The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mrolonzo]

Try what? Around this time period (spring of 1942 and on) the term shows up in documents in reference to millions of Jews. Yet from this point on there is no evidence of actual resettlement happening on any scale, only killing of Jews on a vast scale

If you aren't getting this, I suppose this is a good stopping point for now

here ya go, it's the same book https://ia600706.us.archive.org/2/items/EinsatzgruppenCarloMattogno/EinsatzgruppenCarloMattogno.pdf

he tries to find examples of actual resettlement, but is only able to find examples prior to spring/summer 42, when the Reinhard camps came online and Himmler ordered the "resettlement" of the "entire Jewish population" of occupied Poland

Order by Himmler On July 19, 1942, for the Completion of the "Final Solution" in the Government-General

I herewith order that the resettlement of the entire Jewish population of the Government-General be carried out and completed by December 31, 1942.From December 31, 1942, no persons of Jewish origin may remain within the Government-General, unless they are in collection camps in Warsaw, Cracow...

www.yadvashem.org

1. The term is used widely in reference to the actual aim. The attempt is evidenced also. No vast scale killing is evidenced in the east and the EG study demonstrated it's not possible nor was it possible at the AR camps nor was it shown. I get what you're trying to imply but it's you who isn't getting this. Your desperation to make tenuous argument to lever out a holocaust is a fail.

Stop any time you want. I'll be here. We're not even started yet on the history of Belzec. I suppose we could discuss other AR camps Kola studied or CSC study of Treblinka.

2. What do you mean he tries to find things rather than examining what he has? Trying to distort intent are you? You seem to forget that I already know you're a fucking snake so I watch carefully what you say.

3. How are they supposed to be creating new settlements in a theatre of operations they're retreating in? The AR camps weren't execution areas and resettlement meant resettlement. It didn't mean killing as proven by the multiple uses of the word and there's no evidence of any widespread order to change the terms resettlement into murder or any evidence of any widespread attempt to do so. Moreover, the notion that the nazis decided to massacre instead of resettle just because they'd lost in Stalingrad is silly. They were still trying to win the war anyway and were never ever about execution of innocent Jews as proven again and again in this thread.

4. You just tried to assert that this Himmler order is in fact an order to kill every jew in Poland by "resettlement " I.e. execution. That's what youre trying right now isn't it?!

4. And why aren't you posting to the codoh shop where anyone can either pay a pittance for the study or get it free? What the fuck is your problem? Carlo Mattogno put his life into this as did many other scholars. Why don't you have respect for that?

 

[Chugger]

No vast scale killing is evidenced in the east

i mean something like this https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/11/report-to-hitler-jews-executed-363211.html

and again around this time, despite the stated "resettlement" of millions of Jews, not a shred of evidence (whether witness or documentary) of actual resettlement

 

[mrolonzo]

i mean something like this https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/11/report-to-hitler-jews-executed-363211.html

and again around this time, despite the stated "resettlement" of millions of Jews, not a shred of evidence (whether witness or documentary) of actual resettlement

Addressed already. I literally linked the codoh thread. Ask your pal about it.


So what? It's a tenuous supposition and there are no fake documents made by the nazis detailing resettlement either. Which again, you were already told among the multiple threads you embarrassed yourself with your completely immoral behaviour you have never apologised for on codoh with before you decided to try your luck here.

 

[Chugger]

I guess we can finish up here with an attempt by Mattogno to show actual resettlement of 20k or so Jews from Brest-Litovsk in 1942. He can find no evidence of anything resembling resettlement, so he tries to demonstrate this by proving the negative (no mention of explicit killing means they weren't killed). This is the only time he covers a "resettlement" taking place in the latter part of 1942, a time when he believes millions of Jews were being evacuated and housed in the east.

the last document (from November 8, 1942) he quotes is interesting and one I happened to bring up last year with my buddy Rapechu. If he had read the third page of the document he would see that it is in fact one of the most blatant cases of resettlement as shooting on record. Mattogno is truly the lolcow of historians

here we have a document that says on the first page

"On October 15 and 16, 1942, the Jews' campaign was carried out in Brest-Litovsk. This was followed by the complete resettlement of the Jews in the Brest-Litovsk district. In total, around 20,000 Jews are said to have been resettled so far."

And on the third page

"Use in the action against the Jews in the city and in the Brest-Litovsk district from October 15, 1942. So far, around 20,000 Jews have been shot ."

[machine translated, see link for scans and original German]

 

[Lemmingwise]

My prediction: This thread will cease to be a tourist central, as single issue poster don't know or care how to find the kiwifarms again.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

My prediction: This thread will cease to be a tourist central, as single issue poster don't know or care how to find the kiwifarms again.

Also, by immutable forum law, whoever posts last wins.

 

[Chugger]

Also, by immutable forum law, whoever posts last wins.

this forum might be on its last legs, so does anyone want to finish us off with a profound thought? JohnDoe maybe you can find a heartfelt poem from a Moon Jew, about his longing to be back on earth with beautiful nature, but he knows this will never come to pass

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

Ok chugger, I have a question. Why is it only the denialists were smart enough to post here when it was tor only?

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

Sorry to double post but can't edit the last comment now.

I'm back to only being able to access through tor for now, so I doubt we will get any response for a while.

