Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[The Coon]

Agreed. Unless Miki Ariyama is getting into catfights with other women or is leaking #romance DMs from Dale Keown or posts tits, her antics as a generic nerd thirst trap with her husband's collection of CG merch just aren't entertaining enough to hold my interest. I need something beyond the pale, like extremely unflattering e-celeb art.

Gives off the same energy as this.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

"Partner."

You guys aren't dumb. Figure it out.

Cecil is gay?

Donal DeLay? I thought he was done with the book a while ago.

Since when does a creator need permission from an artist to ship a finished product? Does he still owe Donal money?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

First is the accusation that they are the ones who are mad. Frog pauses and start to break it down for everyone why Brooks is the mad one here and not him using facts and logic, libtard - when Brooks responds to him or Eric July it's because he's mad that his spotlight as a mainstream creator is being eclipsed by indie upstarts, but it's different when they criticize or respond to him because their grievances and criticisms of his behavior are simply sober, non-mad cynical self-marketing at the expense of an enemy, and Brooks is just too stupid to realize this. In short, Brooks is mad and jealous of all the money he and Eric July are making, meanwhile they're laughing their way to the bank.

Quote is broken, but it is from @Mister Dongs , a few posts above.

I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I thought was weird was @FROG's chest thumping about how he was streaming because he is getting paid, but why are they (Brooks, Vicki, Dean) doing it? Couldn't the same be said of @FROG's fans, as in why are they watching it? After all, they're not only not getting paid, they're (presumably) paying for the privilege of watching the stream.

Having said all of that, I am curious which one of you superchatted @FROG with the specific question about Kiwi Farms. His response was quite reasonable. I got a chuckle out of it. Well done, Frog Merchant.

 

[The Coon]

Cecil is gay?


Since when does a creator need permission from an artist to ship a finished product? Does he still owe Donal money?

IDK, just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Maybe he does owe Donel money, so Donal is withholding pages until he gets paid. Again, just spit balling here.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

IDK, just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Maybe he does owe Donel money, so Donal is withholding pages until he gets paid. Again, just spit balling here.

It just doesn't make sense that Cecil would need anyone else's permission to begin shipping a product that's already years late. Iguess he doesn't own the IP?

 

[The Coon]

It just doesn't make sense that Cecil would need anyone else's permission to begin shipping a product that's already years late.

I does if Cecil doesnt really have everything ready, and is just trying to buy more time. "I have to wait for my partner who is conveniently out of town and cant sign something. You can trust my word, I have never lead you astray."

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

It just doesn't make sense that Cecil would need anyone else's permission to begin shipping a product that's already years late. Iguess he doesn't own the IP?

Maybe Frog is this mysterious "partner" and Cash Grab is going to be released under the All Caps banner afterall but Cecil is still trying to low ball him...?

 

[Rupin]

Related?

Nasser sent an an email talking about Vic’s campaign. I took a look at said campaign and saw that it had a target of 5k and Vic’s funding didn’t even hit 1k yet after 3 days

 

[jspit2.0]

Lot of good stuff.

@Mister Dongs did he really bring up Campbell and Cho?

Last I checked both JSC and Cho were fired from jobs and hounded for cheesecake. In fact, if you look at either of their artwork its neutered and tame by comparisons to what they produced a decade ago! Now just imagine if they weren't rabid libshits.

It seems odd to me that this literal who would lump himself in with the likes of Adam Hughes. I didn't think it was possible to have less actual work than Frog or Joe Quesada. But despite having drawn comic books for almost twenty fucking years I can't name a single thing he's done. I had to google and found that he did some mostly forgettable work until all the real artists at Marvel left. Someone like Brooks is the last person to criticize Frog's art.

My problem with Brooks is his failure to place some of the ire he puts on CG at his own colleagues.

My problem with Frog is two fold. First, it's okay to be angry. To care about things. This was the profession that Ethan Van Sciver dedicated his life to. He was a good little soldier for DC Comics, went along with the woke bullshit for years like most of his CG comrades, and was rewarded with being shown the door. As Todd McFarlane would say...not even a watch! He gets to care, to be angry. Second, Frog has grifted off of culture war. But, he's not the only one. Brooks has been walking hand in mouse glove with culture war bullshit for almost a decade. He doesn't get to act like Frog's the only one grifting here.

