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They really do worship the Netherlands.
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If only there was some sort of enclosed transportation that takes no exercise to operate...
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They'll probably call him an amerifat and shit on him for sweating while on a bike because eurofags, especially the dutch, who are purfect bikechads who dont sweat. They also piss Heineken and shit stroopwafelETA to avoid a double post:
If only there was some sort of enclosed transportation that takes no exercise to operate...
DumbDude42
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just don't live in a place where it gets hot lol
also just don't live in a place where it rains hehe
the more posts i see from that subreddit, the more i am convinced that all their bike talk is just pure larp. in reality these people are basement dwellers who don't leave the house at all and get everything they need delivered straight to their homes by
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Funny how all problems with bike/transit-based infrastructure are handwaved away while any problem with cars instantly condemns the very idea of personal transport and is considered unsolveable.
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I can't think of any better vehicle for Burning Man than a car/big truck/RV.
- Nobody's going to bike for 100 miles in a literal fucking desert.
- Any construction would destroy the surrounding environment that people come there for, there's not even a road people drive on. This means no tracks or trams or (god forbid) HSR, and definitely no airports.
- Nobody's going to take the bus unless they can bring enough stuff to live comfortably on their own for several days (including some sort of shelter), and if you let people do that then your bus density goes way down.
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The real geniuses of reddit don't understand Burning Man is an annual event. It's not like that traffic of festival goers and staff is a common occurrence. Besides, that would make the event more memorable if you still think Burning Man is fun.
Markorian
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"Cars are bad for the environment, which is why we should replace them with urban hellscapes that cause a thousand times more environmental damage!"
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DumbDude42
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rich people have real houses with garages where their cars are safe. you won't find their porsches and lamborghinis parked out on the street.
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An elderly man that shouldn't be driving runs over a cyclist, killing him.
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I think we can all agree this was irresponsible. I know plenty of older people that refuse to drop the wheel, but it's not always that simple. In many cases, they don't have any family to drive them around, or they don't want to be a nuisance. It's not only "old man bad and stubborn." I'm not going to defend the driver, but of course reddit gets its panties twisted because hating on old people and cars are two of their favorite things now.
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I think we can all agree this was irresponsible. I know plenty of older people that refuse to drop the wheel, but it's not always that simple. In many cases, they don't have any family to drive them around, or they don't want to be a nuisance. It's not only "old man bad and stubborn." I'm not going to defend the driver, but of course reddit gets its panties twisted because hating on old people and cars are two of their favorite things now.
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The only thing these "protests" do is give people another reason to move the fuck out of cities and in to suburbs where you need a car.
If they actually cared about winning people over to their side they would be sticking bike route maps under the wiper blades and invitations to events and bike shops etc... Being an asshole and fucking with people's property is not how you influence people to your point of view.
Land of Noz
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So much to say about this. One, how many of these people realize that dense urbanism works in Europe not just because of how the cities were constructed centuries ago, but also because of demographics? The Netherlands is likely a nice place to live, it's also extremely white, and most of the people who aren't white are some kind of Arab or Asian person. You don't have a ton of blacks in Holland like you have in say France or the UK. Which should prompt the question, why do they always valorize Dutch cities and not French or British cities? They're all in Europe, all somewhat similar in size and scope. Maybe it's because you get videos of thousands of dark skinned teenagers rioting and stealing shit in the UK and you don't see that in the netherlands for some reason, just a thought.
Secondly, these people advocate big government solutions to infrastructure problems, which isn't 100% wrong, but then at the same time they lament the increasing size of vehicles and the fact that blind spots are much larger than they were in cars in 20+ years old. Apparently none of them realize that the reason for this is government mandated safety regulations. Cars have to have ever increasing crumple zones. This is why backup cameras are mandatory in any American car since 2013. Every car has a fat ass now because that makes it safer if some retard plows into you. Automakers could not make smaller cars with larger windows and greater visibility even if they wanted to.
Thirdly, when these people complain about single family housing and zoning laws, and advocate that everyone live in apartments, what they are actually saying is "you shouldn't own property, only large property management companies should own property, and you should rent from them". For people who claim to hate landlords, this is hypocritical.
