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[MrJokerRager]

No no, you forget to make them a non-binary asexual nullo otherkin, complete with hideous Mexican plastic surgery to look like a reptile or some other member of the animal kingdom.

Well, the Bay of Pigs and their assassination plans for Castro, including the one with an explosive cigar like something from the Looney Tunes, were all big successes. Doesn't matter how good your actual personnel are if the plan is shit. That, and if the CIA had actually pulled it off there would be so many glow-in-the-dark fingerprints nobody would be pointing fingers at literally everyone like what is happening now. Hell, for all we know it was the French Commandoes Marines who did this because crippling German gas supplies from Russia definitely serves French interests through more reliance on them and their nuclear power plants for electricity. Literally all we know at this point is that its most likely someone with a grudge against Germany and Russia, and as the meme goes, do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

Macron is trying to be a "peacemaker" and went as far as claiming on CNN that Putler's decision for war was sparked by the Kung Flu.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But how? The only division this would create is Germany maybe being mad at a Polish politician for celebrating it and the US for blowing it up. What would the point of division be anyways?

What would be the point of Russia fomenting division within NATO? Is that what you're asking?

Think about the question for a moment.

Russia would be getting European members of NATO to mistrust the US (and probably the UK) at a time when the NATO alliance is perceived by Russia to be it's most immediate geopolitical threat. It would be getting NATO to politically fracture at a time when it appears to be its most united in decades. Russia wants NATO to stop sending military aid to Ukraine. They cowed Germany by manipualating control of its energy supplies (something Germany brought on itself because they're retarded), but that doesn't raelly affect the rest of the alliance. If they could get NATO members to point fingers at one another over some issue, then that would mean they'd be less inclined to focus on a unified position against Russia.

Getting NATO to collapse into internal bickering and accusations, and maybe even to fall apart due to that mistrust, would be exactly why Russia would false-flag this sort of thing. They've got the motive, the opportunity, and a history of similar behaviour.

Based on Biden and Nuland's comments prior to the war, I'm more inclined to believe that it's the handiwork of the US. Kill NS1 & 2 and ensure that Germany doesn't fold to the Russians. Time will tell, though...

They got that, though. Nord Stream 2 never went live; the US killed it with their own heavy-handed diplomacy as the war started.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

What would be the point of Russia fomenting division within NATO? Is that what you're asking?

Think about the question for a moment.

Russia would be getting European members of NATO to mistrust the US (and probably the UK) at a time when the NATO alliance is perceived by Russia to be it's most immediate geopolitical threat. It would be getting NATO to politically fracture at a time when it appears to be its most united in decades. Russia wants NATO to stop sending military aid to Ukraine. They cowed Germany by manipualating control of its energy supplies (something Germany brought on itself because they're retarded), but that doesn't raelly affect the rest of the alliance. If they could get NATO members to point fingers at one another over some issue, then that would mean they'd be less inclined to focus on a unified position against Russia.

Getting NATO to collapse into internal bickering and accusations, and maybe even to fall apart due to that mistrust, would be exactly why Russia would false-flag this sort of thing. They've got the motive, the opportunity, and a history of similar behaviour.

The US is the one sending the bulk of military aid and money to Ukraine, we're the ones most responsible for the geo-political situation between Russia and Ukraine, there's no way the US Government, which is riddled with the decedents hardcore anti-Russian Ukrainians, is going to stop supporting Ukraine just because a pipeline blew up. Doesn't matter who blew it up. Given that NATO is, effectively, the US, Germany is good little vassal state, how is this going to lead to infighting? How would that infighting stop the flow of US money and material into Ukraine? Who benefits the most from Germany not having access to Russian gas?

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

What would be the point of Russia fomenting division within NATO? Is that what you're asking?

Think about the question for a moment.

Russia would be getting European members of NATO to mistrust the US (and probably the UK) at a time when the NATO alliance is perceived by Russia to be it's most immediate geopolitical threat. It would be getting NATO to politically fracture at a time when it appears to be its most united in decades. Russia wants NATO to stop sending military aid to Ukraine. They cowed Germany by manipualating control of its energy supplies (something Germany brought on itself because they're retarded), but that doesn't raelly affect the rest of the alliance. If they could get NATO members to point fingers at one another over some issue, then that would mean they'd be less inclined to focus on a unified position against Russia.

Getting NATO to collapse into internal bickering and accusations, and maybe even to fall apart due to that mistrust, would be exactly why Russia would false-flag this sort of thing. They've got the motive, the opportunity, and a history of similar behaviour.


They got that, though. Nord Stream 2 never went live; the US killed it with their own heavy-handed diplomacy as the war started.

