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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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impossible to tell from the outside because we don't actually know the state of either army in terms of supply, manpower, morale, combat readiness, etc
Don't worry, neither do they.
someone posted vid showing russain conscripts training
morale seems to be high, the cameraman is laughing
Because it's best they can do in the worst situation that they find themselves in. Wait until they get to the frontlines.
 
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someone posted vid showing russain conscripts training
morale seems to be high, the cameraman is laughing

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Jesus you could probably get better soldiers by just drafting a high school ROTC class. The entirety of slavland should be doused in antabuse and maybe they'll stop being utterly retarded.

Ukraine should consider using booby trapped bottles of bottom shelf vodka as a tactic. Even if the Russians know they're booby trapped they'll be unable to resist the urge.
 
So every group is entitled to participate in struggle, either defensive or offensive.
And every group that attempts to lie they are not participating should be bullied out into the open, so we can understand what they want, in clear, without euphemisms and cowardice.
And where are links with your homophobia?

And where are any profits for you from taking part in this 'struggle'? All this blabla looks like generic propaganda for the normies, so that their are ready to sacrifice in defense of the ruling class in the next proxy culture war. Are you sure that the entire local anti-LGBT agenda is not just a bone given to a dog to distract him from real problems, for example: weaknesses in the social security system or poor quality of life in such a country?

Because it's best they can do in the worst situation that they find themselves in. Wait until they get to the frontlines.
Well, probably a better options was breaking leg before being drafted or refuse drafting and just go to jail.

Any of that gives higher chances to stay alive than charging against ukrainian forces.

Also... https://english.alarabiya.net/News/...ntries-condemn-Russian-annexations-in-Ukraine
...that crazy idea of taking Ukraine into NATO/NATO' with selected country had at least some supporters.

As I said before: Russia is in deep shit and in few years ruskies will learn how colonization looks like from te perspective of local tribes.
 
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Please restrain yourself. Your out-of-control homosexual lust is unsettling.
Not all of us are perverted, faggot biomass. Some of us are normal.
I am more preoccupied about one thing.
This is a Ukraine war thread.
How the FUCK are all of you fag spergs here, and all the anti-troon spergs in the other thread?!?
Ukraine is a socially conservative country, very much so. It fights purely based on an ethnic state basis, and on a nationalistic, territorial integrity reasoning.
It barely tolerates westoid gaytards and troon-enablers like you nerds seem to be (why are you on KF, it's anyone's guess...).
The war and social liberalism are NOT bound to each other.
Ukraine does NOT fight for westoid degeneracy nor social liberalism. It fights for the Nation and its People.
Ukraine is deeply conservative too, and by god, I hope that after the war it starts doing to fags the same it did when the westoid media was full of "wow Ukraine Nazis so fascist, OMG, wow, so bad, wow, so much gypsy camps dismantled, wow so much fags hunted, wow so sad" (lul).
WTF is wrong with you, and with the other dudes in the other thread, which think that this is a trad vs gaydisco war?
Are you all retarded, dumb, low IQ, dysgenic, or...?
 
Not all of us are perverted, faggot biomass. Some of us are normal.
I am more preoccupied about one thing.
This is a Ukraine war thread.
How the FUCK are all of you fag spergs here, and all the anti-troon spergs in the other thread?!?
Ukraine is a socially conservative country, very much so. It fights purely based on an ethnic state basis, and on a nationalistic, territorial integrity reasoning.
It barely tolerates westoid gaytards and troon-enablers like you nerds seem to be (why are you on KF, it's anyone's guess...).
The war and social liberalism are NOT bound to each other.
Ukraine does NOT fight for westoid degeneracy nor social liberalism. It fights for the Nation and its People.
Ukraine is deeply conservative too, and by god, I hope that after the war it starts doing to fags the same it did when the westoid media was full of "wow Ukraine Nazis so fascist, OMG, wow, so bad, wow, so much gypsy camps dismantled, wow so much fags hunted, wow so sad" (lul).
Yeah well from an outsider's perspective it looks like what Ukraine (Zelensky) is fighting for is the right to continue to launder money in a corrupt shithole for sitting members of the U.S. government.
WTF is wrong with you, and with the other dudes in the other thread, which think that this is a trad vs gaydisco war?
Some people give a shit about homos for some reason. I cannot fathom why anybody here would give a single shit if someone's homophobic, but you are leaning into crazy rambling territory about it, which is overshadowing the ultimately insignificant point you're trying to make.
I'm rather tempted to report you for lying, I tolerate contradictory discussion well, but I am intolerant to lies and smears.
If you reported someone for that there's a non-zero chance you'd be called a faggot by the mod who picked it up, otherwise you'll just get called a nigger for that.
 
