Disaster Under Pressure, Security Firm Cloudflare drops Kiwi Farms Website - Noted LoTT doxer Taylor Lorenz weigh ins

SAN FRANCISCO — Reversing course under growing public pressure, major tech security company Cloudflare announced Saturday that it will stop protecting the Kiwi Farms website, best known as a place for stalkers to organize hacks, online campaigns and real-world harassment.
Cloudfare chief executive Matthew Prince, who this past week published a lengthy blog post justifying the company’s services defending Kiwi Farms, told The Washington Post he changed his mind not because of the pressure but a surge in credible violent threats stemming from the site.
“As Kiwi Farms has felt more threatened, they have reacted by being more threatening,” Prince said. “We think there is an imminent danger, and the pace at which law enforcement is able to respond to those threats we don’t think is fast enough to keep up.”
Prince said contributors to the forum were posting home addresses of those seen as enemies and calling for them to be shot.
Kiwi Farms launched in 2013 and quickly grew into a popular internet forum for online harassment campaigns. At least three suicides have been tied to harassment stemming from the Kiwi Farms community, and many on the forum consider their goal to drive their targets to suicide. Members of the LGBTQ community and women are frequent targets.
Cloudflare has faced broad backlash in the past week as a campaign for it to drop the service gained steam and widened to pressure paying customers to drop Cloudflare if it held firm.
Two weeks ago, Prince said the company stopped selling Kiwi Farms a $20 per month service to customize error messages shown to web users when its pages wouldn’t load. On Saturday, it withdrew the remaining free services, which fend off denial-of-service attacks and speed content delivery by making copies of the site in many locations.
Clara Sorrenti, a trans Canadian Twitch streamer known online as Keffals, launched the #DropKiwiFarms campaign after being targeted by Kiwi Farms posters for over half a year.
Forum users had repeatedly doxed Sorrenti and her family, posting addresses and more, and last month they called in false crime reports to draw police to her home. Sorrenti fled to Northern Ireland late last month, and within 48 hours users of the forum had pinpointed her location and she began receiving threats.
On Saturday, she spoke with The Post just minutes after police had arrived at her residence after another swatting attempt.
“There are countless people suffering because of this website,” Sorrenti said. “Kiwi Farms isn’t about free speech, it’s about hate speech. The majority of the content on the site is threads used for targeted harassment against political targets.”
Sorrenti’s campaign against Cloudflare went viral in the past several days, with organizations and influencers joining in the call to ban Kiwi Farms from Cloudflare’s service. The Anti-Defamation League called Kiwi Farms an “extremist-friendly forum that has been the breeding ground for countless harassment campaigns.”
In the interview, Prince said he was uncomfortable dropping Kiwi Farms despite its content and would have preferred a court order.
But he said it was an easier call than his previous decisions to drop neo-Nazi site the Daily Stormer and the 8chan website because those two were not hotbeds for specific violent plots.
Lorenz reported from Los Angeles.
This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

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[ToroidalBoat]

mainstream media

Seems to be like news under a communist regime as far as reliability goes now.

Although at least the old Soviet Pravda wasn't pushing endless woke hot takes.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Seems to be like news under a communist regime as far as reliability goes now.

Although at least the old Soviet Pravda wasn't pushing endless woke hot takes.

It's part and parcel of living in a society like the post-2020 Western world. The EU is already at the point of being akin to Russia or China what with getting visits from the police for questioning troonery or other acts of hate's peach. The US is headed there very, very fast.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The EU is already at the point of being akin to Russia or China what with getting visits from the police for questioning troonery or other acts of hate's peach.

And yet they "lack the resources" to go after actual crime, from what I hear.

 

[make_it_so]

And yet they "lack the resources" to go after actual crime, from what I hear.

"Alexa, what is 'anarcho-tyranny'?"

 

[CircuSphere]

It's not surprising this all started in 2016, because a bunch of feds bought the idea Trump got elected because of the internet, and they sent word to all their Big Tech allies about what had to be done.

