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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Yeah, and the only US president elected to a third term was FDR.

When your country is being shelled, telling the peanut gallery to shut the fuck up is common if not universal.

You don't need to be taking hits from behind your own lines.

And was he really actively hostile to Trump? Really?

My overwhelming sense is that he was like "No fucking way does my ass who was elected on April 21, 2019 need to be in the middle of a slapfight between the sitting president of the US and the former vice president of the US on July 25, 2019 over whether or not we're going to get $400 million in aid."

Dude hadn't even been in office for 100 days and this is happening.

Here's the declassified record of their phone call.


Sounds to me like Z is buttering Trump up pretty good.
 
and right now it looks like russia is in shambles, but we don't know if this is just a temporary setback caused by a handful of incompetent commanders, or if this actually means that the whole operation is on the brink of failure.
Considering the fact that Russia actually mobilized its forces and fast tracked those farcical "referendums", I think its safe to say that the latter is the case.
I think they are still in the race for and to hold the Donbass and maybe a chaotic suprise attack on Kiev.
There will be no surprise attack on Kiev. That bird flew away a long time ago. Ukraine is watching the border now; they will see any attack coming. Besides that, its obvious that Russia is already stretching itself thin holding on to the offensive line they have. Trying to attack Kiev again would be tantamount to strategic suicide.
Hasn't he suspended elections and made dissent against the government illegal? Including making rival political parties illegal?
What elections? In any case, its kind of hard to have elections in the middle of an invasion. And the only parties made illegal were ones that were known to be supported by Russia and pro-Russian (such as two COMMUNIST PARTIES). Nobody who actually paid attention to that thought it was anything else other than a thorough house cleaning.
 
Why would he need to ban them, I wonder, if they're not popular?
This is the dumbest take from Z niggers. What fucking sense would it make for any country to allow open fifth columnists sympathetic to the enemy you're at war with? I guess we should further shun the Germans for rounding up the commies in WW2 and giving them free lead, or the US for rounding up Arabs who were supporting towel terrorist organizations post 9/11 and giving them tickets to Cuba.
 
What elections? In any case, its kind of hard to have elections in the middle of an invasion. And the only parties made illegal were ones that were known to be supported by Russia and pro-Russian (such as two COMMUNIST PARTIES). Nobody who actually paid attention to that thought it was anything else other than a thorough house cleaning.
What fucking elections indeed. How the hell are you going to have an election if all other opposing parties are banned? Are you telling me the second most popular political party was pro-russia?
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Yeah, and the only US president elected to a third term was FDR.
Term limits were instated after he was elected a third time.
When your country is being shelled, telling the peanut gallery to shut the fuck up is common if not universal.
The second most popular political party is "the peanut gallery"? :story:
You don't need to be taking hits from behind your own lines.
From an election? What?
And was he really actively hostile to Trump? Really?

My overwhelming sense is that he was like "No fucking way does my ass who was elected on April 21, 2019 need to be in the middle of a slapfight between the sitting president of the US and the former vice president of the US on July 25, 2019 over whether or not we're going to get $400 million in aid."

Dude hadn't even been in office for 100 days and this is happening.

Here's the declassified record of their phone call.


Sounds to me like Z is buttering Trump up pretty good.

Of course he was buttering him up. Still doesn't explain as to why he'd need someone to threaten to withhold military aid to get an investigation going into corruption in his own country, what with being such a man of the people and all you'd think he'd want to nip that out immediately upon being brought to his notice. And am I really supposed to believe the most corrupt country in Europe's government didn't know what was going on, as well as wasn't in on it? The government that was brought in after a color revolution?
This is the dumbest take from Z niggers. What fucking sense would it make for any country to allow open fifth columnists sympathetic to the enemy you're at war with? I guess we should further shun the Germans for rounding up the commies in WW2 and giving them free lead, or the US for rounding up Arabs who were supporting towel terrorist organizations post 9/11 and giving them tickets to Cuba.
So would you think that the commies in WW2 Germany, or Arabs supporting the Taliban so popular that they're the second leading party in those scenarios? Makes a lot less sense in that context, if that many of your countrymen are "traitors", I question who really is selling out the country to whom.

