope she does more than gacha shit as Namie since she's the most fun when she gets the opportunity to be the lovable weirdo she truly is, like an Australian IRyS. Her new opening is Rosemi tier greatness though. Well, except for the bilibili watermark.

 

[Avokado]

Has someone posted this here?

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/silvervale-wants-stream-forever-vshojo-star-finds-purpose-vtubing-1891685/

https://archive.ph/aaxSS

“We can show everyone that there can be an agency that’s not like Hololive,” she continued.
“You can be yourself and you can have a relationship and you can talk about yourself and your parents ⁠— just be yourself and not be tied down by all these expectations.

Silvervale wants “to stream forever” as VShojo star finds purpose in VTubing
Andrew Amos. Last updated: Aug 16, 2022

Silvervale started streaming to help aid her loneliness. Three years on, she’s found her calling and her purpose through VTubing. After blowing up onto the scene with VShojo she wants to keep going forever, or at least treasure the special moments while it lasts.

Some VTubers are very into their lore. For others, it’s only a neat backstory to describe their model. Silvervale definitely falls into the latter category, but she has put a little thought into it.

“I’m a sakura goddess who encourages people to appreciate the little things in life… I don’t know how deep I’ll go with it, so something like that,” she laughed. “Sakuras only bloom for a short time so you only get to appreciate it a little bit, and they’re really pretty so I vibe with them.”

Watching the VShojo star, who boasts more than 340,000 followers on Twitch, is like watching the sakuras bloom for that one week of the year.

She might not play intense games or get up to karaoke shenanigans too often. What she does provide though is a calming broadcast ⁠— with the occasional scream ⁠— with two purposes: to help everyone appreciate the little things, and give people company and comfort.

“I like to think I’m the cozy second monitor stream where you can play a different game or work and I’m just there to make you not feel so lonely,” she described.

“I have a lot of people who say this on my stream when I’m playing with my family, but if they’re not super close with their family or their parents have passed away, it’s a good way to live vicariously through us as a fun gamer family. I like to make people feel comfy and happy and feel a bit better about how sh*tty life can be sometimes.”

Silvervale’s family is almost the unique draw of her content. Alongside brother Konzetsu ⁠— also a VTuber ⁠— and with Mamavale behind them both, the three of them bring their fun to everyone on Twitch. It’s heartwarming, and can fill a void in someone’s life if they’re feeling especially homesick.

It wasn’t the intended plan, even with how close Silver is to her family. But it has made the streaming journey all the better with them by her side, and given her even more purpose.

“We had one stream, which is maybe one of my favorite streams ever, where we did Fear Factor. She picked out a bunch of foods I knew I would hate and she made me eat them on stream. Bugs ⁠— a lot of bugs ⁠— oysters, you name it. There was one part where I was trying to eat it but it was so gross. I had it in my mouth for five minutes not knowing what to do with it. I was freaking out.

“We’ll do a lot of fun mother-daughter streams like that. For Christmas one time we rated people’s decorations ⁠— just fun family things that maybe people in chat won’t experience themselves. We celebrate holidays together so they can celebrate with us.”

The “mom friend” of the internet

Silvervale started out in the early days of VTubing, before the 2020 boom. In fact, she didn’t even know what VTubing was when she started ⁠— she just wanted to be a cute anime girl.

“I didn’t know there was a whole community for it, I didn’t know there was a name for it,” she laughed. “I wanted to stream and I had done it with a webcam a long long time ago, and I went through Steam and I saw something called FaceRig. I knew there was that guy who streamed as a shiba inu and I was like ‘that’s what this is.’ I then saw you could be an anime girl and thought that was kind of cool. I like anime, it’s cute, I don’t want to use my webcam so I tried it.”

Becoming a VTuber in those early days was more of a challenge than it is nowadays. While it might seem hard to break into today, back then you were working in the dark. There were very few, if any, resources out there about making models and getting motion tracking to work. That’s if you even knew where to look, which Silver didn’t.

