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[NerdShamer]

Remember, folx: just like elves and trolls, reverse racism is a myth.

Apparently, NYC and other urban cities had their own neighborhoods and careers because Europeans fucking hated each other. Japanese & Koreans hate each other for reasons that predate the Second World War. Aztecs enslaved their neighbors and tribes like the Apache were infamous for starting shit with their neighbors.

But hey, in the mystical realm that resides within the jannies of RPG.net, all of the wars that took place on continental Europe involved the kings and emperors declaring wars on their neighbor's niggers & gypsies instead of those Austrian dogs.

 

[Autistic Joe]

Apparently, NYC and other urban cities had their own neighborhoods and careers because Europeans fucking hated each other. Japanese & Koreans hate each other for reasons that predate the Second World War. Aztecs enslaved their neighbors and tribes like the Apache were infamous for starting shit with their neighbors.

And don't forget about African tribes constantly warring with each other, where the losing tribe would get sold to the Arab slave traders.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

A thread about a Shadowrun/Victorian England mashup turns into handwringing about racism.

Remember, folx: just like elves and trolls, reverse racism is a myth.

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Yeah they nailed the hypocrisy of the discussion by pointing out that the poster twice insinuated they would be fine with the problematic elements if they were not written by white people.

The "reverse racism" attempt at a counterpoint is the standard issue covering tactic and like the counterpoint made there is no reverse racism. It's all racism. Of course the moderator doubles down on it and continues to pretend it's reverse racism when what they in fact mean is "it's not racist if you're doing it to white people."

 

[NerdShamer]

And don't forget about African tribes constantly warring with each other, where the losing tribe would get sold to the Arab slave traders.

Or how South Africa went to shit after the Boers were overthrown and replaced with diversity mandates.

 

[Autistic Joe]

Hoo-boy, they've been busy little beavers banhammers over there the past few days.

Spoiler: Gogmagog - click, get boobs

link - archive


Can't really say I disagree with him. Those phone games are known for using very deceptive advertising, which often amounts to CLICK ME, GET ANIMATED BOOBA!

Spoiler: Albigensian - truth bombs

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Here's the video Matt.Ceb is sperging and sputtering about. It doesn't really come across as EVIL XENOPHOBIC to me, it sounds pretty straight - if all your privatized railways have foreign owners, the profits are going out of country.

Spoiler: TropBlast - more truth bombs

link - archive

Gee, who woulda thunk that English Villages were historically lily-white. Anyway here's some earlier lunacy from page 1 of the thread. Apparently Arethusa seems to think England was historically The Hood and Sheeit. They must've learned about English Kings and thought it was "English Kangz".

Spoiler: Mithril Maiden - gossip monger

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Basically, tattling to the teacher with unfounded allegations and no proof. Cope, seethe, and dilate for three months, and then 41% yourself, tranny. You may be gossipy, but you will never be a real washwoman.

Spoiler: Mithril Maiden - bonus posts

And here's a bonus, the thread from two years ago that was mentioned in the ban, when MM called images of white supremancy "cozy".
first page - second page

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

Spoiler: Albigensian - truth bombs

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Here's the video Matt.Ceb is sperging and sputtering about. It doesn't really come across as EVIL XENOPHOBIC to me, it sounds pretty straight - if all your privatized railways have foreign owners, the profits are going out of country.
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Any day ending in -y is a good day to bully Matt.Ceb. Brexit bad, am I right fellow redditors?

Spoiler: TropBlast - more truth bombs

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Gee, who woulda thunk that English Villages were historically lily-white. Anyway here's some earlier lunacy from page 1 of the thread. Apparently Arethusa seems to think England was historically The Hood and Sheeit. They must've learned about English Kings and thought it was "English Kangz".
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I fucking hate when they equivocate like this. First of all, cite your sources, bitch. You can't, because you only have two and they're the same ones that always get cited to "prove" that our melanin rich cousins have as good a claim to English clay as the Normans. One, Roman inscriptions at Hadrian's Wall showing that soldiers from a legion raised in North Africa served there, and two, court paintings from the fucking 16th century. Wow holy shit, Henry Tudor had a Moor at court, truly they were integrated into the very warp and woof of rural Britain. Your odds of running into a dusky hued gentleman in a small English village prior to 1970 are so infinitesimal as to be ludicrous.

Spoiler: Mithril Maiden - gossip monger

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Basically, tattling to the teacher with unfounded allegations and no proof. Cope, seethe, and dilate for three months, and then 41% yourself, tranny. You may be gossipy, but you will never be a real washwoman.

