YouTube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

I am not sure if he really counts but does the man of failed strategic game LPs to hour long PowerPoint presentations on military industry Perun count for this thread on history?

I’m not so sure. This guy sounds a little like that Binkov’s Battlegrounds channel (green puppet talking about military strength, hardware, numbers, and hypothetical matchups both historic and present). We seem to be in that overlapping audience, but they might be worth their own thread.

A military/strategy YouTuber multimedia thread may not be a bad idea (I would volunteer to write one, but I’m working on a travelogue/expat/(sex) tourist multimedia thread for Bald and Bankrupt and the like).

 

[GnomeofDoc]

I’m not so sure. This guy sounds a little like that Binkov’s Battlegrounds channel (green puppet talking about military strength, hardware, numbers, and hypothetical matchups both historic and present). We seem to be in that overlapping audience, but they might be worth their own thread.

A military/strategy YouTuber multimedia thread may not be a bad idea (I would volunteer to write one, but I’m working on a travelogue/expat/(sex) tourist multimedia thread for Bald and Bankrupt and the like).

I can give it a shot tonight I got nothing to do after work. There is a TON of potential for that as a thread just from the REALLY REALLY shit ones from text to speech Wikipedia bot, bad takes factories and general interesting channels that cover military shit.

And Perun is on a different side then Binkov. Kinda, Perun is very dry academic presentations and he works in the Australian military procurement space. While Binkov is more “entertaining” (if you like the content) with good enough research for the hypothetical shit.

First ever thread unless I am forgetting a dumb one that I made years ago https://kiwifarms.st/threads/military-defense-youtubers.129563/#post-12952094

 

[Slap47]

Uh huh...

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

CynicalHistorian being a smug ass. In other news, water is indeed wet.

 

[TheNazgulKing]

The section of the rebuttal where the dude criticized people who said the original video ignored that humans have colonized since civilization began and commented on why it's still important to talk about European colonization was a head scratcher. I agree with his first point, European colonization was unique in that it was truly global. There was almost no part of the world that wasn't touched by a European power in some way. That means that research into the subject, especially since it's incredibly recent, is abundant and a lot of people suffered comparatively.

But then his second point of why it should be discussed is the ideology, that Europeans knew enslaving and murdering was bad and had to justify it through dehumanization, is exactly how humans having been doing it for thousands of years. It's changed and morphed, for instance the Romans would be puzzled by the modern concept of European and enslaved people from all across the continent, but the part of the human psyche that pretends to be moral while doing heinous things was not invented by European colonizers. He also ignores that slavery as a concept was still widespread in parts of Europe, it was not magically outlawed across the entire continent and considered always a moral evil. The moral compunction Europeans had against slavery was always a religious one, and as a result Muslims were widely enslaved by Christians and vice versa, so it wasn't exactly a moral leap for Europeans to consider enslaving non-Christian natives an acceptable practice.

And funnily enough, the paper he cites only calls the Canary Islands modern Europe's first overseas genocide, not its first genocide, so he's misinterpreting things himself there.

Fun fact: Slavery didn't end because of a moral revelation. It ended because the Industrial Revolution made it possible to engage in large-scale farming without slavery or serfdom (Europe's polite word for "slavery").

 

[Foxxo]

Here we have Whatifalthist claiming that "hentai" and Chinese communism are spun of the same lack of soul.

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Bjorg: "Hilda, I'm home! How are my crops?"

Hilda: "I sold them, and spent all of the money on shoes."

Bjorg: immediately leaves to rob the wife-less Saxon priests

 

[JJLiautaud]

Potential History drops a vid on the surrender of japan, comes up with the galaxy brain take that it was both the atom bomb and the soviet invasion of Manchuria which the serious atomic bombing side has been arguing ever since this dumb ass debate showed up, and with the main debate being which was more important the atomic bomb or the invasion?

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Here we have Whatifalthist claiming that "hentai" and Chinese communism are spun of the same lack of soul.
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To be fair, Rudy started to corpse/laugh while he said that (so I think it was an on-the-nose zoomer-nihilism joke).

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Potential History drops a vid on the surrender of japan, comes up with the galaxy brain take that it was both the atom bomb and the soviet invasion of Manchuria which the serious atomic bombing side has been arguing ever since this dumb ass debate showed up, and with the main debate being which was more important the atomic bomb or the invasion?

I still think the Invasion of Manchuria thing is commie cope to try to steal credit for winning WWII. The Red Army had just began an offensive in China, the United States dropped the sun on the Japanese Mainland twice and was standing on Okinawa ready to invade with threats of dropping yet another nuke if Hirohito didn't cry uncle. I think it's fair to say which one was more important.

Also, those fucking wojaks in the thumbnail are utter cringe.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

Potential History drops a vid on the surrender of japan, comes up with the galaxy brain take that it was both the atom bomb and the soviet invasion of Manchuria which the serious atomic bombing side has been arguing ever since this dumb ass debate showed up, and with the main debate being which was more important the atomic bomb or the invasion?

PH uploaded a video? Maybe now he will actually fufil his obligations to his paying supporters (probably not)

So its just a fence sitting "japan surrendered for several reasons lol" video and nothing more?

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Monsieur Z got a new enemy now.

 

[KingLiberty76]

I still think the Invasion of Manchuria thing is commie cope to try to steal credit for winning WWII. The Red Army had just began an offensive in China, the United States dropped the sun on the Japanese Mainland twice and was standing on Okinawa ready to invade with threats of dropping yet another nuke if Hirohito didn't cry uncle. I think it's fair to say which one was more important.

Also, those fucking wojaks on the thumbnail are utter cringe.