She managed to get a custom model (a white-haired wolf girl to start with) and started streaming Black Desert Online, often “playing for 12 hours a day grinding forever to no one”.

However, someone finally managed to show her the light: “I had my friend Shachi, she found me when I was a little no one playing BDO and she said ‘you’re a VTuber’ ⁠— and that’s when I figured out what a VTuber was.

“We became very close friends and she told me about the community, and it blew my mind how many people there were that knew what it was.”

She slowly grew from there, playing a variety of MMOs as well as chatting to her newfound petal pals. Silvervale’s cozy interactions slowly warmed the hearts of the community too, with the wolf girl quickly becoming the “mom friend” of the VTubing community.

That’s her family rubbing off on her in more ways than one.

“I did get it from my mom,” she quipped. “I want people to be happy. If they’re struggling in a game or have tech issues, I try to help them. I have heard from people that I inspired them to VTube, or inspired them to get their parents to play games, or to try and stream. It makes me feel very special.”

The ever-evolving VTubing space

Having been so deeply ingrained in the VTuber space since it began, Silvervale has heard everything, both good and bad. Early virtual entertainers, especially in the West, faced a lot of vitriol. Most of this was from a lack of understanding or knowledge.

However, the walls are slowly being broken down. The boom of 2020 made most people on the internet somewhat conscious of VTubers, and its growth hasn’t really slowed down despite all predictions. It might still weird some people out, but many see it as no different from normal streaming ⁠— Silvervale included.

It does have its very clear upsides everyone will tell you about: anonymity, privacy, the ability to go live without having to worry about what you look like or what’s in your background. It’s liberating in a sense.

“You can almost be more of yourself when you’re VTubing,” Silver explained. “You can make weird sounds, do crazy stuff, because you’re not wondering ‘what does my face look like when I make this crazy sound?’ Nyan, for example, makes a lot of crazy monster sounds. I can’t imagine what her face looks like when she does that. But as a VTuber you can do a bunch of stuff like that, weird stuff, funny stuff, and you don’t have to worry about what you look like when you do it because you’re always going to be a cute anime girl.”

There are also some less clear ones though. Smaller aspects of VTubing culture are just straight up not replicable for your run-of-the-mill streamer.

“When you look at a VTuber you can tell by their design, their vibe, their stream layout that you know what you’re getting into,” Silvervale explained. “But as a normal person, you have to hang out there to guess what they’re going to be able to do.

“If you’re a big role player, it’s almost cringe if you did it as a normal person. But as a VTuber you’re playing a character, and if you really like role playing that’s perfect for you. You can play the lore, and maybe one day you want to be a different character ⁠— that’s totally acceptable.

“It’s almost unfair as a VTuber because we make this big deal out of like ‘oh I got new clothes’. I really want to see a normal person throw a debut like ‘I got this new T-shirt from Walmart’ ⁠— I want a normal streamer to throw a new outfit debut every month because it’s really funny.”

Vtubing and streaming are still relatively young ⁠— live streaming is an advent of the late-2000s, and VTubing is only six years old really. But in Silvervale’s eyes, there’s an inherent advantage to the latter in terms of what it can offer viewers, as well as how high the ceiling is in terms of technology.

“VTubing is constantly evolving which I think is really cool in comparison to normal streaming. You’ve got a webcam, you’ve got a game, maybe you’ll put on a silly hat for a chat redemption. But for VTubing you can throw things at us, you can change our clothes, you can do so much cool stuff and it’s constantly evolving.”

Despite all the positivity, VTubing is still mildly controversial in the space. Whether it be people claiming sexualized models are just ‘thirst traps’ or the medium can promote bad actors, it can be cast off as an unknown that doesn’t need to be explored too deeply.

But, at the end of the day, VTubers are still streamers. They just look a bit different.

“It’s just people who want to be comfortable and it’s fun,” Silver said. “It’s fun to get new outfits and have props. It’s more fun than being a normal person. You play games to escape from the world sometimes, and maybe you want to stream to do that too. Being a character and seeing yourself do cute sh*t, that’s really fun and it helps you escape.”

