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Club Sandwich said:
ballistically, 7.62x39 is similar to .30 WCF / .30-30 and will certainly kill a moose with decent shot placement under 100 yards and a Kodiak bear in under 50-60 yards, again with good shot placement. do you want to be that close to dangerous game that is known to charge and regularly kill people / break into vehicles / small buildings rather than flee? humane hunting (with 1-2 shots max) for moose and Kodiak is typically done with a .30-06 at a minimum to penetrate the hide, fat, muscle, bone, pass through several organs, and expend it's energy ideally in the far side of the animal without exiting. i could see it with several shots at relatively close range with spitzer soft pointed 7.62x39, assuming all those shots are good shots. i think it wouldn't be humane though, and may not be legal with a semi-auto in that cartridge with a standard magazine.

if it's helpful, i found a .270 and 7mm-08 required a heavy bullet (around 175gr) at 150 meters or less for a clean kill. strange angles would often have little effect (big shoulders, thick muscles from quarter shots, et c) and result in a either a blood trail or a failed kill.
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Yeah- that's what I kind of figured. There's a bit of an "urban legend" where I live that there's one particular Grizzly on the outskirts of town who got shot point-blank in the face with 12 gauge Buckshot but survived (albeit deformed and freakish-looking) and is royally pissed off and continues to hunt down the odd Cheechako tourist and eats them to this day like the shark from Jaws. Is it a bullshit urban legend? Maybe- but do I want to take the risk?

Like I said- I paid for the AK half with cash and half on my credit card so I'm gonna focus on paying that off first- but I guess for a good "hunting rifle" I'll look at one of those surplus Turkish Mausers (which are apparently extremely cheap) or a Hakim- I've heard alot of good things about the 8mm round in particular. Probably shouldn't be too hard to replace the worn-out surplus stock with something prettier down the road, and if 8mm Mauser isn't going to take down a moose IDK what will.

Also, I just realized the two firearms I own are probably the most iconic (or generic) ones ever.... My carry gun, a M1911 (albeit a Double-Stack Para Ordnance P14-45) and now the milled AK. I know it's weird to use firearms that utilize both NATO and Warsaw Pact ammo- I can't think of that many national militaries that do that (Saudi Arabia? Brazil?) but organized crime groups and guerilla forces might.
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
firearms that utilize both NATO and Warsaw Pact ammo
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the M1911 was widely exported, adopted, locally manufactured under license or not in many many countries and pre-dates NATO by quite a ways. it's not as strange as you might think. if you're keen on taking moose (and maybe grizzly) consider a used rifle in 6.5x55mm Swiss. it's somewhat at the lower end of moose cartridges, but is quite successful at it with minimal fuss if you take your time and aren't taking bad shots. a used CZ 557 can be had for under $400 and the ammunition isn't terrible either. a 180 HPBT SGK at 2600+ ft/s in a .308 rifle will also do the job, but will be more velocity dependent if you're under 24" on barrel length or use a lighter bullet. it can very likely also require a follow up shot in winter months.
 
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Club Sandwich said:
the M1911 was widely exported, adopted, locally manufactured under license or not in many many countries and pre-dates NATO by quite a ways. it's not as strange as you might think. if you're keen on taking moose (and maybe grizzly) consider a used rifle in 6.5x55mm Swiss. it's somewhat at the lower end of moose cartridges, but is quite successful at it with minimal fuss if you take your time and aren't taking bad shots. a used CZ 557 can be had for under $400 and the ammunition isn't terrible either. a heavy SGK on a .308 rifle will also do the job, but will be more velocity dependent and will very likely require a follow up shot in winter months.
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Monday is always FHE (Family Home Evening) and Spaghetti Night in my household and honestly with the AK I was hoping to use it for home defense/SHTF and maybe hunt some Caribou- of which I could use the meat for meatballs for said Spaghetti Night.

