FUCK CLOUDFLARE - Nuff said.

[Retink]

Funny, Cloudflare caved into the people who are legitimately promoting harm and censorship against us.
The number of death threats, dox threats, and "expose" threats KF and Null has gotten is absurd. What a clown world.

There's a very short story that always stuck in my mind, by the guy who inspired Lovecraft, and I think it's apt in this case. It's one of those things that seems very timeless.

There, where the throng was thickest in the street, I stood with Pierrot. All eyes were turned on me.

“What are they laughing at?” I asked, but he grinned, dusting the chalk from my black cloak. “I cannot see; it must be something droll, perhaps an honest thief!”

All eyes were turned on me.

“He has robbed you of your purse!” they laughed.

“My purse!” I cried; “Pierrot–help! it is a thief!”

They laughed: “He has robbed you of your purse!”

Then Truth stepped out, holding a mirror. “If he is an honest thief,” cried Truth, “Pierrot shall find him with this mirror!” but he only grinned, dusting the chalk from my black cloak.

“You see,” he said, “Truth is an honest thief, she brings you back your mirror.”

All eyes were turned on me.

“Arrest Truth!” I cried, forgetting it was not a mirror but a purse I lost, standing with Pierrot, there, where the throng was thickest in the street.

 

[Haywire]

This was a real disappointment. I thought Cloudflare had thicker skin than a few vocal Twitter idiots. Got to love the security company that runs when security work is needed.

Honestly, this is a really unique problem the forums hasn't seen: there's multiple parties, they are organized, and they have influence and resources the farms doesn't have (nor can get due to monetization issues). Some even break the law, but the farms is constrained to stay within the law. The DDoS attacks were shady and under-the-radar by jilted individuals but with limited resources. Melinda Scott tried to take the site to court and drain financial resources but was incompetent once a defense was made. Yaniv had influence until they were too much of a liability to the others he used. Having this Twitter mob attacking the supporting companies the forum needs is a tough nut to crack. Even if Lucas found Christ tomorrow and stopped being a shit person, there's still a group that can be organized and do significant damage to the site and any infrastructure supporting it.

The first issue is dealing with the false flagging: obviously there's some bad seeds here, like every site, that the Twitter mob is highlighting and calling a representation of KF. It sticks to the farms, unlike the livestream serial killing from Facebook live not being the responsibility of Facebook or other similar tragedies. Bad optics sell really well to the low-IQ account holders they're using as a weapon. Yet, Lucas has admitted to illegal activity and is suspected of worse, with evidence from their own online voice. Discrediting Lucas with their own words seems to not have any sway, unlike Yaniv. If we had some amount of legal leverage, maybe it would be sustainable to pursue fiscal damages through liability in court similar to the Westboro Baptist Church, but we'd be no better than the Twitter mob if we tried those methods nor would that fix this in a timely manner.

Complete speculation, but I wonder if Cloudflare's issue isn't the BS threats they claim to have read on the farms, but one that was directed at one of their own from the Twitter side. The post from Matthew Prince was rather vague:

"However, the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before."

They could report it to the cops, capitulate now, and have law enforcement investigate. Or maybe it's the MTG threat they are required to address. Hard to say what the tipping point was with so many enemies, but if we hope law enforcement deals with it, and they actually do, it could be years before we see results. Years of debt the farms can't deal with.

 

[Land of Noz]

How is everyone accessing the site? I thought it was "taken down". I saw someone post a different kiwifarms address and clicked it and it worked. Is that address not supported by Cloudflare or something? Or does it just point to a different IP than the one cloudflare controls? Surprised that this addy hasn't been ddosed, that's why I didn't want to post the address

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Anyone with public info you don’t want out there? Call it an emergency life problem.

 

[Land of Noz]

This was a real disappointment. I thought Cloudflare had thicker skin than a few vocal Twitter idiots. Got to love the security company that runs when security work is needed.

Honestly, this is a really unique problem the forums hasn't seen: there's multiple parties, they are organized, and they have influence and resources the farms doesn't have (nor can get due to monetization issues). Some even break the law, but the farms is constrained to stay within the law.