Yeah well from an outsider's perspective it looks like what Ukraine (Zelensky) is fighting for is the right to continue to launder money in a corrupt shithole for sitting members of the U.S. government.
You really think Monke Tsar rolled into Ukraine because of muh money laundering? And that were it not for oligarch influence, Z would just drop his drawers and bend over?

Russia and Ukraine are neck-and-neck in terms of money laundering.


Putin is so corrupt that his net worth is inestimable.


Z may have a couple bands hidden away, but it's not even comparable. And he was a TV and movie star before becoming president, so he didn't get all that by being on the take.

If Z's mission in life were to run a laundromat for dirty money, he would have gotten the fuck out of Kiev when the US was like "We can send someone to pick you up."

The fact that he stayed put while the city was being shelled...

Like the other day someone said (and I nominated for random.txt) "We love Null more than your parents love you."

The Ukrainian people love Z more than Putin's parents loved him.

 
You really think Monke Tsar rolled into Ukraine because of muh money laundering?
No, and I didn't even remotely insinuate that.
And that were it not for oligarch influence, Z would just drop his drawers and bend over?
Yes.
Russia and Ukraine are neck-and-neck in terms of money laundering.
I don't give a shit, frankly.

Putin is so corrupt that his net worth is inestimable.
Cool. I don't care about him.

Z may have a couple bands hidden away, but it's not even comparable. And he was a TV and movie star before becoming president, so he didn't get all that by being on the take.
Even if I did care, I'm not about to give a single shit about anything coming out of that rag.
If Z's mission in life were to run a laundromat for dirty money, he would have gotten the fuck out of Kiev when the US was like "We can send someone to pick you up."

The fact that he stayed put while the city was being shelled...
Yeah, it's not like if he ran away he wouldn't be either fucked over by the people he's currently begging for more assistance, or killed by some pissed-off nationalist.

I wonder what Boris Johnson said to him that got him to get back with the war and abandon that peace treaty.
Like the other day someone said (and I nominated for random.txt) "We love Null more than your parents love you."

The Ukrainian people love Z more than Putin's parents loved him.

Hard fucking doubt. Nothing coming out of that war since inception has been propaganda, and the nigger got installed via a fomented uprising straight from the U.S. government. I have no way of knowing and more importantly nor do I care if his people like him, or hate him, but I'm not going to assume either until the dust settles.

I just want to know what it is that the U.S. gov and other world "leaders" can't afford to let fall into the hands of the Ruskies. Outside of that it's pretty obviously as I said already, if you're trying to get me to give a fuck you've failed out the starting gate as the torrential noise of government money falling into Ukraine as the price of everything is rising is too loud to concentrate on the minutiae.
 
Nothing coming out of that war since inception has been propaganda, and the nigger got installed via a fomented uprising straight from the U.S. government. I have no way of knowing and more importantly nor do I care if his people like him, or hate him, but I'm not going to assume either until the dust settles.
I assume you were heading for a double negative on the first sentence? To which I agree. Everything we've seen since January has been propaganda. However, the clip I showed was way the hell before the war and way the hell before he became president for real.

I think whether or not his people love him matters a lot to the outcome of the war.

I genuinely believe that the Russians thought they were going to be greeted as liberators.

If Ukraine had been an internally fractured state under a hated dictator, this war would be going in a different direction. But I suspect that this war will be horribly counterproductive for Putin in that if Ukraine was not unified before this, they will certainly be unified after this.

Z has the trust of his people, Monke does not.
 
If Z's mission in life were to run a laundromat for dirty money, he would have gotten the fuck out of Kiev when the US was like "We can send someone to pick you up."

The fact that he stayed put while the city was being shelled...
The fact that a fucking TV comedian has set such an example of physical courage and savvy wartime diplomacy may be the single weirdest thing about this war. At this point I half expect Zelenskyy to go down in Ukraine as some kind of folk hero, assuming he doesn't try to make himself dictator-for-life or something after the conclusion of the war.
 