The freedom of VShojo

Silvervale’s grind as an independent eventually led her to VShojo, the biggest VTuber agency on Twitch. The group feels more like a team of independents banding together ⁠— and it was the perfect fit for Silver. Approached by Projekt Melody to join the group, she laughed about how her redebut in November 2020 was the “most stressful and anxious” experience in her life.

“I was shaking, having cold sweats, forgetting how to talk. It was nerve-wracking but it was really exciting and it was cool to have this group that I love ⁠— I am so lucky.”

The weight of it all isn’t lost on her though, even two years on. Just thinking about the hard work it took to get here, for her and VShojo, brought her to tears. There was hardship, and times when it looked like breaking apart.

However, the journey made it worth all the trouble. Even if VShojo was to disband tomorrow, Silvervale has achieved things beyond her wildest dreams.

“I was at a concert, on stage with a bunch of Japanese VTubers and my friends [at VILLS], and that was the coolest thing in the world. My mom came over, ate pizza, and watched me on stage. It was so cool to be a part of something that big, and none of that would have been possible without VShojo.”

VShojo has loftier goals than that though. Having just brought on Kson and Amemiya Nazuna in their Japan expansion, they want to flip the VTubing landscape on its head. While its idol culture roots might be great for the Japanese audience, it can also distance VTubers from Western fans who like authenticity.

“We can show everyone that there can be an agency that’s not like Hololive,” she continued. “You can be yourself and you can have a relationship and you can talk about yourself and your parents ⁠— just be yourself and not be tied down by all these expectations.

“You can be yourself and do what you’ve always done, but have this huge support network and be able to grow and show the community that it’s possible in the West to be a force of reckoning. We can show VTubers are here, and they can make awesome content.

“We’re just normal streamers, we just have a professional backing and I like how that’s going to be more normalized and we can just be ourselves.”

Life without VTubing

VShojo or independent, VTuber or real life, Silvervale would still be toiling away at streaming even if she was only pulling a viewer stream. She’s just one of the lucky ones that was able to make a living from it.

Even if she never cracked it into the big leagues on Twitch, she’d die trying. Streaming has given her life so much purpose. Without it, she’d be “miserable”.

“My VTubing life, and life in general with streaming, is a dream. It’s literally my dream. I never thought I’d get this far. It was just a pastime or to feel less lonely when I was playing BDO for hours, and I never thought I’d get to this point.”

Now that she is here though, she’s excited to see what the future holds: “I want to grow and expand it. I want to have a cool 3D setup and a 2D model that’s really good. I want to keep experiencing the cool technological advances because it’s all very cutting edge.”

Beyond pushing new technology and working VTubing into the mainstream though, Silvervale just wants to be there to soak it all in. Much like her stream vibes, she just wants to go with the flow and see where it takes her ⁠— as long as the journey doesn’t end too soon.

“I want to stream forever. I want to do it with my family, my friends, make new friends and grow my community more and keep accomplishing really cool things. I want to take it as it comes, and make people happy ⁠— and cry a lot.”

discussion on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/wop0f6/comment/ikt4uxs/

 

[DALKurumiTokisaki]

I'll give credit to Ollie's antis, as so far they seem to be the only dedicated anti group to actually get out of bed, go outside and put some effort into their trolling.

The fact that they actually do stuff like this in Indonesia though despite it being a legitimate danger to themselves at least shows dedication even if it's autistic and stupid. I sure as shit wouldn't risk it and possibly get a visit by a village mob coming to beat the crap out of me, get arrested for defacing public property, or a surprise from the Paviola family Gestapo.

Edit: I see where Silvervale is coming from but I'm going to nitpick a bit:
"relationship and you can talk about yourself and your parents"

So I guess Silver doesn't bother to watch Hololive or Hololive clips if she's saying stuff like this considering the Holo girls brought their mothers, sisters, and in IRyS' case her entire family on stream before.