This is the one thing I disagree with you on. It didn't start in 2016 it started in 2014. Just like the Desert Storm media coverage/push/campaign needed it's Panamanian shake down run two years earlier with coverage of the Panama city bombing and Noreiga, the Cathedral had a shakedown run of their internet smear/censorship campaign too. It's name was Gamer Gate.

The journos are so obsessed with it and remember it so well and compare everything to it because they were deep in it, THEY felt the pressure before normies on Twitter and Facebook because a soldier needs marching orders. They were fighting a war that had nothing to do with Trump for two years and then they seamlessly transitioned that war to the Trump front. GG was their test bed for exposing people to SJW politics, for forcing the message, for censorship, for smear pieces, TOS infiltrations... It was when the press stopped being adversarial and started circling The Message and it's all the same fucking people still trying to stick their necks into any last bastion of the old internet. The GG guys had these outlets and journo scum pegged before Trump was making the GOP primaries entertaining and haunting Jeb Bush's nightmares.

I don't mean to say that sweaty gamers were the first people in history to notice that the press are yellow but I think they were the first to encounter a modern web 2.0 media/PR war against a unified press class fueld by dark PAC money and hedge funds.

 

[AnotherPleb]

How come trannies have this much fucking say in society?

A lot of people in high places of power make a lot off of them and the fact that troons inevitably want to go after kids makes them a highly controllable asset. There's also the eunuch factor of 'you know this is is a freak and yet they can destroy you with ease' that allows the elites to humiliate the Forgotten Caste.

Feds def were involved! as i said, its a trojan move. keffals and co are the distraction, the upper guys are using the cloud of dust to tighten surviellance, because now, every sight using cloudflare must be aware that they are not only being monitored, but feds now have a backdoor and will shut it down the moment they decide to against anyone.
it will be interesting to see all these activists cry when govt structures flip to red and they turn these tactics on them, will realization hit them that a canadian may have helped screw them while they will not directly feel the consequences?

The activists have worked too hard on capturing those structures to even conceive that may happen.

This is how the west falls. Only masculine power modes (ie the shit hitting the fan) will stop it because the feminine power mode can be stopped only by mass violence (note to mods, feds and cloudflare, this is a philosophical musing and not a call to violent against anyone.)
If the pendulum swings back before the surveillance stuff is locked in we have a chance. Past that, it’s going to take something horrendous to sort us out. Rolling for a second carrington event…

The 2030 date takes on a far darker tone if the elites think that's when all the surveillance bullshit will be locked in.

This is the one thing I disagree with you on. It didn't start in 2016 it started in 2014. Just like the Desert Storm media coverage/push/campaign needed it's Panamanian shake down run two years earlier with coverage of the Panama city bombing and Noreiga, the Cathedral had a shakedown run of their internet smear/censorship campaign too. It's name was Gamer Gate.

The journos are so obsessed with it and remember it so well and compare everything to it because they were deep in it, THEY felt the pressure before normies on Twitter and Facebook because a soldier needs marching orders. They were fighting a war that had nothing to do with Trump for two years and then they seamlessly transitioned that war to the Trump front. GG was their test bed for exposing people to SJW politics, for forcing the message, for censorship, for smear pieces, TOS infiltrations... It was when the press stopped being adversarial and started circling The Message and it's all the same fucking people still trying to stick their necks into any last bastion of the old internet. The GG guys had these outlets and journo scum pegged before Trump was making the GOP primaries entertaining and haunting Jeb Bush's nightmares.

I don't mean to say that sweaty gamers were the first people in history to notice that the press are yellow but I think they were the first to encounter a modern web 2.0 media/PR war against a unified press class fueld by dark PAC money and hedge funds.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - there is a damn good reason that all the journowhores keep screeching about GG. They do not want anyone on the wrong side of history learning anything from Gamergate and what worked.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Dear Keffals,

If you are reading this, I hope you realize that your stinkditch that you call a “vagina” is actually an open wound. This open wound is highly prone to infection and you can’t let it close up, lest it ceases to accomplish what little it can do. You will be dilating for the rest of your days, so enjoy what little fame you acquired through trooning out. You will never be a real woman.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It didn't start in 2016 it started in 2014.