Spoiler: Mithril Maiden - bonus posts

And here's a bonus, the thread from two years ago that was mentioned in the ban, when MM called images of white supremancy "cozy".
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Haha wow, I knew that "cosy" accusation sounded familiar. Two years, huh, nobody holds a grudge like someone with just a grain of power.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

I fucking hate when they equivocate like this. First of all, cite your sources, bitch. You can't, because you only have two and they're the same ones that always get cited to "prove" that our melanin rich cousins have as good a claim to English clay as the Normans. One, Roman inscriptions at Hadrian's Wall showing that soldiers from a legion raised in North Africa served there, and two, court paintings from the fucking 16th century. Wow holy shit, Henry Tudor had a Moor at court, truly they were integrated into the very warp and woof of rural Britain. Your odds of running into a dusky hued gentleman in a small English village prior to 1970 are so infinitesimal as to be ludicrous.

Due to genetic analysis, we know exactly how many sub-saharan Africans moved to the British Isles with the Roman Legions and then were left after Rome withdrew its authority from Britain.

One. His descendants still live in a small town in Southern England.

Dark skinned-Britons 10,000 years ago? They were certainly displaced by someone or someones else who were themselves displaced by the Bell Beaker Culture around 2800 BC onward. The Bell Beaker culture was displaced by the Celtic peoples who came in off of the steppes and who are the first ethnic group to enter the historical record while living on the British Isles and who had been living there for a very long time before the Romans and the Germanic tribes violently blundered into them.

 

[D.Va]

Here's the video Matt.Ceb is sperging and sputtering about. It doesn't really come across as EVIL XENOPHOBIC to me, it sounds pretty straight - if all your privatized railways have foreign owners, the profits are going out of country.
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I have to point out the "Netherlands" in this smarmy fucking video since it was obvious they just picked a canal to make it look like it was filmed there. Book bitch is probably in some London suburb too.

The smug emanating from this video is funny if you know the countries. Don't board a French SNCF train if you don't want to smell like piss. German trains are frequently late despite the efficiency meme. Only the Netherlands has a system that isn't completely horrible. And the UK railways are going back under public ownership now so the entire subject matter is a little bit dated.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I fucking hate when they equivocate like this. First of all, cite your sources, bitch. You can't, because you only have two and they're the same ones that always get cited to "prove" that our melanin rich cousins have as good a claim to English clay as the Normans. One, Roman inscriptions at Hadrian's Wall showing that soldiers from a legion raised in North Africa served there, and two, court paintings from the fucking 16th century. Wow holy shit, Henry Tudor had a Moor at court, truly they were integrated into the very warp and woof of rural Britain. Your odds of running into a dusky hued gentleman in a small English village prior to 1970 are so infinitesimal as to be ludicrous.

If Europe has always been full of dark skinned peoples, then the colonization of Africa, etc wasn't racist. Checkmate, RaPeGaynetters.

Someone should compile a bit of equally spurious evidence to "prove" that Africa, the American continent, etc, have always had white people, then tell them they can't whine about white people writing about "muh PoC's" because it's white people culture too.

 

[Loose Goose]

That's very funny, but the person making the point would just be banned - it is not about genuine belief but the celebration of a lie and the punishment of their political enemies. The people who peddle this stuff know damn well their point is absurd. They love to rub it in too. But try to use their argument to your advantage and watch them come down on you like a ton of bricks. Been there, done that, even got the t-shirt (not on RPGNet).

 

[The Ugly One]

One, Roman inscriptions at Hadrian's Wall showing that soldiers from a legion raised in North Africa served there

Referring to imperial soldiers from a colonizing power as natives is just really odd by any standard.

 

[Wallace]

More bans for not agreeing in the right way, this time over why GenCon needs to leave Indiana because now you can't get an abortion there.










Bonus: (Not the same poster, but still, week-long ban for silently agreeing with someone who got banned).

 

[Fapcop]

Referring to imperial soldiers from a colonizing power as natives is just really odd by any standard.

Not to mention that the population in North Africa then, looked different than the one currently living there.

This “there has always been hurr durr of color in Britain!” is peak woke/Kang nonsense.

Sure, there might have been an Arab ambassador or merchant here or there. Or a galley slave might have fallen over the railing and washed ashore once every decade.

But as a whole, up until quite recently, the vast majority of people lived their entire lives without ever having travelled more than 30 miles from where they were born.

 

[Autistic Joe]

More bans for not agreeing in the right way, this time over why GenCon needs to leave Indiana because now you can't get an abortion there.

Well to be fair, most games these days could be described as an abortion, and the convention needs to accommodate those.

My favorite part is the bit about Indiana "somehow" having jurisdiction over a pregnancy that begins in their state, and Gencon "somehow" being responsible for it as well. By that logic, I guess newlyweds who get pregnant on the honeymoon can sue the hotel for child support?

This “there has always been hurr durr of color in Britain!” is peak woke/Kang nonsense.

I blame the stories of Robin Hood. They clearly misunderstood and thought he was literally "robbin' da hood".

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

Referring to imperial soldiers from a colonizing power as natives is just really odd by any standard.

Look pal, when you're pushing a narrative you work with what you've got. But yeah, it's kinda like referring to Japan as having white heritage because of all the US troops stationed there post-WW2.