 

[Cubanodun]

So he had just done streaming this visual novel called Anonymous;code, from the same series that did Steins;Gate and other VNs that has ";" on its title yesterday and for whatever reason, the dev/writer (not the publisher itself) decided to just, copyright strike the stream VOD because he "was streaming (the VN) for too long" or something like that.

It melt my heart that people is telling him to go commit Skydiving without a parachute on minecraft, sadly he is to big in the industry to the point that Pako and Huke have worked for him (Ocultic nine and Steins gate respectively) so he probably is going to get a slap in the wrist and cope

 

[SoundWave Superior]

God this man making me GAY

 

[Azchan]

The game is really going to suck her hololive money away just so she can have her pink cat lmao
333 rolls and only one pink cat
update took 400 pulls for 2 pink cats
450 pulls for 3 pink cats
510 pulls for 4 pink cats (she had to put in money at this point)
570 pulls for 5 pink cats
Had to use a free 6 star coin to get pink cat number 6
Final count about 587 pulls

They couldn't even give her a voucher or something for her own character? Or is the simple act of throwing away your own money for THE CHANCE to get something with literally no value somehow entertaining? I will never understand gachafags and their bs. Atleast in casinos you can win big, even though it's obviously rigged, in gacha you literally never win anything tangible.

I can imagine the chink wagies throwing away their meager fucking income just to buy a bunch of numbers represented by a png, or maybe even an animated sprite if they are lucky!

Despite Connor's wording, he was absolutely right. You get into a company similar to Hololive, and you're pretty much guaranteed to have a following until you stop being in the internet

No shit. Been saying he was pretty accurate in what he said since the whole stupid drama started.

https://mobile.twitter.com/namgoreng/status/1560225918106632194

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Seems like rrats are rratting.

"FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE" fags doing their thing as usual.

ollie is the perfect target for those retards so its not really shocking that she is the target,while kobo is what those anti targeted,IIRC in donation chat stream talking about anti but she make it clear that she doesn't care and will laugh at anti along with her fans,meanwhile ollie ofc will take it seriously when talking about anti which mean giving them the "attention" they want.

I'll give credit to Ollie's antis, as so far they seem to be the only dedicated anti group to actually get out of bed, go outside and put some effort into their trolling.

When you let things get to you, more people get the courage to try it out. This is my main problem with Ollie.

So... British man okay?

(Also I miss Bubi, weird huh?)

Have never seen a single one of his streams as Boobie

It's pretty hilarious that people who largely ignored her/didn't care much about her (especially in the usual circles) constantly harass her now that she's left hololive lol.

Normal. She basically became a martyr.

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Tenma clip/shitpost

 

[Not an NSA Plant 69]

After searching the thread I didn't see anyone post about it, so I will get a ball rolling and see if anyone else can turn up stuff.

It seems that PC Gen2 Panko's PL was Goro Nama a 2 view that debuted in April.

Reddit debut announcement.


She did have a tie to Shura (PL of Remi) due to being an art sister.


I have found only three VODs of her with vocals as Goro Nama.

The two on Youtube are on small random channels that seems to have tried a bit of clipping, she does not seem to have changed her vocals that much since then, and you can hear many of the Panko's vocal mannerism sprinkled throughout the VODs.

Youtube VOD2.

The third is an upload of her singing Fly me to the Moon, located on to Bilibili and uploaded by a clipper that seems to clip a lot of small indies singing.

There is evidence of a Shura collaborating with Goro Nama but the VOD is no longer listed and I have not been able to find clips of it.


Final note, when she announced her graduation in November some familiar faces replied to her tweet, however none of them had interacted with her on twitter previous to this.


If anyone wants to delve further Amber Glow collab clips may be a good place to start.

Goro Nama's wiki page (archive link) still exists, her Youtube is empty, her Twitch was nuked, but some records exist of her being a 2 view in the final months before graduating, the Twitter is privated. There is a Tiktok account (archive link) and an Instagram that is likely unrelated.

 

[paule]

God this man making me GAY

He fucking loves this game

Astel is fully on board too when his ingame character killed an invader