But you go hunting for Caribou and there's always a big chance you run into a pissed-off moose or bear. I'll definitely take a look at the swiss caliber you mentioned, thanks!
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
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41gr of H4350 under a 140gr .264" HPBT is my pet load out of a Ruger No. 1. at 2750ft/s at a 22" barrel and has downed big horn and moose and brown bear reliably for me when hunting in the Sierra's. the Hornady GMX is pretty good too, and there's the usual suspects (Nosler, Norma, S&B, Barnes, et c) that have loaded cartridges as well as bullets for reloading if you're into it. hard to beat Prvi Partizan's SPBT which is very affordable for grab and go ammo.

as for 8mm Mauser, it'll certainly do the job, but much like with a .30-06, it's a military round adapted to hunting. i would stick with 180gr minimum (prefer 196/200gr) and it'll need reasonable shot placement as well, but it's a good start for grizzly and very adequate for moose. if you have the option, i will suggest going for a Yugoslavian Mauser over a Turkish Mauser - the Turks have a spotty record of care for these rifles and in my experience the surplus Mausers did not impress me for consistency. definitely examine before buying. Egyptian Mausers are also a decent option, just like the Yugoslavian.

be aware that a lot of 8mm Mauser ammo is underloaded, so read the box and make sure it has a velocity over 2800 ft/s for 150gr projectiles (typically a 24" barrel). the 170gr Hornady SST is excellent for brown bear and moose out to 150 meters, easily.
 
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Went backpacking with my ccw glock. Wished I didnt bring it until I head spooky sounds at night in my hammock
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
I just managed to snag a Arsenal SAM7R at a nice discount. For those of you unfamiliar- because Donald Trump was responsible for all ammo and firearm imports from Russia being banned, the Bulgarian-manufactured semi-auto AKM variants known as "SAM7R" are the only legal foreign-made AKMs you can get that are milled. Attempts have been made to produce American-manufactured AKs, but these are notorious for being poor quality on par with the drunken monkeys at Century and are almost always stamped.

My local "mom and pop" gun shop got a shipment of the SAM7s and were selling them at a discount, so while I had to pay half of it in cash and half of it with credit I am very happy to own one now- as there are pretty hard to get where I live and usually fly off the shelves when they are in stock. I eventually plan to replace the polymer furniture with Russian Birch wood lacquered to be a vibrant red color, and will install a Binary Trigger (while they are still legal).

The only caveat I have with this purchase is that apparently I have been told by neighbors and friends that 7.62x39mm (even 30 rounds of it) may not be big enough to take down some of the wildlife present where I live, namely Kodiak Grizzlies and Moose. Does anybody here have any experience hunting with an AK and can attest how efficient the round is against big and dangerous game?
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The SAM7 is great although it's becoming comically overpriced.

As for USA made AKs.... The ONLY ones worth a damn are the Gen3/4/5 and PSAK-103 models from Palmetto State armory. Even then their gen 1 and 2 guns were trash.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
The SAM7 is great although it's becoming comically overpriced.

As for USA made AKs.... The ONLY ones worth a damn are the Gen3/4/5 and PSAK-103 models from Palmetto State armory. Even then their gen 1 and 2 guns were trash.
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If you want an AK you should just buy the best one you can afford, even if it's a Zastava.
 
Club Sandwich said:
vaguely reminds me of the reddit pic of a guy that added a pic rail carry handle... to the top of his wish.com tactical scope rings. really the only similar thing was both were BRN-180 builds, but it stuck in my memory.
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I have seen some “amazing” builds on reddit. I just wish there were more gas piston ARs to choose from as they are a dream to shoot. I have a .300 AAC upper I need to put together but there is no point until that can is out of jail.
 
It appears that Glock is finally producing a firearm that is not a polymer framed striker fired handgun, they are now producing an Aluminum split receiver gas operated 5.56 rifle. It is apparently being trialed by the British Military alongside rifles from LMT and KAC. I assume that the rifle will come standard with the Suppressor of unknown manufacturer (looks to have a very aggressive flash hider endcap). No idea if the optics suite will be standard but could explain why P2's are unobtanium. Looks to have a QD mechanism for the handguard. Fully ambi controls

Nearly two years ago some Glock patents on a monolithic Barrel/Barrel extension and an Annular gas piston were discovered, No idea if this rifle incorporates those. Model name appears to be GR-115F.

