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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Because Poland hates the living shit out of Russia and its patsies. The Polish have an unquenchable thirst for Russian blood ever since they were conquered by Russia in the past.
That's just a retarded, low IQ Russian propaganda take. In reality, each country has its own gruggs, perennially seething around 60IQ, always blaming the past for their own misfortunes and vodka abuse.
Besides these gruggs, that typically get shunned as the dumber brothers that you're afraid will fuck their sister when you're at work, there is a vast sea of normal people that desire peace, stability, diplomacy and prosperity.
NATO is a guarantee of territorial integrity for East Europe. We here might not love the Russians too much, but we also don't want to get sacrificed by GAE against it for Ukraine. We're sad for Ukraine and want it to restore its territory, but that does not mean we will allow some 5% bloodlust infected part of the population take any political decisions.
"Invading Belarus preemptively", lmao.
We're no longer in the 1800s. Things have consequences that could lead to world war and nuclear annihilation.
Poland won't do anything UNLESS attacked and/or UNLESS in collaboration with NATO.
I might add that Poland only STRICTLY, and very professionally defended itself when Belarus tried to infect it with nignogs at the border. The army is well behaved, trained and defensive, as it should be. Also Poland doesn't want land from Ukraine, or Belarus. And neither is Romania or Hungary. We want Ukraine in its international recognized borders, and peace, order and stability restored.
We're not fucking bloodthirsty savages, in average, and we refuse to be played as pawns of some dumb wannabe empire, east or west.
@secret watcher just MATIing everything that might lead to de-escalation and less hatred, great job psycho, should we put you on a haloperidol perfusion? You afraid that peace means less drama for you to absorb? Fewer dead bodies to look at? Awwwwwww.
 
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That's just a retarded, low IQ Russian propaganda take. In reality, each country has its own gruggs, perennially seething around 60IQ, always blaming the past for their own misfortunes and vodka abuse.
Besides these gruggs, that typically get shunned as the dumber brothers that you're afraid will fuck their sister when you're at work, there is a vast sea of normal people that desire peace, stability, diplomacy and prosperity.
NATO is a guarantee of territorial integrity for East Europe. We here might not love the Russians too much, but we also don't want to get sacrificed by GAE against it for Ukraine. We're sad for Ukraine and want it to restore its territory, but that does not mean we will allow some 5% bloodlust infected part of the population take any political decisions.
"Invading Belarus preemptively", lmao.
We're no longer in the 1800s. Things have consequences that could lead to world war and nuclear annihilation.
Poland won't do anything UNLESS attacked and/or UNLESS in collaboration with NATO.
Poland still feels the sting of the Soviet era, not just the 1800s. The Soviets joined the Nazis in oppressing them, then promised them that they'll help out with the Nazi problem, only to turn Poland into a Soviet colony. And all of that is less than 100 years ago. There are still people alive in Poland, people in important positions of power, who remember those Soviet days and despise it to their core. Do you really expect a Catholic nation to forget their enslavement to an atheist nation that now pretends to be Orthodox? Are you insane? This isn't Western Europe where Germans and Frenchmen are walking side-by-side, forgetting old grudges. Poland's media and leaders keep their memories of the Soviet and Russian occupation fresh in their minds, and they still despise Russia with the fiery hate of a thousand stars.
 
Poland still feels the sting of the Soviet era, not just the 1800s. The Soviets joined the Nazis in oppressing them, then promised them that they'll help out with the Nazi problem, only to turn Poland into a Soviet colony. And all of that is less than 100 years ago. There are still people alive in Poland, people in important positions of power, who remember those Soviet days and despise it to their core. Do you really expect a Catholic nation to forget their enslavement to an atheist nation that now pretends to be Orthodox? Are you insane? This isn't Western Europe where Germans and Frenchmen are walking side-by-side, forgetting old grudges. Poland's media and leaders keep their memories of the Soviet and Russian occupation fresh in their minds, and they still despise Russia with the fiery hate of a thousand stars.
I live in East Europe and know it well.
We do not forget anything. We are not stupid burgers and bongs. We understand ethnic conflict, but we also understand its consequences and dangers.
We have enjoyed the most prosperous, peaceful and cozy period of our history here, and we are starting to put grievances in the past. Hungarians and Romanians, maybe the worst enemies of the area, have an open border and there is no conflict anymore, Transylvania is host to millions of Hungarians and a truly European multicultural area, and it works fine like that, with all territorial claims and grievances in the past - being both part of NATO and EU works. Romania and Ukraine have solved diplomatically the Snake Island contested territory purely through talks and international mediation. Romania and Hungary are in talks with Ukraine so it stops trying to "Russify" the minorities still in it, without any violence. Russia has essentially stolen Romania's thesaurus and national treasure, and there will be no risking war for it. Even Serbia and Kosovo are trying to not chimpout to an all out war.
We keep all the memories, because we're always suspicious.
But we will also control the bloodlust, because that is a virtue in itself, and will only and ONLY defend ourselves.
Unlike Putin's Russia, we here are small states that are genuinely anticolonial and anti-imperialistic. We don't want anyone else's lands. We want to be left the fuck alone, as much as possible.
 