After Occupy was when wokeism really began, and the "GamerGate" circus seems to have been when wokeism started going mainstream.

By 2016, it was definitely Clown World - and in 2020, the riots "peaceful protests" and coronapanic made it go Mega Clown World.

 

[CircuSphere]

After Occupy was when wokeism really began, and the "GamerGate" circus seems to have been when wokeism started going mainstream.

By 2016, it was definitely Clown World - and in 2020, the riots "peaceful protests" and coronapanic made it go Mega Clown World.

Yeah I believe that. Occupy scared them enough to open their wallets to crush it and the press did a 180 on the protest. SJWism absolutely was weaponized to fracture the movement. SJW shit was mandatory when I was in college in the early 00s so it's not like that was new in either 08 or 14 or 16 but you can see IDPol putting down traditional labor politics very clearly at the end of Occupy.

I think Occupy scared them and they started moving toward the SJW, divide and conquer shit in response for sure. I think in-between 08 and 14 you had the press being bought out and outlets changing hands as print media tanked and then you have them rallying together on behalf of their mutual owners/investors and firing up the smear/censorship machine proper in 2014, which then becomes an integral part of the system in 2016.

Occupy = The impetus, GG = The shakedown run, MAGA = Circling the wagons/going all in.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Gamergate was "don't let a crisis go to waste" writ large as far as being a test run for the mainstream media and their SJW Mafia clique testing out their mass censorship apparatus prior to 2016 for deployment in the name of silencing criticism and scandals relating to Hillary.

Had they just fired Nathan Grayson, said "this was bad, we apologize for the lack of ethics on Nathan's part or for not vetting Zoe" and told him and Zoe Quinn to go radio silence for a year or two and that Zoe would get coverage again for her crap and Nathan a gig at another website once the heat died down, they wouldn't have red pilled normies and been able to spring their trap in 2016 to silence criticism of Hillary as planned.

But they just HAD to test out their censorship machine apparatus and it blew up in their faces and worse, everyone was ready when they tried the same thing with Hillary years later.

The 2030 date takes on a far darker tone if the elites think that's when all the surveillance bullshit will be locked in.

I've mentioned before, but 2030 is most likely when the economy will finally crash with no survivors not "locking down the surveillance state" deadline for vague reasons.

All sorts of tricks, force of will, lifepoints for MP point transference to spam "revive" spells, and duct tape/glue/band aids holding the economy will finally stop working in 2030 and the global economy will enter a new dark age of Gotterdammerung economic collapse on par with the crash of 1929. A crash that should have happened in 2008 but was held off by the above tricks and force or will and band aids, etc.

The elites are desperately trying to get their neo-feudalism in place before the crash happens so they can ride out Great Depression 2: Centennial Sequel edition. Because if they don't, then hell breaks loose and if the angry mob doesn't destroy them, then the second coming of fascism will as far as their reckoning is concerned.

Yeah I believe that. Occupy scared them enough to open their wallets to crush it and the press did a 180 on the protest. SJWism absolutely was weaponized to fracture the movement. SJW shit was mandatory when I was in college in the early 00s so it's not like that was new in either 08 or 14 or 16 but you can see IDPol putting down traditional labor politics very clearly at the end of Occupy.

I think Occupy scared them and they started moving toward the SJW, divide and conquer shit in response for sure. I think in-between 08 and 14 you had the press being bought out and outlets changing hands as print media tanked and then you have them rallying together on behalf of their mutual owners/investors and firing up the smear/censorship machine proper in 2014, which then becomes an integral part of the system in 2016.

Occupy = The impetus, GG = The shakedown run, MAGA = Circling the wagons/going all in.

Obama legalized propaganda in the US during his presidency and set up multiple slush funds to basically underwrite funding for SJW centric online news websites that kept them going long past the point when they would have normally gone out of business if left to their own devices.

While the propaganda law is still on the books, the slush fund money for SJW news websites had to be renewed and Trump fucked over those sites as he refused to renew their slush fund (hence the number of sites that shut down or had to cut their staffs to the bare minimum).