 

[Arctic]

Ok chugger, I have a question. Why is it only the denialists were smart enough to post here when it was tor only?

Because they haven't been outside since the Holocaust happened.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

Because they haven't been outside since the Holocaust happened.

OK, good enough. I'll accept that as the reason why they're smarter.

 

[Linako 2.0]

this forum might be on its last legs, so does anyone want to finish us off with a profound thought? JohnDoe maybe you can find a heartfelt poem from a Moon Jew, about his longing to be back on earth with beautiful nature, but he knows this will never come to pass

The holocaust is a lie and will be remembered as the biggest lie of the 20th century.

 

[Chugger]

Ok chugger, I have a question. Why is it only the denialists were smart enough to post here when it was tor only?

I don't think this topic has much to do with smarts. eg Mattogno is clearly no dummy but is a steadfast believer in a historical hypothesis (millions of Jews were resettled in Russia) that has zero evidence. That he doesn't even see this as an issue speaks more to basic human flaws like stubbornness, ego, and unwillingness to look oneself in the mirror, and I think this applies equally to the deniers on this board who pass judgement without knowing very much about the subject beyond some memes.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

I don't think this topic has much to do with smarts. eg Mattogno is clearly no dummy but is a steadfast believer in a historical hypothesis (millions of Jews were resettled in Russia) that has zero evidence. That he doesn't even see this as an issue speaks more to basic human flaws like stubbornness, ego, and unwillingness to look oneself in the mirror, and I think this applies equally to the deniers on this board who pass judgement without knowing very much about the subject beyond some memes.

You're right, I need to learn more. I'd like to test/disprove my previously posted jews were turned into oil theory. I'll be fine going to any of the sites and testing the soil, right? In fact surely that must already have been done. What were the results?

 

[Aves]

My prediction: This thread will cease to be a tourist central, as single issue poster don't know or care how to find the kiwifarms again.

It's actually quite interesting how many single issue posters there have been for both sides. Obviously I posted mainly on this, and so did Chugger and HS all affirming the holocaust. But Rapechu did the same thing, and he was a denier. After he stopped arguing, he just completely stopped posting on KF. Mrolonzo also kept posting solely for this thread too, and he hasn't returned since KF went under.

Either way, you brought up a very good point sometime ago Lemmingwise. There is a whole lot of interesting stuff on this website other than Shilling for the Shoah, especially with the Keffals nonsense going down. It's not a good use of time arguing endlessly on the holocaust. It's a lot more fun to engage with everything else.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

It's actually quite interesting how many single issue posters there have been for both sides. Obviously I posted mainly on this, and so did Chugger and HS all affirming the holocaust. But Rapechu did the same thing, and he was a denier. After he stopped arguing, he just completely stopped posting on KF. Mrolonzo also kept posting solely for this thread too, and he hasn't returned since KF went under.

Either way, you brought up a very good point sometime ago Lemmingwise. There is a whole lot of interesting stuff on this website other than Shilling for the Shoah, especially with the Keffals nonsense going down. It's not a good use of time arguing endlessly on the holocaust. It's a lot more fun to engage with everything else.

I suspect some people made accounts just for this thread. Kept their older accounts separate..

I've been mainly on the wind up (although I have raised some salient points) so not cared too much.

 

[Lemmingwise]

It's actually quite interesting how many single issue posters there have been for both sides. Obviously I posted mainly on this, and so did Chugger and HS all affirming the holocaust. But Rapechu did the same thing, and he was a denier. After he stopped arguing, he just completely stopped posting on KF.

You could have just done basic research instead of making this mistake.

Mrolonzo is a single issue poster, but rapechu wasnt. Only about half of his posts were in this thread.

 

[Aves]

You are right, he wasn't a poster to the lengths of mrolonzo or me. But his last 40 or so messages were all on this holocaust. And then after that, he stopped using this website completely . Maybe he didn't start out as a single-issue poster, but in the end this thread was the only thing he seemed to care about. So maybe a 1-and-a-half-issue poster would fit.

Either way, my point is that this thread attracted both deniers and affirmers who spent a very big chunk of time on just this thread, some more than others. Having 50% of your posts be on a single thread is very dedicated.

 

[Fek]

How in the shit is this dumpster fire still going?

I don't have it in me to effortpost, but..

Here's some fuel for the embers. It's also quite hilarious, depending on your perspective.

Now, let me head off a number of people who would immediately cry victim and assume my motives (for all the good it'll do, of course). I don't hate any single group across the world these days. It's terribly unproductive and short-sighted. However, I do still like to call out bullshit when I see it, and like it or not there is quite a bit of it surrounding this "event" in history. You simply can't be an honest individual educated on this matter and lack the capacity to at least acknowledge the meme-worthy levels of fuckery going on.

 

[JohnDoe]

this forum might be on its last legs, so does anyone want to finish us off with a profound thought? JohnDoe maybe you can find a heartfelt poem from a Moon Jew, about his longing to be back on earth with beautiful nature, but he knows this will never come to pass

Sadly, sometime during the ensuing Space Race between Russia and the USA the Lunar Colonies were discovered and destroyed to hide all evidence of the Jewish resettlement. Until Based Musk travels there on a private shuttle and does some archeological work I'm afraid we will never read the sad lament of Jankel Schapiro, written over his meal of Moon Pears.