I get the impression that Poland has quietly told him that if his troops set foot in Ukraine then the Polish Army will opt to vacation in Minsk... and their is clearly nothing his Russian puppet master can do to protect him.
I doubt it. Poland may hate Russia's guts, but they wouldn't do that. Not unless they, or another NATO ally was actually invaded.

The first point you mentioned is enough of a reason for Lukashenko to not do anything. The guy may be a dumb lapdog, but even he knows that this war is a shitshow for Russia, and that his regime, and Putin's are both hanging by threads at this point, and to send in any actual troops would be suicide.
 
I doubt it. Poland may hate Russia's guts, but they wouldn't do that. Not unless they, or another NATO ally was actually invaded.

The first point you mentioned is enough of a reason for Lukashenko to not do anything. The guy may be a dumb lapdog, but even he knows that this war is a shitshow for Russia, and that his regime, and Putin's are both hanging by threads at this point, and to send in any actual troops would be suicide.
They'll still do anything short of waging war to support Ukraine. Monetary support, donations of arms, moral support, and so on.

Lukashenko might have done something if Russia's war kept on going good for them, but now that it's a shitshow, I imagine they'll try to decouple from Russia soon enough.
 
Glad the Farms are back and this thread is back as well!

It's been really long since the last time I posted here, to be honest, I never really had much hope in Ukraine as I thought they were doing a good job defending themselves but were eventually going to lose to Russia, however, it seems I underestimated Russia's abilities to mess stuff up.

Why do you guys think Russia is performing so poorly?
Hubris

Russia (and by extension Putin) believed that Russia was still superior to all its neighbors, overlooking improvements that had been going on in all those ex-soviet countries. Plus Russia had largely ignored how bad their military was equipped and commanded as it hadn't really been necessary for them to fight an actual war in ages.

Putin also had thought it'd be enough to mostly bribe the right people in Ukraine and then could enjoy just waltzing in and taking over, then had to deal with the shock that the people meant to do the bribing were too corrupt to even do it right plus Ukrainians had it in their interest to avoid being corrupted since it'd be more profitable in the long run to enjoy Western investments. It shows how Putin was stuck in the mindset that Ukraine was still as corrupt as Russia.

Russia's army is also just really poorly run at every stage. They rely too heavily on officers leading from the front because they can't depend on anyone beneath them being able to reasonably interpret orders and also have had problems with soldiers imagining the safest place to be was inside a tank so they weren't properly doing infantry screens and things like that. They ended up with lines of tanks driving down roads with zero protection that could easily have the lead tank attacked leaving everyone else helpless. This may have led to those cuck cages being placed on top of the tanks because they needed to let soldiers pretend they were doing something to improve their safety inside.

Then on top of everything else, you had Ukraine being supplied by the west who saw this as a great way to finally weaken Russia without having to endanger their own troops. All Western nations can stay ready to be involved if Putin is dumb enough to escalate by harming a NATO nation or by using nuclear weapons, while otherwise just relaxing as they sign off on sending more HIMARS to let Ukraine bomb whatever they feel like.

Ultimately the west is showing how economic strength translates into military strength, since they were even able to prevent Russia developing more weapons by cutting off their ability to purchase materials necessary for their production. So Russia is now forced to try and buy weapons from North Korea of all places.
 
I get the impression that Poland has quietly told him that if his troops set foot in Ukraine then the Polish Army will opt to vacation in Minsk... and their is clearly nothing his Russian puppet master can do to protect him.

Poland wouldn't unilaterally start a war and he definitely is aware of that.

The danger from forces within make it dangerous enough. The protests/riots of 2020 were no small thing, there's still a government in exile and arming a huge number of citizens to fight on the loosing side wouldn't be popular.
 
Poland is part of NATO and it will not invade Belarus or any other nation for Ukraine, Poland will only defend itself or act together with the rest of NATO, if decided as such.
Where are you guys pulling such takes from
What exactly gives you that idea. Poland is an independent nation. Free to take actions and make decisions outside of Nato. Nato has no veto powers over them. Heck Nato can barely keep a few Nato member states from open warfare with each other. Belarus is not under Russia's direct protection. It's certainly not something Putin would risk triggering a Nuclear attack over. and he lacks the ground forces to defend Belarus. Lukashenko is very very vulnerable at the moment. And he knows it. Putin couldn't even prevent the Armenian/Azerbaijan bloodletting from starting up again with his troops supposed to be acting as babysitter. Poland is a border state with Belarus. If they perceive a threat from any actions Lukashenko might take towards Ukraine they are perfectly free to act. It's just if Russia counterattacks there is no guarantee that Article 5 would be automatically tiggered. It doesn't mean it would not be honored by the rest of the Alliance.
 