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Occupy = The impetus, GG = The shakedown run, MAGA = Circling the wagons/going all in.

So if tyranny remains in power, the woke cult could stay mainstream until the end of the world as we know it. Some future this is.

the press did a 180 on the protest

So press coverage of Occupy was originally favorable, then started vilifying the movement?

 

[MirrorNoir]

So if tyranny remains in power, the woke cult could stay mainstream until the end of the world as we know it. Some future this is.


So press coverage of Occupy was originally favorable, then started vilifying the movement?

Not really.

Most early day coverage from the left of Occupy was at best neutral or treating it as a novelty. Only a handful of people were 100% gung ho about Occupy (like Keith Olberman, who got into a public slap fight with MSNBC host Ed Schultz when Ed made fun of them.

The lack of organization and the fact that a lot of the protest sites turned into hippie communes where rape and drug abuse was rampant, made a lot of mainstream liberals resist going all in on supporting them. Especially since, while some acknowledge their necessity to try and wrestle the title of "champion of the working class" from the Tea Party, Occupy made Obama look bad by calling out uncomfortable truths about Obama and how he betrayed his base and was just another empty suit swamp creature. Things the DNC establishment wanted to silence because of the notion that "we need unity, not people within our own party putting Obama on trial for being a fraud!".

 

[CircuSphere]

So press coverage of Occupy was originally favorable, then started vilifying the movement?

Yeah IIRC (it's been like a decade and a half and I'm not that big a new junky) it was quite sympathetic and wishy washy in the beginning. Stuff like "These poor people have been so impacted by the housing crash that they are camping out here in the banking district." It was all very much framed as a reaction to the housing bubble bursting and I think the establishment thought "we should just feed them platitudes, throw fanny/freddy under the bus and it'll all blow over in a week when they get cold and tired."

Eventually they realized they were dealing with hardcore radicalized anti-banking types of the mostly traditional communist variety (shit even I was reading Zinn and Chomsky at the time) and organically through the growing popularity the movement it was heavily populated by unemployed left wing millennials fresh out of college, who all had SJW rhetoric installed in them. The biggest left wing grifters (or plants) in the bunch then used this rhetoric to wrest control of the movement and the press happily focused on thier nebulous and disorganized asides about race, gender and democrat policies (socialized medicine, gibs and the like) rather than the objectives of the movement which was thus subverted, dilutted and scattered. There is the whole Colbert 'Ketchup' interview which sort of captures the whole thing in a microcosm and is ironic because today he panders to the same people being caricatured in the sketch.

Not really.

Most early day coverage from the left of Occupy was at best neutral or treating it as a novelty. Only a handful of people were 100% gung ho about Occupy (like Keith Olberman, who got into a public slap fight with MSNBC host Ed Schultz when Ed made fun of them.

The lack of organization and the fact that a lot of the protest sites turned into hippie communes where rape and drug abuse was rampant, made a lot of mainstream liberals resist going all in on supporting them. Especially since, while some acknowledge their necessity to try and wrestle the title of "champion of the working class" from the Tea Party, Occupy made Obama look bad by calling out uncomfortable truths about Obama and how he betrayed his base and was just another empty suit swamp creature. Things the DNC establishment wanted to silence because of the notion that "we need unity, not people within our own party putting Obama on trial for being a fraud!".

God I would have been watching MSNBC *shudder* I do remember all the drug/crime rhetoric the press turned to in that transitional period between "These are just poor people who are mad and should be" and the copting. That "Aww we love you vote Democrat but you need to go now because you are making our advertisers angry." phase. I always thought a lot of it was exaggerated/the natural consequence of opening a hobocamp in Manhattan. The press never stopped stumping for Obama and I do remember the press grants he showered them with as you mentioned in your other post. The importance of gatekeeping and leadership can't be understated. The press will judge you by your worst elements and make them the spotlight if you don't drive them out first which is usually difficult because of false flags and nebulous communal borders (like a recent driveby fedposter). The press will elevate to leadership/the spotlight the most malicious/inept individuals they find if you don't elect someone yourselves. These are things that are inherent to all movements/orgs I think, they were all definitely true during GG and I think they were true during Occupy. Thanks to Null at least KF has a defacto, competent leader.