This is the definition of anarcho-tyranny. Laws for thee but not for me. Enemies can literally drug and groom children, organize mobs to create fake accounts on here and post death threats, petition cloudflare to stop protecting the site. But if KF tries to do anything on it's own or go after the people attacking the site, all of a sudden it's a serious problem and just more justification for the site to be shut down

 

[Pillar of Autism]

How is everyone accessing the site? I thought it was "taken down". I saw someone post a different kiwifarms address and clicked it and it worked. Is that address not supported by Cloudflare or something? Or does it just point to a different IP than the one cloudflare controls? Surprised that this addy hasn't been ddosed, that's why I didn't want to post the address

afaik .NET is the one done by CloudFlare, .RU is done by by DDoS-GUARD

 

[FunPosting101]

I agree with the OP, fuck Cloudfare, they are a bunch of spineless little cowards.

 

[make_it_so]

How is everyone accessing the site? I thought it was "taken down". I saw someone post a different kiwifarms address and clicked it and it worked. Is that address not supported by Cloudflare or something? Or does it just point to a different IP than the one cloudflare controls? Surprised that this addy hasn't been ddosed, that's why I didn't want to post the address

The .net address is blocked. The .ru address is covered by a different service and still works.

Yet I have my worries about how long that will last - not least of which being the fact that it is a .ru address.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Imagine being a company and having 30,000 mentally ill degenerates calling your call centers, mobbing your social media, and destroying your public and business relations; costing your business 10s of thousands of dollars every day, and all you have to do is remove 1 website that makes you no money from your services. I would do the same thing if I was the company.

Tell me you are a spinless piece of shit just using more words.

 

[Kiwisee]

Let’s make a thread on Matthew Prince and his coworkers

 

[LaxerBRO]

My thought on the Cloudflare matter:

I came to to this site an atypical manner, namely when r/RightWingLGBT was banned. My politics are not what one would traditionally define as rightwing republican but more rightwing libertarian. But, as the years progressed I found my libertarian views more and more ostracized not from the MAGA crowd but from the left.

My values as shaped by my adolescents was to pursue truth no matter where it may lead, regardless of how much peer pressure is applied. This worked well for a while before resisting peer pressure was replaced with the nebulous community standards of contemporary social media. My dispassionate approach to most matters is being replaced with calls to participate in my two minutes of hate or I am viewed suspect. Worse, such slander and histrionics is being used to silence those that disagree with the politically correct narrative based on pure allegations. One cannot even question a belief before we are asked to adopt it save allegation of some moral defect.

Now, we see one of the few remaining bastions of what the old internet was under attack. While I hope this site can weather this assault, it seems that conditions are only getting worse. Currently, their are machinations in place to attack this site , in its current form, used specific portions of Russian law. As I sit here now, I am experiencing an unpleasant sense of Deja vu. I am sure many here have experienced it, this is the same feeling when the cowboy realized their was no more frontier. That an integral part of his self identity was dying. Those that come after him will never see the world as he saw it. They may read about the frontier, but rarely will it be from his experiences but from urbanites that seek to document it with through their lens.

Eventually, what I fear may come to pass. When most of the internet is a sanitized version of itself, akin to the transformation of Times Square from seediness to "stardom". Perhaps we will be like that cowboy in 10 years time, when their stories of frontier life sounds alien to a newer generation. They may know that society has changed and even wrong but they will have no way to convey this experience to other that are not like him. My fear is we become like him. While our opinions may be the truth they are relegated to fewer and fewer websites. Like the cowboy trying to find a saloon with people like him, websites that allow our extent of speech grow more limited as the years tick on. As this occurs, beliefs that threaten political correctness and the current favored group is push further and further out of public consciousness.

If this is every achieved, members of the general public may know that something is in fact wrong but have limited ways to actualize it. In the constant pressure of the paradigm to be accepted they may conform. Those that remain steadfast, well this is the fate that awaits them:

 

[Pringles Can]

All I wanted to do was laugh at weird retards who have less of a life then I do. And now I'm a war criminal according to trannies. Life sucks man. Life sucks.

 

[Sugriva]

The troon cries out in pain as it strikes you.

 

[Trianon]

The part of Cloudflare's statement that's most bizarre to me is how they almost justify KF's motives: "Feeling attacked, users of the site became even more aggressive."