And I don't think I should have to say it further but I don't give a single shit who wins the conflict, I'd be happy that it just fucking ends at all so taxpayer money isn't sent to this shitfest and nuclear war isn't a possibility. Ukraine wins, cool. Russia wins, cool. Give the winner a free McDonalds in their capitol.
 
I wonder what Boris Johnson said to him that got him to get back with the war and abandon that peace treaty.
Nobody was interested in that deal about neutrality of Ukraine.

Ukraine didn't desire a fake neutrality, Russia isn't interested in nothing less than all of Ukraine and West wasn't interested in any kind good ending of Russia.

Ukraine needs to integrate with EU and NATO (more the first), Russia still needs all of Ukraine and West is highly interested in smashing down a potential ally of China.
 
Nobody was interested in that deal about neutrality of Ukraine.

Ukraine didn't desire a fake neutrality, Russia isn't interested in nothing less than all of Ukraine and West wasn't interested in any kind good ending of Russia.

Ukraine needs to integrate with EU and NATO (more the first), Russia still needs all of Ukraine and West is highly interested in smashing down a potential ally of China.
Then explain to me why exactly it took Boris Johnson flying out to meet him to end talks. Or really even why that flight was necessary in the first place if it was all so obviously a charade.
 
@LurkTrawl

"Are you telling me the second most popular political party was pro-russia?"

YES.

At least half of Ukraine spoke Russian as a first language prior to the war, and many were sympathetic to Russia, if not outright loyal to it over Ukraine. Of course, since the war, all of that has gone out the window now. Many Russian speaking Ukrainians have abandoned the language and most are loyally fighting for their country.

Then explain to me why exactly it took Boris Johnson flying out to meet him to end talks. Or really even why that flight was necessary in the first place if it was all so obviously a charade.
Politics. Optics were important. The need to maintain the semblance that there were some kind of talks going on, even if the major players knew that talking was pointless. Its why Hitler insisted on reaching international agreements and at least paying lip service to them, such as the Munich Agreement, before he later went all in.
 
@LurkTrawl

"Are you telling me the second most popular political party was pro-russia?"

YES.

At least half of Ukraine spoke Russian as a first language prior to the war, and many were sympathetic to Russia, if not outright loyal to it over Ukraine.
Huh. Okay, I didn't expect that kind of blatant honesty about it. Nor did I expect that to be the answer in this thread so far.
Of course, since the war, all of that has gone out the window now. Many Russian speaking Ukrainians have abandoned the language and most are loyally fighting for their country.
:story:

Wait, so I'm supposed to believe that suddenly these people who were so loyal to russia that their political party had to be banned, have magically learned to love Ukraine and Zelensky now that they don't have representation in their government? I'm glad I wasn't in the middle of sipping anything when I read this.
Politics. Optics were important. The need to maintain the semblance that there were some kind of talks going on, even if the major players knew that talking was pointless. Its why Hitler insisted on reaching international agreements and at least paying lip service to them, such as the Munich Agreement, before he later went all in.
So tell me exactly what the optics are of a guy being flown over to have a chat with the guy engaging in a peace talk, then the peace talk ending and war resuming. Because to me that isn't "good optics" as I've pointed out already. Especially odd given that if they were just playing along in the first place for optics, why then declare that peace isn't an option anyway?

With Hitler he was planning to attack Europe I'd imagine, in this it's just Ukraine with western help vs Russia. I'm not getting the need for that kind of fuckery if you're not in a situation where you're involved with multiple fronts/nations being possible avenues of attack.
 