The US Navy had a flotilla of ships only 18 miles from the blasts at the time. You saying the Russkies slipped in under the noses of the most powerful navy in the world and blew those pipelines without leaving any evidence that they were there? C’mon, man!

The US blew it, they told the German Govt beforehand that they were blowing it by “warning” them that it might get blown. The only ones “investigating” the site are the US and their lackeys.

I saw someone either in this thread or the happenings thread suggest a Russian false flag. I agree Russia has no reason to take out their own pipelines because that would be idiotic.

But if they wanted a reason to go nuclear? I don’t expect it to happen but they haven’t had a reason to go there until now.

No need to blow up the pipelines for a reason. They’ll have their reason tomorrow when Putin gives his speech announcing the annexation of the territories that voted to join this week and the Ukies then start lobbing bombs into those territories.

 

[tehpope]

KAMALA HARRIS: "The United States shares a very important relationship, which is an alliance with the Republic of North Korea."

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1575465283325657095

Bitch wtf.

 

[Pig Cups]

Ever been to Lt. Colonel Faggot’s wife’s Twatter? She’s almost as insufferable as he is.


These self-flagellating leftists work so hard to placate a deeply ill community whose standards on offense change by the minute. Yet, instead of seeing the futility in these maneuvers and walking away, they continue to tickle those female balls and deep throat that female shaft. Case in point: a tongue-in-cheek joke is a major transgression. It’s unlikely that they’ll realize this until they’re made to face the wall by troons who take offense to their mere breathing.

 

[Individualism Incarnate]

Its been mentioned here but environmental movements have been high jacked by climate change at the cost off all other issues.

How can you hijack that which you already control?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Better prepare your assholes, folks, Brandon's going in raw.

 

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Better prepare your assholes, folks, Brandon's going in raw.

Second straight quarter of negative GDP? Isn't this the third or fourth? Or is this part of the whole "lets just keep redefining recession until it's not us" thing?

 

[Thomas Talus]

Getting NATO to collapse into internal bickering and accusations

Is it really a collapse if that's where you were starting from?

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Second straight quarter of negative GDP? Isn't this the third or fourth? Or is this part of the whole "lets just keep redefining recession until it's not us" thing?

Nah, they've probably changed the definition of "Redefining" to exclude these activities. The appropriate sentence would be "Fact Checking the Fascist Deceptions to your wallet".

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

My money is on aliens.

Or the French.

 

[LurkTrawl]

What would be the point of Russia fomenting division within NATO? Is that what you're asking?

Think about the question for a moment.

Russia would be getting European members of NATO to mistrust the US (and probably the UK) at a time when the NATO alliance is perceived by Russia to be it's most immediate geopolitical threat. It would be getting NATO to politically fracture at a time when it appears to be its most united in decades. Russia wants NATO to stop sending military aid to Ukraine. They cowed Germany by manipualating control of its energy supplies (something Germany brought on itself because they're retarded), but that doesn't raelly affect the rest of the alliance. If they could get NATO members to point fingers at one another over some issue, then that would mean they'd be less inclined to focus on a unified position against Russia.

Getting NATO to collapse into internal bickering and accusations, and maybe even to fall apart due to that mistrust, would be exactly why Russia would false-flag this sort of thing. They've got the motive, the opportunity, and a history of similar behaviour.


They got that, though. Nord Stream 2 never went live; the US killed it with their own heavy-handed diplomacy as the war started.

They can just shut the gas off. No feats of mental gymnastics, regardless of how impressive they may be, are going to make that point not immediately render the idea that the Russian government would do something as idiotic as gutterballing one of their main bargaining chips nonsensical. I don't buy it.

 

[Overly Serious]

Hell, for all we know it was the French Commandoes Marines who did this because crippling German gas supplies from Russia definitely serves French interests through more reliance on them and their nuclear power plants for electricity.

Yes. But if there's any country that ought to know the risks of a depression ridden and demoralised Germany, it should be France.

Macron is trying to be a "peacemaker" and went as far as claiming on CNN that Putler's decision for war was sparked by the Kung Flu.

Macron refused to allow the breakaway republics who'd just voted to leave Ukraine (back in February) that they weren't allowed to be part of the negotiations between the Ukraine and the breakaway republics. He kept telling Putin that they weren't allowed to be part of it. Putin must have thought he was talking to a crazy person.

So Macron might be trying to play peacemaker. But he's spectacularly bad at it.

KAMALA HARRIS: "The United States shares a very important relationship, which is an alliance with the Republic of North Korea."

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1575465283325657095

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Bitch wtf.