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兄貴 Forevermore said:
I am curious as to what can go wrong, but I assume ND into the abdomen? Appendix carry/small of back worries me more.
Just carry in a boot...
Does anyone have suggestions on how to carry with a tucked shirt? Need to be at a formal event in a large city shithole.
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Very late , but I don't see any definitive answers. I use a phlster enigma holster/rig. It works off its own belt so carrying under a tucked shirt is simple, if anything it prints less that way. It has issues. The position of the gun isn't as consistent as with my regular aiwb rig and the leg leash needs to be adjusted occasionally. Its better than any belly band and more concealable than my regular appendix holster. Comfort wise there's tradeoffs. The gun is more 'out of the way' when performing regular tasks with the downside being that you have to keep the belt tight, which can cause irritation. I have their 'sport' padded belt replacement on the way and I'm eager to see if it improves this.

Can't discount the safety concerns with appendix carry, but most people will be muzzling themselves carrying iwb anyway and with aiwb you have a much better view of your holster, gun, and everything around them.
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
Like I said- I paid for the AK half with cash and half on my credit card so I'm gonna focus on paying that off first- but I guess for a good "hunting rifle" I'll look at one of those surplus Turkish Mausers (which are apparently extremely cheap) or a Hakim- I've heard alot of good things about the 8mm round in particular. Probably shouldn't be too hard to replace the worn-out surplus stock with something prettier down the road, and if 8mm Mauser isn't going to take down a moose IDK what will.
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Just be careful about what ammo you buy for 8MM, especially surplus ammo. Ethiopian has a reputation for hangfires/duds etc. Turk ammo is overpressured. As always new ammo/hand load tends to be the best option.

A nice postwar Yugo Mauser will not stear you wrong though.
 
AGPinochet said:
It appears that Glock is finally producing a firearm that is not a polymer framed striker fired handgun, they are now producing an Aluminum split receiver gas operated 5.56 rifle. It is apparently being trialed by the British Military alongside rifles from LMT and KAC. I assume that the rifle will come standard with the Suppressor of unknown manufacturer (looks to have a very aggressive flash hider endcap). No idea if the optics suite will be standard but could explain why P2's are unobtanium. Looks to have a QD mechanism for the handguard. Fully ambi controls

Nearly two years ago some Glock patents on a monolithic Barrel/Barrel extension and an Annular gas piston were discovered, No idea if this rifle incorporates those. Model name appears to be GR-115F.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=qIHCIGNEj0Ahttps://youtube.com/watch?v=PYTmqugLcnwhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=5X9OabWiSTI
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Finally some competition for SIG in the piston "AR" space.

I'll bet this Glock rifle has so many goddamn Glock only parts they'll only let Glock certified people work on them.

Oh and it'll cost $2500+ easy if it'd ever released to civilians
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Finally some competition for SIG in the piston "AR" space.

I'll bet this Glock rifle has so many goddamn Glock only parts they'll only let Glock certified people work on them.

Oh and it'll cost $2500+ easy if it'd ever released to civilians
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Isn't the HK416 also a piston AR?
SuperConglomerateWhale said:
Oh boy, another iteration of the AR-15!

I don't hate AR's, I would rather see something more unique than an AR clone with a gas piston.
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I'm not sure if we're going to get anything new for a long while tbh. It's a reliable and robust enough design, to the point where other militaries are dropping their current issue rifles for AR-modeled platforms, and militaries already using it probably find it easier to just upgrade the existing platform rather than retrain the military on a completely new one (hence the US Army going for SIG's AR-like design rather than the others). Could be wrong though, not an expert by any means.
 
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Went backpacking with my ccw glock. Wished I didnt bring it until I head spooky sounds at night in my hammock
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Something similar happened to me too. I was sleeping in a backpacking hammock and felt a snout sniffing in my back and nearly shit a brick. Turns out it was a curious whitetail. I was carrying my walther PPQ 9mm. I since got g20 in 10mm woods stuff.
 
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