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Gives off the same energy as this.

My soul is escaping my body in shocked horror.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Par...tner...?

Nasser sent an an email talking about Vic’s campaign. I took a look at said campaign and saw that it had a target of 5k and Vic’s funding didn’t even hit 1k yet after 3 days

Sorry, I was having a dig at Nasser. Nasser promoted it so it's failing. Kind of thing.

NVM

Last I checked both JSC and Cho were fired from jobs and hounded for cheesecake.

I wondered about that myself: had they been uncancelled when I wasn't looking?

Apparently, but not intact.

 

[chalkyresidue]

"Partner."

You guys aren't dumb. Figure it out.

Don’t dodge the main issue here. Which is to say how do you defend that Stone Cold Steve Austin haircut?

 

[FluffyJackal]

"Partner."

You guys aren't dumb. Figure it out.

Could it be ol' Cecil is bitterly divorced-(ing) and the CashGrab windfall has to be acrimoniously split as part of the alimony battle?

 

[Captain Manning]

Second the thing about Cho and JSC. Mentioning them seems to support FROG's point more than Brook's. While FROG might overplay and exploit "the culture war" to some extent, I can't wrap my head around how anybody would argue there wasn't and isn't one in mainstream comics that affected things in a profound manner. And yet, FROG's critics seem to do it regularly now. It's weird.

For what it's worth, I mentioned in the Dean and Vikki cow thread that it's a bad look for "non-SJW anti-CG" (ostensibly) to platform somebody like Brooks. I agree with @5t3n0g0ph3r that it comes across as ridiculous, petty, and desperate.

Obviously, they can do whatever they want, but doing so lends further credence to my belief that that segment (which Nerdette is clearly trying to portray herself as part of now) is tracking left out of sheer frustration that FROG is still making money, and hasn't choked to death on a pie.

This is reason #456 why Keffals has to lose. Honestly, this thread is the only place I've read that will criticize FROG and CG in a manner that doesn't sound like it's coming from an unhinged blue checkmark on Twitter, and I really appreciate most of you making it that.

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

This is reason #456 why Keffals has to lose. Honestly, this thread is the only place I've read that will criticize FROG and CG in a manner that doesn't sound like it's coming from an unhinged blue checkmark on Twitter, and I really appreciate most of you making it that.

Ngl at one point i did think "oh no ive lost my 2k page instruction book on what not to do"

 

[jspit2.0]

Par...tner...?

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Sorry, I was having a dig at Nasser. Nasser promoted it so it's failing. Kind of thing.

NVM



I wondered about that myself: had they been uncancelled when I wasn't looking?

Apparently, but not intact.

Not Frank Cho, he's a shadow of himself. Cho didn't just cuck to Greg Rucka and DC to keep that sweet Harley Coomer commission money. He then went full retard on Jim Steranko when Steranko dared to state the truth about the Wu Flu.

Second the thing about Cho and JSC. Mentioning them seems to support FROG's point more than Brook's.

Which would have mattered had the person interviewing him known anything about comic books.

While FROG might overplay and exploit "the culture war" to some extent, I can't wrap my head around how anybody would argue there wasn't and isn't one in mainstream comics that affected things in a profound manner. And yet, FROG's critics seem to do it regularly now. It's weird.

Because they're in a hard position. The consensus among influencers was that interacting with CG gives them oxygen. So they don't want you talking to them. The pros don't like that because they're thin skinned.

That's why you have Joe Quesada trolling CG on twitter for three days before going silent.

 

[Cuckoman]

So I watched part of FROGs response video to the autistic Mark Brooks and two lolcows stream where Mark seemed to be very upset about Rippas and FROGs financial success.
And I started to wonder. Does making covers pay all that good? Can you really make a good living out of just drawing covers and nothing else?
Please enlighten me.
It just seems strange since most quality books contain a lot of really high quality interior pages as well. I am thinking Batman HUSH for example. Are covers being paid so much more than interior hero-shot pages that you can live comfortably on just doing covers while people doing interiors constantly complain about the compensation?