Wait, so I'm supposed to believe that suddenly these people who were so loyal to russia that their political party had to be banned, have magically learned to love Ukraine and Zelensky now that they don't have representation in their government? I'm glad I wasn't in the middle of sipping anything when I read this.
I mean, why are you shocked? Russia bombed their homes, raped their women and children, committed wholesale massacres of civilians, press ganged many of their "Ukrainian allies" into service as canon fodder, and have literally kidnapped whole populations and forcefully displaced them deep into Russia, with reports of them kidnapping children, separating them from their families. Mariupol was literally blown to rubble. Nobody in Ukraine wanted this war. Whatever goodwill Russia had amongst the people of Ukraine, its long gone now.

So tell me exactly what the optics are of a guy being flown over to have a chat with the guy engaging in a peace talk, then the peace talk ending and war resuming. Because to me that isn't "good optics" as I've pointed out already. Especially odd given that if they were just playing along in the first place for optics, why then declare that peace isn't an option anyway?
The optics for both sides are to say that peace talks happened. Period. That's all. Nobody expected anything out of them. The British PM was probably there for some other purpose, like to ensure Zelensky that the west had his back, which probably gave him the wherewithal to finally walk away from the talks, instead of just playing along.

I'm not getting the need for that kind of fuckery if you're not in a situation where you're involved with multiple fronts/nations being possible avenues of attack.
You are assuming Ukraine was the only potential target. Moldova was almost certainly the next target after Ukraine. After that, who knows what would have happened. And Russia's entire border is defined by frozen conflicts that Russia itself is partially responsible for perpetuating. This was never just about Ukraine, which is why Finland and Sweden are in the midst of joining NATO.
 
Then explain to me why exactly it took Boris Johnson flying out to meet him to end talks. Or really even why that flight was necessary in the first place if it was all so obviously a charade.
Probably something about financial and military aid.

Also, it is a silent agreement about two importantthings:

1/ shipping ukrainian grain from Odessa,
2/ transporting russian gas by pipelines in ukrainian soil (to Balkans, a minor thing).

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And... this shit is big if real.

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Yes, they are loans (on big interest) for buying equipment for mobiliks.
 
How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive? With Ukrainian troops probably overstreched due their new gains and Vatniks massing a formidable army of cannon fodder conscripts and fresh T90Ms in Belgorod I wouldn't say that this war is actually settled by now. Monke doesn't give a fuck about his army at this point, he just want's to keep his face and he doesn't want to stick to nookz. A suicide offensive in the Donbass, a zerg rush to Kiev with Belrussians and the last 10 Cruise Missiles - all supported by the Russian Air Force that goes full Unternehmen Bodenplatte - could actually be a realistic scenario. At least in my head.
The decision to mobilize was unpopular and if tens of thousands of conscripts die or come home crippled, it would create a lot of unrest. The best equipment Russia has left will go to the regular units, so expect heavy casualties among conscripts even if Putin doesn't throw them into a zerg rush. Lukashenko is already in a precarious position in Belarus and he has not prepared his people for war. However, there are rumors that Belarus may help train some new Russian units.

I think that the Ukrainians generally outnumber and outclass the Russians everywhere except the Kherson area. However, a Russian offensive is unlikely in Kherson because they are already struggling with supplies now that the Dnieper bridges have been blown up. That problem would only get worse if the troops advanced further and the supplies would have to be spread over a larger area.

The Russians have been attacking Bakhmut in the Donestk area for two months, but during the battle for Lyman, they apparently diverted Wagner units to reinforce the town that they absolutely didn't care about and didn't need. It's still unclear how many were encircled in Lyman, but Denis Pushilin himself confirmed at one point that the Z forces only controlled one road out of the town and that it was under fire by Ukrainian artillery.

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When the Russians throw their remaining veterans into losing battles instead of retreating to more favorable positions, I think that it says a lot about the current thinking in the Russian military leadership. In the Telegram post where Kadyrov talked about tactical nukes, he also criticized the whole Lyman debacle:

I have always said: there is nothing better than the truth, however bitter and hurtful it may be, but the truth. It's the only way to move forward. That is why I cannot keep silent about what happened in Krasny Liman.