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I genuinely, not-a-shadow-of-irony support them continuing to say the quiet part out loud. Incredibly refreshing compared to the usual Marxist taqiyya.

 

[Fictional Character]

Look pal, when you're pushing a narrative you work with what you've got. But yeah, it's kinda like referring to Japan as having white heritage because of all the US troops stationed there post-WW2.

Japan's white heritage comes from the brothels in Nagasaki. There's 17th century records of mixed-race children being born there constantly.

 

[Autistic Joe]

And to no one's surprise, the subject of "How Much Is {X} Worth" continues to generate fresh milk. We just had one a few weeks ago, now it came up again in "What % of print should PDF cost?"

Starts with a few pages of knob-slobbering gems such as:
> "RPG books are actually too cheap in many cases, to sustain the hobby"
> "I actually think pdfs are too cheap in general"
> "I am willing to pay a premium for pdfs"
> "I'm okay with the idea of pdfs having the same price as physical"
> "If you prefer pdfs to books, why not pay as much?"

Knowing the position of the mods, gotta stay on their good side! But then we get a couple of truth bombs:



All very good points, kinda surprised tbh that these two didn't catch warnings for saying the price of a pdf needs to actually be earned and that indie heartbreakers are inferior.

This imbecile thinks that "layout and such" are optional. With attitudes like this, no wonder so many indie games look like shit.


Then they start rationalizing why a pdf should be MORE expensive than a print copy. Oh woe is me, bookmarks and table of contents and index are SoOoOoOo HaRrRrRrRrDdDdDd to create!




And that's where it takes a turn. After a few pages of bickering about bookmarking/indexing (which I've done before for technical documentation, and is really not that hard SINCE YOU WROTE THE DAMN THING), this guy ends up eating a ban.






THE BAN - ARCHIVE


As an extra added bonus - this guy got a ban for daring to say that people shouldn't have to pay more than they think the product is worth. Mods disagree, and think shitty "passion projects" should be subsidized by the rest of us, CONSOOM CONSOOM CONSOOM

THE BAN - ARCHIVE

 

[AnOminous]

Japan's white heritage comes from the brothels in Nagasaki. There's 17th century records of mixed-race children being born there constantly.

They were generally viewed with contempt not just for being the illegitimate bastards of whores but also for their impure race.

 

[NerdShamer]

Bonus: (Not the same poster, but still, week-long ban for silently agreeing with someone who got banned).

Ironically, this is exactly how the facists offed their competition...Or at least some of it.

Japan's white heritage comes from the brothels in Nagasaki. There's 17th century records of mixed-race children being born there constantly.

Off the top of my head, only the Dutch had an trading contract with Japan before an new government closed their doors. I'll have to check the years, again.

this guy ends up eating a ban.

Technically, he isn't wrong. Might have been too much of an prick about it, though.

As an extra added bonus - this guy got a ban for daring to say that people shouldn't have to pay more than they think the product is worth

Honestly, this is an problem that'll quickly solve itself if an lot of people share the same mindset.

But...

Mods disagree,

I really wished that they quit being stereotypical, for once

and think shitty "passion projects" should be subsidized by the rest of us, CONSOOM CONSOOM CONSOOM

This has actually happened here and there with public works projects that were eventually abandoned. California's high-speed rail line actually went down this road.

 

[Autistic Joe]

This has actually happened here and there with public works projects that were eventually abandoned. California's high-speed rail line actually went down this road.

Sure, and that's bad enough but at least there's usually some rationale (even if exaggerated) why it's beneficial to the public at large. Creates jobs, stimulates the local economy, improves local infrastructure, whatever.

What they're arguing is more akin to "Aunt Bessie makes these ugly crafts and sells them on Etsy, and she deserves $50 each because muh CrEaToRs and muh LiViNg WaGe." Which is complete bullshit. It's been said countless times - the RPG industry is over-saturated with indie creators and their shitty heartbreakers. If you produce garbage, don't expect people to pay the same price as if it came from a professional game company. And if you want a guaranteed salary, don't try to run a solo business in an already-crowded field.

Mod says: "Creating games is a job like any other. [They] don't do it just for fun, they do it because that's where their skills or training have taken them." Okay, so if their skills and training are so great, why not go work for WOTC or the other big names? Maybe they're not so good after all? I think a lot of these indie creators must either be hopelessly naive, or complete narcissists, to think that they possess all the necessary skills in game design, mechanics, balance, play-testing, writing, layout, marketing, etc., to compete with that industry. Gee, it's almost like it takes a whole team of professionals with varied skills to make a professional product worth a professional price!

We see this more and more with the "creative" industries, and people need to accept reality. Just because modern technology makes it easy to "be creative" and to disseminate your work, it doesn't mean your work is good - or worth the $20 you're asking for it. That goes for art, music, writing, games, videos, homemade crafts, and all the other garbage you see people peddling online. 99% of it is shit, plain and simple. For the most part, if they had any talent at all they'd already be successful in that career with or without the internet.