• This is mind-reading.
• It's a weirdly intimate, anthropological view of a site they supposedly don't have to watch.
• It's also oddly sympathetic and almost seems to blame the "aggressive" rhetoric on Cloudflare's own inability to protect KF.
• Then we get: "Over the last two weeks, we have proactively reached out to law enforcement in multiple jurisdictions highlighting what we believe are potential criminal acts and imminent threats to human life that were posted to the site."
• It refers to "users" plural, and suggests the "rhetoric" over the past two weeks is responsible, not the one bomb post. And it doesn't suggest the worry was over harsh emails sent to CF but things that are on the site. So someone has given them a compendium of posts they believe are threats, some of which may have been deleted quickly, but maybe some of which are still up and are clearly not illegal or threatening.

It's really the worst PR statement I've ever read because it's so vague and takes no stance at all. If it really had to be pushed through legal and PR departments, they did a horrible job. It feels petty and personal instead of clear and cool.

 

[Dreamland]

I like how the old blogpost from the CEO also warned that whenever they previously banned a site (and promised to never do it again) they received a ton of government requests from china, iran, saudi-arabia etc. asking to ban other sites quoting the precedents that Cloudflare themselves had made. They will get to expect a new wave of these letters now that they shown to have failed to close the floodgates.

Personally i'm glad that MITMflare and their FBI handlers stopped sniffing the wire. CDN providers, especially ones that promise to protect you against DDoS attacks hosted within their own network are a blight on society and the more business they lose, the more decentral/distributed services become a reality.

 

[HonkyTonk]

Surely the twitter mob will not feel emboldened by this and try to deplatform another site they don't like. Surely.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Imagine being a company and having 30,000 mentally ill degenerates calling your call centers, mobbing your social media, and destroying your public and business relations; costing your business 10s of thousands of dollars every day, and all you have to do is remove 1 website that makes you no money from your services. I would do the same thing if I was the company. Kiwifarms will survive but these "activists" are already targeting other sites like 4chan, and I really don't see any ways to combat this other than solutions that, if spoken about, would get this website in more trouble. (perfectly nonviolent and friendly solutions of course)

Yeah paying a security company that will not protect you when it's most needed is an infallible business strategy.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

I was just thinking about how convenient the timing for all this chaos is... Right before a US mid term election. How convenient. Just like how Biden waited until now to make all that millennial college debt magically disappear.
Too convenient in my view. This site is deemed "dangerous" to the powers that be, because WE call their shit out.

 

[gata]

Not to go off topic, but can we honestly talk about that incident for a second? Mods and Null are absolutely right to punish fedposting (never give feds rope to hang you with), but Sig was very obviously joking. It was a retarded overreaction with clear political bias on the part of the feds.

If what Sig said was a credible threat, then so is every time someone posts the 4210 Wolfetown Rd copypasta and every time some Twitter tranny who wouldn't so much as give Richard Spencer a dirty look if they ran into him says "Punch a Nazi".

I don't mean to white knight Sig or whatever, but what happened with him points to a real problem: Government stooges are willfully ignorant of things like context, humor, irony, and site culture. They will never give any benefit of the doubt or leeway to anyone and will take shitposts 100% literally, which is why it is a terrible idea to give them any power over spaces like this one.

This why talking in minecraft terms is better for fedposting.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Does anyone have a good explanation of why troons have such outsized political clout?

Two part reasons.

One is the simple logistics. They really do almost nothing but sit online. This is why there are so many transgender mods in general. Online isn't a supplement to their life, it is central to their life.

Second is political protection. You can get away with a lot of shit if you are trans. I first noticed it with a certain tv debate where the transgender zoey turr threatened ben shapiro with bodily harm because he asked what her/his chromosomes were and everybody including host fell over themselves to defend the threat. The same person also did doxing and calling for harassment on twitter and the posts never got removed even after being mass reported.

Personally I experienced each of my new youtube channels got removed for the simple crime of having a pepe avatar a couple of years back. I kept trying new variations and it kept being removed. Until I just gave it a "transpepe" name and put a mrs pacman bowtie on its head and that one never got removed.

Transgenders are at the top of the progressive stack. They're ordained priests who have proven their commitment to progressive culture war by maiming themselves permanently. So you have multiple groups kowtowing to them. Those in charge see them as eunuchs that will do their bidding by virtue of necessity; there generally is no way back. The common folk fall into two categories of either being in blind denial or scared because they've seen what it's done to others.

The result is that these two groups together make it complete political poison for the left to oppose anything any transgender does (unless it's specifically to oppose leftist goals).

This also means it becomes attractive to be trans for the sociopathic the same way that politics, police or anything with a modicum of power attracts the sociopaths, but this barrier of entry is even lower.