Wojaks should've stayed on 4chan

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Wojaks should've stayed on 4chan

Whenever a 4chan meme gets co-opted by normies it's value instantly dies.

 

[Trig.Point]

Potential History drops a vid on the surrender of japan, comes up with the galaxy brain take that it was both the atom bomb and the soviet invasion of Manchuria which the serious atomic bombing side has been arguing ever since this dumb ass debate showed up, and with the main debate being which was more important the atomic bomb or the invasion?

It's better than the Shaun take, where he tied himself into knots trying to argue that Japan wanted to surrender since early 1945.

He had to ignore the Japanese Military attaches in Sweden and the USSR, being explicitly told not to discuss surrender. The Japanese military offered the Russians 'fishing concessions' around the Kurile Islands, in return for their assistance negotiating with the allies, and this was considered generous !. Even as late as June the Japanese thought they could hold on to Korea and Taiwan. Literally the only thing that ended the war was that the Emperor was able to get to a radio station.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Monsieur Z got a new enemy now.

Haven't watched the video but saw it recommended when I clicked on Rudy's/Whatifalthist's newest vid several days ago. Thumbnail boiled my piss hard enough I knew I had to stay away (will probably watch sooner or later anyway).

Historia Antifalis-erm Civilis finally uploaded his next part of the extremely intriguing Roman Octavian vs Antony soap opera. Generally good, but I keep getting a smug Redditor/YouTuber vibe while watching it (probably because his vids caused middling Redditor knowledge along with me know his biases). It's pretty darn good when he isn't trying to cater hard to post-Covid attention spans...

 

[Slap47]

Potential History drops a vid on the surrender of japan, comes up with the galaxy brain take that it was both the atom bomb and the soviet invasion of Manchuria which the serious atomic bombing side has been arguing ever since this dumb ass debate showed up, and with the main debate being which was more important the atomic bomb or the invasion?

Honestly, separating this on Military + Government lines is fair.

The bombs sapped the will of the civilians to fight and losing Manchuria broke the army.

Saying "the bombs" is abit silly since it was all of the bombing together that did them in. The firebombings killed far more than the atom bombs, and I would argue were far more cruel. However, the atom bombs were good in regards to giving the Emperor an out to preserve his honor in the eyes of the Japanese people.

The USSR contribution really should not be understated. Japan did not want to lose any home islands to the Soviets and would probably commit mass suicide before being occupied by them. More important however is that Japan had moved a huge chunk of its military-industrial complex to Manchuria to escape the bombing of all of their cities. They had just won a giant offensive against the Kuomintang in China and were probably insane enough to think they could keep fighting the war from there.

You see the exact same thing in Nazi Germany - all of the Germans keep fighting in the east and mass surrendering in the west. Lose to the Americans because they are at the very least humane people. Hirohito almost certainly made the bombs the focus to ingrain "we lost to the Americans" in the public consciousness.

 

[JJLiautaud]

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Honestly, separating this on Military + Government lines is fair.

The bombs sapped the will of the civilians to fight and losing Manchuria broke the army.

Saying "the bombs" is abit silly since it was all of the bombing together that did them in. The firebombings killed far more than the atom bombs, and I would argue were far more cruel. However, the atom bombs were good in regards to giving the Emperor an out to preserve his honor in the eyes of the Japanese people.

The USSR contribution really should not be understated. Japan did not want to lose any home islands to the Soviets and would probably commit mass suicide before being occupied by them. More important however is that Japan had moved a huge chunk of its military-industrial complex to Manchuria to escape the bombing of all of their cities. They had just won a giant offensive against the Kuomintang in China and were probably insane enough to think they could keep fighting the war from there.

You see the exact same thing in Nazi Germany - all of the Germans keep fighting in the east and mass surrendering in the west. Lose to the Americans because they are at the very least humane people. Hirohito almost certainly made the bombs the focus to ingrain "we lost to the Americans" in the public consciousness.

But without the political will to surrender to face down the military i dont think even the invasion wouldve been enough.

 

[Ishtar]

Monsieur Z got a new enemy now.

Alt history is unironically a serious threat to liberal cultural hegemony. Because it pierces the notion that the modern world is a more virtuous one or is fated to happen due to some teleology of "justice".

Contingency in history is something that I have found liberals and leftists absolutely do not like you to talk or think about. That isn't to say online communists don't fantasize about a successful Spartacist uprising or Soviet invasion or communist America-there are dozens of AH fictions on the net to this affect, but you don't see people getting upset over that do you?

 

[Foxxo]

Monsieur Z got a new enemy now.

Fredda is special.

Here he does an entire video about the 3% "myth", something no one except for his Ohioan neighbors and fellow Redditors ever heard of, misconstruing it as "only 3% of Americans supported the Revolutionary War"; and then he tacitly admits that only 3% of Americans were fighting in the Revolutionary War, about halfway through the video, but claims that it's actually 12% if you go off of the claims of people he personally dislikes.

Here he does a reaction video to Rudyard, where most of his sources against him that paint him as misinformed (and believe me, no one thinks he's super-well-informed) are actually text walls written by Redditors who don't understand nuance. My favorite is them taking objection to Rudyard saying "if they weren't in the West, MLK and Ghandi would've been shot", saying MLK was shot, when:

1. Both were shot.
2. Rutger obviously meant "shot by the government" and the writer doesn't get context.

Overall, he and his commenters seem like people who are very left-wing for their areas, who aren't aware of internet idiocy on their own team, and who just wanna take potshots. Oh shoot, I'm projecting.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Not to get too ranty but why is every online historian such a massive retard? TIK, Mark Felton, and Monsieur Z are looking like the few sane ones at the moment.