We're no longer in the 1800s. Things have consequences that could lead to world war and nuclear annihilation.
So uh... Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine under dubious pretenses in an attempt to expand its empire? We're a bit beyond wringing our hands about consequences considering a nuclear power is currently attempting an active land-grab of a non-nuclear neighbor.
Heck Nato can barely keep a few Nato member states from open warfare with each other.
What do you mean, "barely"? Greece and Turkey shot at each other several times during the Cold War over Cypress. As to Article 5, I think the Finns might try and race the Poles to St. Petersburg just because. They are not a NATO member yet and as such aren't as bound by any of the terms of membership. The Russians took a lot of nice land from them in the Winter War and Continuation War, and while there's no real revanchist desire right now, I could see them trying to take a bite if the opportunity presented itself.

Of course, at that point the Chinese would just take Siberia under the guise of protecting it against Japanese invasion (lol), and Russia would be truly fucked since the Chinese do have nukes and I guarantee you some of those are pointed in Moscow's direction.
 
Poland is part of NATO and it will not invade Belarus or any other nation for Ukraine, Poland will only defend itself or act together with the rest of NATO, if decided as such.
Belarus isn't sure about that.
Poland wouldn't unilaterally start a war and he definitely is aware of that.
Belarus isn't sure about that.

Guys, it isn't important what will Poland/Germany/Lithuania/Burkina Faso do. The point is about what Belarus is afraid.
Poland won't do anything UNLESS attacked and/or UNLESS in collaboration with NATO.
"Guys, grab some toys and beat shit from Belarus. Nothing big you know, just some minor border clashes. This is great for election times, if you just kill some terrorists or other shit." - uncle Joe can said that and we will see some action.

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Russian submarine with da bombs on board was going to a trip, same class than former Kursk submarine. I have some strange feelings that more girls in Russia will be a widows.
 
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So uh... Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine under dubious pretenses in an attempt to expand its empire? We're a bit beyond wringing our hands about consequences considering a nuclear power is currently attempting an active land-grab of a non-nuclear neighbor.

What do you mean, "barely"? Greece and Turkey shot at each other several times during the Cold War over Cypress. As to Article 5, I think the Finns might try and race the Poles to St. Petersburg just because. They are not a NATO member yet and as such aren't as bound by any of the terms of membership. The Russians took a lot of nice land from them in the Winter War and Continuation War, and while there's no real revanchist desire right now, I could see them trying to take a bite if the opportunity presented itself.

Of course, at that point the Chinese would just take Siberia under the guise of protecting it against Japanese invasion (lol), and Russia would be truly fucked since the Chinese do have nukes and I guarantee you some of those are pointed in Moscow's direction.
I spoke with a few Finns on this matter during a business trip. The attitude is that any former Finnish lands are polluted dumps inhabited by the worst Russia has to offer that would be more trouble than it's worth. The only way Finland would be interested in taking land back is if they could genocide the Russians living there like the Czechs did to the ethnic Germans in the former Sudetenland.
 
I spoke with a few Finns on this matter during a business trip. The attitude is that any former Finnish lands are polluted dumps inhabited by the worst Russia has to offer that would be more trouble than it's worth. The only way Finland would be interested in taking land back is if they could genocide the Russians living there like the Czechs did to the ethnic Germans in the former Sudetenland.
You act as though that's off the table. What's Russia going to do, declare war on the Finns for pushing that scum back into Russian lands where they belong? Cry about ethnic cleansing and hope nobody brings up Ukraine? Nuke Finland and have their own country get irradiated thanks to wind currents? (No, that last remark isn't entirely facetious given Russia's past and present behavior.)
 
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The only way Finland would be interested in taking land back is if they could genocide the Russians living there like the Czechs did to the ethnic Germans in the former Sudetenland.
Let us be serious: Germans in Sudetenland was exiled, not massacred.

Also, a finnish/polish aim in such war with CSTO can be something other than regaining territories. Let we think... in example they just can desire destruction of enemies military bases or civil infrastructure. Or in case of Belarus changing local governemnt.

Also both cases (Finland and Poland) are very different. In polish case one must take in mind that:

1/ Poland is very loyal towards USA - they send troops in both Iraq and Afganistan and ever had own area of responsibility in Iraq,

2/ Poland still had some citizens and Poles without citizenship in Belarus near state border - a discriminated minority in number between 0,3 mln (Belarus give that number) and 1,1 mln (polish government says so) souls. That is from 3 to 12% of Belarus population are Poles.