The truth is that racial demographics and the extreme violence of the black population (in truth, a minority of black males in their teens and early 20s) make these urban planning concepts less than palatable to most Americans with common sense. For a great example of this kind of stuff in action, look no further than St. Louis. STL was a city that got fucked up and experienced extreme decline in the latter 20th century until now. The city of STL (which is small geographically) was over 800k in the 1950s and is down to 300k people today. This is largely because of desegregation and rising crime rates which incentivized whites to move to STL county and farther flung suburbs and exurbs. However, in the 1990s when STL still had about 400k people (keep in mind metro area today is over 2 million, but talking about urban core itself has value), the city leaders decided to build a light rail system to improve public transit and ideally make St Louis a more desirable place to live so that people would move there and citizen lives would get better. So they built the metrolink on existing but unused defunct rail lines. It has since expanded and is fairly extensive for a midwestern city.
But it's hard to argue whether or not it is good. Yes it provides an easy and affordable way to get around the city. But it was designed to be inclusive and equitable, and to serve the cities poorest people. And for what it's worth, it extends far outside STL city, into the suburbs of the wider metro. In the east it goes to East St. Louis (somehow even worse than regular STL) and Belleville, and in the west it goes all the way to Lambert Airport
What this means in practice is that poor young uneducated kids with a propensity for crime have a very easy way to travel the city even without cars. While everyone knows about the riots in STL in 2014 and 2020, there is also just random petty crime and gang violence. There are some nice parts of STL surprisingly, like "The Loop" which is a touristy street where Chuck Berry had a restaurant (he used to film women in the bathroom there) is actually fairly nice right by Washington University. Well, it's not uncommon for groups of black teenagers to get on the metrolink (which can often be ridden for free if no officer is there to check tickets) in East St Louis, ride it to The Loop, get out, run up and down the street assaulting people or robbing people, and then breaking the windows of shops and stealing shit.
That article goes into more detail, but this is not a one off, this is a frequent occurrence. I hate to sound like a redditor, but at the end of the day, this is why we can't have nice things. Public transit and walkable cities might be great in high income white countries like the netherlands or other parts of Europe, but in the USA it simply means that people who want to commit crimes now have an easier way to get to your neighborhood. Suburbs are not perfect, and have many problems, but at least for the past 50-60 years it's been possible to move to the suburbs if you want to avoid the urban crime. Zoning law changes and increased public transit may end this, and we might have another wave of suburbs and exurbs extending further out into rural areas in the future
Secondly, these people advocate big government solutions to infrastructure problems, which isn't 100% wrong, but then at the same time they lament the increasing size of vehicles and the fact that blind spots are much larger than they were in cars in 20+ years old. Apparently none of them realize that the reason for this is government mandated safety regulations. Cars have to have ever increasing crumple zones. This is why backup cameras are mandatory in any American car since 2013. Every car has a fat ass now because that makes it safer if some retard plows into you. Automakers could not make smaller cars with larger windows and greater visibility even if they wanted to.
Thirdly, when these people complain about single family housing and zoning laws, and advocate that everyone live in apartments, what they are actually saying is "you shouldn't own property, only large property management companies should own property, and you should rent from them". For people who claim to hate landlords, this is hypocritical.
The truth is that racial demographics and the extreme violence of the black population (in truth, a minority of black males in their teens and early 20s) make these urban planning concepts less than palatable to most Americans with common sense. For a great example of this kind of stuff in action, look no further than St. Louis. STL was a city that got fucked up and experienced extreme decline in the latter 20th century until now. The city of STL (which is small geographically) was over 800k in the 1950s and is down to 300k people today. This is largely because of desegregation and rising crime rates which incentivized whites to move to STL county and farther flung suburbs and exurbs. However, in the 1990s when STL still had about 400k people (keep in mind metro area today is over 2 million, but talking about urban core itself has value), the city leaders decided to build a light rail system to improve public transit and ideally make St Louis a more desirable place to live so that people would move there and citizen lives would get better. So they built the metrolink on existing but unused defunct rail lines. It has since expanded and is fairly extensive for a midwestern city.