 

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I've mentioned before, but 2030 is most likely when the economy will finally crash with no survivors not "locking down the surveillance state" deadline for vague reasons.

2030 will have another more significant impact as it will be the near the end of Solar Cycle 25. With the Earth's electromagnetic field weakening and the Sun going quiescent again, bad juju might be in store in the form of an Above X-Class Solar Flare and then it'll be Adios Muchachos in the form of another Carrington Event. Its the starts/ends of the cycles we have to worry about.....

 

[I am vomit]

"Alexa, what is 'anarcho-tranny'?"

ftfy

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

This is the one thing I disagree with you on. It didn't start in 2016 it started in 2014. Just like the Desert Storm media coverage/push/campaign needed it's Panamanian shake down run two years earlier with coverage of the Panama city bombing and Noreiga, the Cathedral had a shakedown run of their internet smear/censorship campaign too. It's name was Gamer Gate.

The journos are so obsessed with it and remember it so well and compare everything to it because they were deep in it, THEY felt the pressure before normies on Twitter and Facebook because a soldier needs marching orders. They were fighting a war that had nothing to do with Trump for two years and then they seamlessly transitioned that war to the Trump front. GG was their test bed for exposing people to SJW politics, for forcing the message, for censorship, for smear pieces, TOS infiltrations... It was when the press stopped being adversarial and started circling The Message and it's all the same fucking people still trying to stick their necks into any last bastion of the old internet. The GG guys had these outlets and journo scum pegged before Trump was making the GOP primaries entertaining and haunting Jeb Bush's nightmares.

I don't mean to say that sweaty gamers were the first people in history to notice that the press are yellow but I think they were the first to encounter a modern web 2.0 media/PR war against a unified press class fueld by dark PAC money and hedge funds.

I think that's just a meme. And Gamergate wasn't the first SJW blitz. Feminist bullshit was already being pushed hard, the Trayvon Martin incident kicked off modern black supremacy at the end of 2012 (and BLM really took off after Ferguson in 2014 a few months before Gamergate), and the only reason the weird alphabet shit wasn't pushed was because they had to make LGBTs look normal so gay marriage would be legalized. Statistically we know buzzwords like "white supremacy", "social justice", "transphobia", etc. took off post-2012. I guarantee there were media smear campaigns against other targets pre-2014 (speaking of the internet era), so Gamergate would've just been a particularly notable event because they targeted something so petty.

BUT, Gamergate didn't really cause any major changes on its own. It was easier to talk about Gamergate in late 2014 then talk about how the Wuflu is a bunch of overblown bullshit, the vaccines don't work, and the 2020 election was rigged in late 2021. I think it just created a base of support for that censorship, where social media could increasingly lock their platforms down in the guise of "protecting vulnerable minorities."

 

[ToroidalBoat]

2012

So in a way, the world did end in 2012. The more sane world that was before, that is.

(at least it's still not a total doomer hell but it's definitely more crazy nowadays)

 

[Trust Me I Know]

Cloudflares clearly lawyer written statement may also have run afoul of the 2017 US Supreme Court Case, Matal v. Tam. That was the big one that says that hate speech is free speech. It's why Matthew Princes' lawyers spent so much time writing about an impending emergency. All that crap about horrific content was actionable on the face without it.

Yet in this same statement they also say law enforcement was not taking it seriously so they needed to take unilateral action. And they said Keffals pressure campaign was part of the motivation for their unilateral action.

Get a lawyer @Null . These fucktards have written a full blown cause of action in public. But for the love of christ don't ask nick rekieta for a recommendation. Nick isn't a bad dude, but this is not his area of expertise.

You need a lawyer familiar with cases involving the Western Union telegraph company, civil rights, corporate law and has the right to practice in the relevant jurisdiction. Hopefully you can find such a white elephant. If not...and it pains me, call Robert Barnes. He's represented you already, he's done cases like this, and this situation is Crack Cocaine for him.