So, it is possible to image a polish special military operation against Belarus? Well, why not? History is still on roll, so everything is possible.
 
"Guys, grab some toys and beat shit from Belarus. Nothing big you know, just some minor border clashes. This is great for election times, if you just kill some terrorists or other shit." - uncle Joe can said that and we will see some action.
>Russia threatens to nuke Polan
>Polan asks for art 5
Uncle Joe: "whoa there, art5 is only for defence purposes, maybe you shouldnt have started fighting Belarus? fix your own shit."
 
Let us be serious: Germans in Sudetenland was exiled, not massacred.

Also, a finnish/polish aim in such war with CSTO can be something other than regaining territories. Let we think... in example they just can desire destruction of enemies military bases or civil infrastructure. Or in case of Belarus changing local governemnt.

Also both cases (Finland and Poland) are very different. In polish case one must take in mind that:

1/ Poland is very loyal towards USA - they send troops in both Iraq and Afganistan and ever had own area of responsibility in Iraq,

2/ Poland still had some citizens and Poles without citizenship in Belarus near state border - a discriminated minority in number between 0,3 mln (Belarus give that number) and 1,1 mln (polish government says so) souls. That is from 3 to 12% of Belarus population are Poles.

So, it is possible to image a polish special military operation against Belarus? Well, why not? History is still on roll, so everything is possible.
Poland won't do anything because Poland is cuck central

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Man, its funny how many of those flags are Russian and German in origin. Almost like its needed to be spit-roasted in both ends at once by the notoriously massive Russian military and the notoriously capable Prussian military in order to force it to submit. Its not like the Germans were struggling to break through Polish lines in 1939 until the Russians sucker-punched that quote-unquote "abomination of Versailles" from behind. Or that in 1919 when the Germans were occupied with their own problems the Miracle at the Vistula happened and the Soviet military was sent running away like bitches. For a nation that's supposedly cuck central its got quite the history of the Russians and Germans doing everything they can to grind the place into dust whenever it tries to be anything more than a powerless buffer region between the two. I wonder what they're afraid of...
 
How high are the chances that Russians launch a successful counter offensive? With Ukrainian troops probably overstreched due their new gains and Vatniks massing a formidable army of cannon fodder conscripts and fresh T90Ms in Belgorod I wouldn't say that this war is actually settled by now. Monke doesn't give a fuck about his army at this point, he just want's to keep his face and he doesn't want to stick to nookz. A suicide offensive in the Donbass, a zerg rush to Kiev with Belrussians and the last 10 Cruise Missiles - all supported by the Russian Air Force that goes full Unternehmen Bodenplatte - could actually be a realistic scenario. At least in my head.
Belarus had been wracked with severe protests over a stolen election and living in a commie LARPER state. Rumors of Belarus joining the war directly were attended by equally strong rumors of military rumblings so any direct war as off. Why die for a failing dictators now? Belarus seems to be a missile launch site and logistics hub Ukraine hasn't attacked, which they done for a few Russian sites. Maybe some recruits, but even the Tuvans or Dagestanis are certainly saying hell no (like the suicide bomber father and effective rioters plus the mass exodus of Russian men perhaps fearing clause 7) and neither prisons or homeless shelters are enough
 
>Russia threatens to nuke Polan
>Polan asks for art 5
They didn't give a fuck last september when Azarbaijan make some noise with Armenia in proper Armenia (not NK). Why they will be more loyal towards Belarus?
Poland won't do anything because Poland is cuck central
They also have a long run tradition of going into trouble, like Warsaw Uprising in 1944: without nearly any weapons they make a uprising against the real nazis in own capital, when frontline was at least several weeks of fighting from them.

I would add that the front line was the German-Soviet front, where they did not see much of an ally in the USSR. Which did not change the fact that they expected the Soviet army to to give the insurgents real and measurable support.

Poles are also Slavs. Contrary to popular belief, the Slavs sucks in waging wars. Sometimes slavic countries just go into war.
 

The stress sigh at 0.26 in about sums up the mood of any pro-Russian source that doesn't have their heads entirely up their own asses right now.

Here's the guy he was talking to (a lot of people are suspecting he cut his own connection to stop the call) on Russian TV not two weeks ago proclaiming that Ukraine was running out of manpower (lol) and that the Kharkiv offensive only succeeded because half of the Ukrainian forces involved were comprised of "mercenaries".


Ukraine's continued success on the eastern front combined with the very obvious shit show of a mobilization that's supposed to turn it around is really starting to get under people's skin.
 
I was surprised to read that the FSB has its own (military) academy, thats used to feed the service. Also putin feared the army so spent decades purging anyone competent.
 
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