But it's hard to argue whether or not it is good. Yes it provides an easy and affordable way to get around the city. But it was designed to be inclusive and equitable, and to serve the cities poorest people. And for what it's worth, it extends far outside STL city, into the suburbs of the wider metro. In the east it goes to East St. Louis (somehow even worse than regular STL) and Belleville, and in the west it goes all the way to Lambert Airport
What this means in practice is that poor young uneducated kids with a propensity for crime have a very easy way to travel the city even without cars. While everyone knows about the riots in STL in 2014 and 2020, there is also just random petty crime and gang violence. There are some nice parts of STL surprisingly, like "The Loop" which is a touristy street where Chuck Berry had a restaurant (he used to film women in the bathroom there) is actually fairly nice right by Washington University. Well, it's not uncommon for groups of black teenagers to get on the metrolink (which can often be ridden for free if no officer is there to check tickets) in East St Louis, ride it to The Loop, get out, run up and down the street assaulting people or robbing people, and then breaking the windows of shops and stealing shit.
That article goes into more detail, but this is not a one off, this is a frequent occurrence. I hate to sound like a redditor, but at the end of the day, this is why we can't have nice things. Public transit and walkable cities might be great in high income white countries like the netherlands or other parts of Europe, but in the USA it simply means that people who want to commit crimes now have an easier way to get to your neighborhood. Suburbs are not perfect, and have many problems, but at least for the past 50-60 years it's been possible to move to the suburbs if you want to avoid the urban crime. Zoning law changes and increased public transit may end this, and we might have another wave of suburbs and exurbs extending further out into rural areas in the future
Land of Noz
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Honestly this will sound gay but I think the best course at this point in the US is simply building better vehicles, and trying to make new suburban developments more walkable. Outside of dense urban cities (which is really just east coast cities like NYC and Boston, and then Chicago and San Francisco or Portland) literally everywhere is built for car traffic. What's the point of having a light rail to the suburbs if once you get off the light rail you have to walk a mile or two to a strip mall or wherever it is that you're going? If anything, smaller electric vehicles like scooters would be a good middle ground. Still, I just don't see Americans ever getting rid of cars, they are just too convenient at this point. What should happen is a synthesis of walkability and drive-ability.
One thing that isn't often mentioned by these "fuck cars" people is that Europe actually has significant investments in automotive infrastructure, in some ways more costly investments than we have in the US. Yes, we have lots of roads and surface level parking lots. But Europe and Japan have highly complex and expensive parking garages. There are city centers in Europe where there will be a car-less pedestrian plaza with shops and whatnot. But underneath that plaza will be a gigantic 100-1000 space underground parking garage. Japan has these too but even more compact, often using mechanical elevators to bring your car to you. These kinds of technologies are really the ideal solution. You can have your walkable pedestrian friendly city while still providing adequate parking space for commuters who drive into town. Of course though, such construction is expensive
One thing that isn't often mentioned by these "fuck cars" people is that Europe actually has significant investments in automotive infrastructure, in some ways more costly investments than we have in the US. Yes, we have lots of roads and surface level parking lots. But Europe and Japan have highly complex and expensive parking garages. There are city centers in Europe where there will be a car-less pedestrian plaza with shops and whatnot. But underneath that plaza will be a gigantic 100-1000 space underground parking garage. Japan has these too but even more compact, often using mechanical elevators to bring your car to you. These kinds of technologies are really the ideal solution. You can have your walkable pedestrian friendly city while still providing adequate parking space for commuters who drive into town. Of course though, such construction is expensive
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Can anyone recommend me the most crowded, American looking suburb, stroad, or whatever in the Netherlands? I want to perform a test and see how many of them get angry if I label it somewhere, America.
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Lot of places across the country for the last decade or so have laws that new developments must be accompanied by a sidewalk, often bike lanes too. Of course that's not enough for our bugmen but we already knew that.
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There's some hilarious posts where some of them realize that malls are walkable and car free:
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Most of the comments though are telling the OPs that they don't count because people can drive to them or because they're "souless":
There are over a dozen of malls in Amsterdam alone:
And yes, they are actual shopping malls, not mislabeled plazas.
Here is one literally in the urban core:
And one in a more traditional mall building:
This second one even has free parking!
And yes, they are actual shopping malls, not mislabeled plazas.
Here is one literally in the urban core:
And one in a more traditional mall building:
This second one even has free parking!
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I'm a bit late but Jason retweeted the declaration of victory over the dreaded hate site being shut down.
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KingLiberty76
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Lol, Lmao even
MS Paint Gigachad
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Off topic, but good! Let them think we're dead for good! They'll leave us alone for a while, or at least until some dumbass orders pizza for someone again