Or is my perception skewed because I only read Batman towards the end of my "being comics book customer" and Batman is just higher quality, and better paid/more costly to produce, than other comics?

What I am trying to say is, yes the cover is nice and lot of effort went into it. But the comics I used to buy, and CyberFrog, contains a lot of interior pages that are just as nice and has just as much work put into them.

 

[A Meme to Power]

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Gives off the same energy as this.

Marvel would make that a cover if you draw in some tacos and only charged them $150 for the rights to the work.

 

[Indelable]

Did Liam Try to kill himself in the last couple of days?

CIDER on the Hook .

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

So I watched part of FROGs response video to the autistic Mark Brooks and two lolcows stream where Mark seemed to be very upset about Rippas and FROGs financial success.
And I started to wonder. Does making covers pay all that good? Can you really make a good living out of just drawing covers and nothing else?
Please enlighten me.
It just seems strange since most quality books contain a lot of really high quality interior pages as well. I am thinking Batman HUSH for example. Are covers being paid so much more than interior hero-shot pages that you can live comfortably on just doing covers while people doing interiors constantly complain about the compensation?

Or is my perception skewed because I only read Batman towards the end of my "being comics book customer" and Batman is just higher quality, and better paid/more costly to produce, than other comics?

What I am trying to say is, yes the cover is nice and lot of effort went into it. But the comics I used to buy, and CyberFrog, contains a lot of interior pages that are just as nice and has just as much work put into them.

There are a number of whales in the comic book original art/speculator market and some will buy every cover/original art no matter what the comic actually sells. Think of it like the 90s when people bought cases of Xmen #1 thinking their kids' college fund was assured... but with rich guys and tax write-offs/money laundering.

 

[jspit2.0]

So I watched part of FROGs response video to the autistic Mark Brooks and two lolcows stream

I'm okay with putting Vikki and Dean as actual alogs.

where Mark seemed to be very upset about Rippas and FROGs financial success.

Well, I'm going to guess the irritation is with how they're making their money, not that they're making money. At least I'd hope.

And I started to wonder. Does making covers pay all that good? Can you really make a good living out of just drawing covers and nothing else?

Yes.

Please enlighten me.
It just seems strange since most quality books contain a lot of really high quality interior pages as well. I am thinking Batman HUSH for example.

Oh no. I mean Hush is probably one of Jim's best works but I can think of lots more in terms of quality and quantity.

Are covers being paid so much more than interior hero-shot pages that you can live comfortably on just doing covers while people doing interiors constantly complain about the compensation?

I mean, first...

There are a number of whales in the comic book original art/speculator market and some will buy every cover/original art no matter what the comic actually sells. Think of it like the 90s when people bought cases of Xmen #1 thinking their kids' college fund was assured... but with rich guys and tax write-offs/money laundering.

Original art is insane, even as a rump market. It's actually more or less the CG model. A cover artist draws one, often times pathetic image, gets a rate, then gets the artwork. So if you flip the art on that; you get paid bank for doing a day or two of work.

Comparatively, actual sequential artists have to draw twenty two pages a month. Sometimes those pages are filled with panels. Alan Moore and his grids. So yes, cover art is the cushy gig, provided you can get cover work on a major character like Batman, Spider-Man et al.

Or is my perception skewed because I only read Batman towards the end of my "being comics book customer" and Batman is just higher quality, and better paid/more costly to produce, than other comics?

I don't understand. You stopped reading comics back in 2004?

At the time, Hush was a major push. Rucka and Ed Brubaker had managed to turn the Bat titles into Vertigo looking books, that unfortunately sold like Vertigo books. At the same time, Jim Lee was ready to get back to work after a brief few years taking a break. Jim Lee had just had his company bought by DC and editors didn't think he could hit a monthly schedule. They paired him on Hush and low and behold that yes, he could.

As for quality art, I could point to Perez on TT or Avengers; Byrne on X-men or Superman. Comic book pay rates are complicated and I can explain both why artists aren't happy with them and why most of them have only themselves to blame. But no, you can have great quality on a monthly comic book and most comics had that quality until the 80s when allot of things happen that caused bad habits to form.