When I see things like this it makes me think back to the Left's hyperbolic mockery of Sarah Palin for saying you could see Russia from parts of Alaska (which they had to rewrite to "from my porch" before they could even do that). Versus the daily slips from Senile Caligula and his deputy. I thought Trump had trouble with English. He's got nothing on these two.

 

[teriyakiburns]

They can just shut the gas off. No feats of mental gymnastics, regardless of how impressive they may be, are going to make that point not immediately render the idea that the Russian government would do something as idiotic as gutterballing one of their main bargaining chips nonsensical. I don't buy it.

Shutting off the gas makes Germany sad, yes, but it doesn't do much to destabilise NATO, which has been one of Russia's goals for some time now. Given how long Germany has decided to forgo access to Nord Stream 1 and 2 at this point, access to energy is no longer the bargaining chip it was before the war. False-flag sabotaging the pipes and letting NATO members throw blame at one another - which is what has been happening, even if just at a low level - creates a rift within NATO. Such a rift is desirable for Russia, as it reduces NATO's unity and reduces the coordination of support for Ukraine.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Shutting off the gas makes Germany sad, yes, but it doesn't do much to destabilise NATO, which has been one of Russia's goals for some time now.

Other than the results ending up pissing off the populace? I think that's a pretty destabilizing factor.

Given how long Germany has decided to forgo access to Nord Stream 1 and 2 at this point, access to energy is no longer the bargaining chip it was before the war. False-flag sabotaging the pipes and letting NATO members throw blame at one another - which is what has been happening, even if just at a low level - creates a rift within NATO. Such a rift is desirable for Russia, as it reduces NATO's unity and reduces the coordination of support for Ukraine.

So either the pipeline matters or it doesn't. If the pipeline is sabotaged and it doesn't matter then there's no reason to sabotage it in the first place. If it matters and is shut off then it causes the division as the outcome of it being on or off is the same either way. It makes zero sense to throw away a hefty actual bargaining chip for a perceived minor benefit that they're getting anyway from the pipeline not being on in the first place.

Put another way it makes even less sense as there's less on the table for a negotiated peace deal that would go in their favor as far as it being a bargaining chip goes. Having an offer on the table to leave NS1&2 alone in future conflicts would be worth just as much as the threat of turning it off, I'd think. As someone who really gives zero fucks about the Ukr/Ru war outside of how many tax dollars are being dumped into defending a country whose primary export is laundered tax money, it really just stinks of typical realpolitik bullshit from the U.S. gov. It makes no sense otherwise outside of strange leaps in logic like the one you've presented here.

 

[Overly Serious]

Shutting off the gas makes Germany sad, yes, but it doesn't do much to destabilise NATO, which has been one of Russia's goals for some time now. Given how long Germany has decided to forgo access to Nord Stream 1 and 2 at this point, access to energy is no longer the bargaining chip it was before the war. False-flag sabotaging the pipes and letting NATO members throw blame at one another - which is what has been happening, even if just at a low level - creates a rift within NATO. Such a rift is desirable for Russia, as it reduces NATO's unity and reduces the coordination of support for Ukraine.

There are several problems with your theory when put in the context of the massive leverage Russia has just lost. But I will address the argument you are putting forward itself. It depends on Germany believing that the USA did it. For that, the Russians need to not get caught. And has been pointed out several times, this is one of the most surveiled stretches of sea water in a location where the USA was literally carrying out naval exercises and diving and submersible drone exercises the very day before (likely when any charges were placed). During wartime.

You're starting your argument at the point of saying "this happened because I think Russia would gain X". (And disregardnig the massive cost of Y it incurs) .Take a step back and start at the point of how feasible it is that they actually do this and without a massive risk of getting caught.

 

[Thomas Talus]

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that an administration full to the brim with a bunch of True Believer enviro types would be willing to deliberately create a situation where Evil Gas gets pumped into the ocean in prodigious amounts.

 

[Qtinterval]

Shellback, my dude. Although they didn't make us do much of the hazing because Navy hazing barely registers on the Marine Corps scale of misery.

When we went out, we were with 3/8. Since that was the only infantry unit I recall being around aside from MARSOC, I just assumed it was a regiment. There were some Marines on other ships in the strike group but the carrier barely interacted with anyone else outside of vert reps.

Yea my first duty station had a SSgt friend who was stationed on the USS Missouri told me about it and showed me pics. Then when I went through on the Boxer it was nothin

Edit: autism getting tripped by lack of capitalization of SSgt.

 

[Matt Damon]

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that an administration full to the brim with a bunch of True Believer enviro types would be willing to deliberately create a situation where Evil Gas gets pumped into the ocean in prodigious amounts.

Don't forget that True Believers are experts at inventing a tortured justification for anything.

No amount of collateral damage is too great when you're the good guys fighting ontological evil.