Null vs. Keffals, Cloudflare, Taylor Lorenz, et al. The lolsuit to end all lolsuits.

 

[endomorphosis]

Null probably needs to ready the funds to sue. Passivity really has gotten nowhere. It's just allowed insane people to defame him, the website, publishing materially false things and so on.

For example Newsweek just defamed the website by saying Null refused to turn over information tied to Brenton Tarrant. That is a bald faced lie. Keffals has also caused the tort of Tortiois Interference by triggering a material breach of contract with cloudflare. Cloudflare even admitted Keffals was a major factor in them dropping service.

These people need to actually be called to the mat to answer for their wild claims. Nothing they say can actually stand up to Court scrutiny. It's a just a circle jerk tied back to Wikipedia.

I think you mean tortious interreference with a contract, or tortious interference with prospective business relations.
wrt Newsweek, I think that you would have to demonstrate actual malice, which would be hard to do, and only if they refuse a retraction.

Cloudflares clearly lawyer written statement may also have run afoul of the 2017 US Supreme Court Case, Matal v. Tam. That was the big one that says that hate speech is free speech. It's why Matthew Princes' lawyers spent so much time writing about an impending emergency. All that crap about horrific content was actionable on the face without it.

Yet in this same statement they also say law enforcement was not taking it seriously so they needed to take unilateral action. And they said Keffals pressure campaign was part of the motivation for their unilateral action.

Get a lawyer @Null . These fucktards have written a full blown cause of action in public. But for the love of christ don't ask nick rekieta for a recommendation. Nick isn't a bad dude, but this is not his area of expertise.

You need a lawyer familiar with cases involving the Western Union telegraph company, civil rights, corporate law and has the right to practice in the relevant jurisdiction. Hopefully you can find such a white elephant. If not...and it pains me, call Robert Barnes. He's represented you already, he's done cases like this, and this situation is Crack Cocaine for him.

Wasn't Barnes the one who accidentally gave all of Alex Jones' messages to opposing counsel, and didn't he try to steal money that was raised for Kyle Rittenhouse's bail, and convert it to his own personal use?

Why doesn't cloudflare drop twitter? There's members of the Taliban on there, Isis propaganda spread through Twitter, the leader of Iran uttered death threats against Mr. Rushdi, which lead to him being attacked. Why is kiwifarms responsible for whatever this is, while twitter isn't?

Because twitter is protected by the government, not only did they brag about using it for the "arab spring" protests, but the government agencies have been punishing Elon for even trying to buy it and make it into a free speech platform.

Hypocrisy is the modus operandi of Cloudflare and Matthew Prince.

https://archive.ph/zBNvl - Matthew Prince says he's "determined to never take down a site like Daily Stormer again."
https://archive.ph/jemgG - Matthew Prince feels torn dropping 8chan (Kiwifarms thread)

Compared to those two sites, I'm impressed he had to point to a deleted death threat as an "Imminent and emergency threat to human life" instead of his usual whining about "lawlessness" or getting butthurt over Daily Stormer saying Cloudflare supports them after Unite the Right in CVille. The latter is the real reason all three sites were removed, since Matthew Prince can't stand all the negative press and whining he gets from journoscum about hosting controversial sites.

Funny thing is that's essentially the same thing as swatting.

This is because of a thing called a "derivative shareholder lawsuit", if a shareholder can claim that bad PR has hurt sales, and that bad PR was the result of the executives, then the shareholder can sue the executives.

 

[oh no im late for school]

Wasn't Barnes the one who accidentally gave all of Alex Jones' messages to opposing counsel, and didn't he try to steal money that was raised for Kyle Rittenhouse's bail, and convert it to his own personal use?

no on the rittenhouse thing, that was his lawyer before barnes, same guy that had him taking pics with proud boys in a bar. barnes was part of the team right up until the trial and shat on that previous lawyer a lot on rackets' streams throughout the trial

edit: that lawyer was lin wood, also no on the alex jones thing, that lawyer was norman pattis