The commander of the Central Military District Colonel-General Alexander Lapin was in charge of defense of this area. The same Lapin, who received the star of Hero of Russia for the capture of Lisichansk, although de facto he was nowhere near there. Lapin was also subordinated to the troops of the Western Military District.

The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LNR and other units at all the Limansk direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communication, interaction and ammunition supply. Two weeks ago, Major General Akhmat, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov, reported to me personally that our fighters could become easy targets. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, head of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, of the danger. But the general assured me that he did not doubt Lapin's military talent and did not think that a retreat in Krasny Liman and its environs was possible.

A week later Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers away from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How is it possible to manage subunits operatively, being 150 km away from them? Because of the absence of elementary military logistics today, we have left several settlements and a large area of territory.

It is not that Lapin is talentless that is a shame. It's the fact that he is covered up by his superiors in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would have demoted Lapin to private, would have deprived him of his rewards and would have sent him to the front line to wash his shame in blood.


This doesn't sound like a military that is able to go on the offensive. It would be very funny if Putin went full Stalin and purged the military.
 
Rumblings of major shit happening in Kherson, a big breakthrough.

Almost to much to believe, but this is coming from pro Russian sources and Ukrainian op-sec on that front has been excellent from the start which might explain the lack of hard evidence thus far.
I can't vouchsafe how reliable this channel is. But he seems to match many other sources. All reporting a major Ukrainian offensive in the South that would seem to be moving faster and harder than the Kharkiv offensive. 30_ Km advance in one day and rapidly moving to encircle the Russians in the northern section of the Kherson region.

Oh and everybody's favorite puppet Lukashenko is shrieking for Putin to nuke Ukraine. (mainly because Putin seems to be applying a ton of pressure for him to send the Belarussian Army into Ukraine, and he knows doing so would be his end.)
 
You are assuming Ukraine was the only potential target. Moldova was almost certainly the next target after Ukraine. After that, who knows what would have happened. And Russia's entire border is defined by frozen conflicts that Russia itself is partially responsible for perpetuating. This was never just about Ukraine, which is why Finland and Sweden are in the midst of joining NATO.

Right.

Putin doesn't want Ukraine. Putin ultimately wants to reestablish Russia as an empire. Ukraine today is another country in another couple years, if Putin gets his way.
 
Oh and everybody's favorite puppet Lukashenko is shrieking for Putin to nuke Ukraine. (mainly because Putin seems to be applying a ton of pressure for him to send the Belarussian Army into Ukraine, and he knows doing so would be his end.)
Belarus will send nothing after Russia just fucked Armenia in last clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh. He is scared about intervention/invasion from NATO countries and he is 100% sure that CSTO will not work in that case.
 
Belarus will send nothing after Russia just fucked Armenia in last clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh. He is scared about intervention/invasion from NATO countries and he is 100% sure that CSTO will not work in that case.
I get the impression that Poland has quietly told him that if his troops set foot in Ukraine then the Polish Army will opt to vacation in Minsk... and their is clearly nothing his Russian puppet master can do to protect him.
 
I get the impression that Poland has quietly told him that if his troops set foot in Ukraine then the Polish Army will opt to vacation in Minsk... and their is clearly nothing his Russian puppet master can do to protect him.
Poland is part of NATO and it will not invade Belarus or any other nation for Ukraine, Poland will only defend itself or act together with the rest of NATO, if decided as such.
Where are you guys pulling such takes from
 
Poland is part of NATO and it will not invade Belarus or any other nation for Ukraine, Poland will only defend itself or act together with the rest of NATO, if decided as such.
Where are you guys pulling such takes from
Because Poland hates the living shit out of Russia and its patsies. The Polish have an unquenchable thirst for Russian blood ever since they were conquered by Russia in the past.
 
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