I assume you were heading for a double negative on the first sentence? To which I agree. Everything we've seen since January has been propaganda. However, the clip I showed was way the hell before the war and way the hell before he became president for real.

I think whether or not his people love him matters a lot to the outcome of the war.

I genuinely believe that the Russians thought they were going to be greeted as liberators.
Neat. And yes I meant a double negative there.
If Ukraine had been an internally fractured state under a hated dictator, this war would be going in a different direction. But I suspect that this war will be horribly counterproductive for Putin in that if Ukraine was not unified before this, they will certainly be unified after this.
Hard to think of any internally fractured states, under a hated dictatorial government, who participated in and succeded in military endeavors. I'm sure there's no relevant examples from the 20th century...
Z has the trust of his people, Monke does not.
Hasn't he suspended elections and made dissent against the government illegal? Including making rival political parties illegal?

Doesn't sound like someone who's loved at all. Again, not that fucking any of that should matter to anyone who isn't Ukrainian or Russian.
The fact that a fucking TV comedian has set such an example of physical courage and savvy wartime diplomacy may be the single weirdest thing about this war. At this point I half expect Zelenskyy to go down in Ukraine as some kind of folk hero, assuming he doesn't try to make himself dictator-for-life or something after the conclusion of the war.
Well it's pretty easy to speak and act with such confidence if you think the entirety of the "West" including the U.S. is behind you. And to be frank some of what this nigger has said is just insane, particularly statements made past his """meeting""" with Boris that for reasons unknown to the public convinced him to turn away from peace talks.
 
Well it's pretty easy to speak and act with such confidence if you think the entirety of the "West" including the U.S. is behind you.
I don't know if that was the case, especially at the very outset. Remember that in the run-up, with the Russians having built up their forces at the border over the course of a year, Biden was talking about how "well, maybe a little bit of an invasion would be okay, wink wink," and it wasn't until the Russian advance foundered in the north that people realized this was going to be something other than a fait accompli where the Western powers could just throw up their hands and say "it all happened so fast, nothing we could have done about it." Only then did the Stingers and such start flowing in, because once there was a window where other countries could act to make a difference people would start asking uncomfortable questions if they didn't.

So there's a gap between when the shooting started and when Western support kicked in, and he didn't cut and run during that time. I'm doubtful that this was all some sort of master plan to trick Russia into overextending itself, and from that perspective he did do something commendable. I also don't blame him for taking a "leave no dollar on the table" approach since then, because this is an actual existential crisis for his people.
 
So there's a gap between when the shooting started and when Western support kicked in, and he didn't cut and run during that time. I'm doubtful that this was all some sort of master plan to trick Russia into overextending itself, and from that perspective he did do something commendable. I also don't blame him for taking a "leave no dollar on the table" approach since then, because this is an actual existential crisis for his people.
That'd be a fair take if it wasn't for the fact that he was embedded enough with the U.S. government to be actively hostile to attempts by Trump to get Burisma investigated. The guy was in the know and on the take, he had no reason to doubt he would get assistance and acted like it.

And FYI, since I do just want to say this, that Dave Smith guy was on Rogan very recently and while he missed a few things about this whole situation it was a decent interview with someone who kind of knows the history on this shit going back to the formation of NATO. If it hasn't already it's going to shoot a decent-sized hole in support for Ukraine in the american public.
 
Hasn't he suspended elections and made dissent against the government illegal? Including making rival political parties illegal?
Are you talking about the parties that were pro russians?
Yeah no fucking shit.
Also, what fucking elections? Their president terms are on five years and Zelenskyy was elected in 2019.
 
Are you talking about the parties that were pro russians?
Yeah no fucking shit.
Why would he need to ban them, I wonder, if they're not popular?
Also, what fucking elections? Their president terms are on five years and Zelenskyy was elected in 2019.
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According to news reports, the decree bans For Life, Left Opposition, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialists, Union of Left Forces, Party of Shariy, Opposition Bloc, Ours, State, and Volodymyr Saldo Bloc. All are suspended for at least “the period of the martial law.” This includes the second most popular political party in Ukraine after Zelensky's own Servant of the People party.
What fucking elections indeed. How the hell are you going to have an election if all other opposing parties are banned? Are you telling me the second most popular political party was pro-russia?
 
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