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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Why can't the western yuropids fuck butts and parade their axe wounds on the streets of Paris and Amsterdam, and leave us in East Europe the fuck alone?
Probably no-one in west is giving a fuck about Poland and Hungary, but from time to time hungarian and polish citizens are rioting to receive their economic, reproductive and personal rights back.

Maybye local governemnts aren't supported by local nations, who knows?

And, also - why are you still focused on something other than ukrainian war in this thread?
 
Russia could fight in Ukraine? Are you joking? Their army is collapsing. They've been forced to draft randos and prison bitches into their army. Their society as a whole is falling apart with many Z-retards who originally voiced support for the war picking up sticks and getting the fuck out.
You should actually pay attention and you would know that up until now it was mostly separatists and chechens fighting with Russians providing mostly support. Separatists took mariupol, Russians followed behind providing aid and cleaned up. I know americans are not really good at history but you might want to look up the amount of soldiers the russians were able to throw at people if they really had to. Russians never had a large standing army, their military budget is in the low 60 billion, they draft if they need men unlike the US who wastes almost 800 billion a year so a bunch of fat guard and reserve soldiers can claim their vet status by sitting around in a base for a decade.

That's like imagine America during the Vietnam War, but even worse. Way worse. Even if America peaced out at this point, Russia won't be able to retake shit. The most they'll be able to do is cause a bit of trouble on the border, but with how their army is now, they won't be able to make any serious gains.
Why vietnam? Just take Afghanistan as a recent example of american military failure. I have yet to see the american army fight an actual organized army and not just some brown people in sandals with third generation hand-me-down AK's. Americans are really good at fighting likes pussies, drone striking random brown people and then crying oopsie daisy when they blow up a wedding. The wikileaks videos show exactly how tough the US is.
 
Probably no-one in west is giving a fuck about Poland and Hungary, but from time to time hungarian and polish citizens are rioting to receive their economic, reproductive and personal rights back.

Maybye local governemnts aren't supported by local nations, who knows?

And, also - why are you still focused on something other than ukrainian war in this thread?
Muh rights!
I am focused on the war, specifically on YOUR lies and propaganda that this is a war for social liberalism and muh human rights.
It's the opposite sperg-end to the lies and propaganda that Ukraine is the gay disco "night club" where the West dumps its fags and troons, WHICH IT IS NOT.
I demand both sides stop being autistic and lie no more, and recognize the ethnic and national character of the conflict, as well as the primacy of nation states and borders.
If the lies stop, I'll be happy and cozy.
 
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Russian faggots die to UAV while blowing each other.
This is gold. I really struggled deciding how to rate it. Talk about a blowjob, heh!

I just hope all this ends before things get bad enough that I'm dragged out of my home to be sent to the front/prison. I don't want to flee the country in these circumstances, so I've got some backup plans in case things get worse before they get better. Not gonna lie, seeing rumors about Putin being possibly sick or someone attempting to remove him from power gives me slight hope that I know is false, but for momentary relief it'll do.
It's time for Russians to learn the word "No", I started using it and it's quite effective thus far. Enough is enough, fuck this cunt, he ruined enough lives already.
 
You act as though that's off the table. What's Russia going to do, declare war on the Finns for pushing that scum back into Russian lands where they belong? Cry about ethnic cleansing and hope nobody brings up Ukraine? Nuke Finland and have their own country get irradiated thanks to wind currents? (No, that last remark isn't entirely facetious given Russia's past and present behavior.)
Russia accidently getting it's territories bathed in radiation? Come on, like that'll ever happen.

I'm curious if the Russians figured out it was a bad idea to use graphite pencils onboard space stations before or after Graphite fucked them in Chernobyl.
 
Ah yes, the walls are closing in on Putin, i heard that for the last 5 months. Better send more money to the hohols to prolong a war they can't win.
You know what else I have heard for the last 8 months (and even before the war)?
That "Ukraine can't win".

Yet, here we are with Ukraine now pushing the Russians back on three fronts, while Russia is forced to pull T-62s out of storage and call up the conscript cannon fodder.
 
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Russians never had a large standing army, their military budget is in the low 60 billion, they draft if they need men unlike the US who wastes almost 800 billion a year so a bunch of fat guard and reserve soldiers can claim their vet status by sitting around in a base for a decade.
Not having a large standing army means you don't have a bunch of people sitting around that have been trained to perform their jobs well.

While Russia can obviously throw a ton of people out onto the battlefield, that doesn't mean they'd be useful there for accomplishing anything. Some of them are being handed rusted equipment or even no equipment which has reportedly caused some enterprising people to try offering loans to those poor Russians to get things like a first aid kits. While the US military does have a bloated budget, that budget ensures soldiers are equipped to be able to do what's asked of them.

Hell the US will spend a fortune just developing a pizza flavored MRE to try and make things a tiny bit nicer for soldiers (supposedly still tastes like crap but it's the thought that counts).

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You know what else I have heard for the last 8 months (and even before the war)?
That "Ukraine can't win".

Yet, here we are with Ukraine now pushing the Russians back on three fronts, while Russia is forced to pull T-62s out of storage and call up the conscript canon fodder.
Yet its not just Ukraine, its the entire western world funding Ukraine with the most retarded of them joining their foreign legion. The US alone sent more cash to Ukraine than Russias entire annual military budget.

I remember months ago "Russia will never capture Mariupol" followed by "Russia will never capture Kherson". Yawn. The combined forces already captured all the territory they set out to capture at the start of the war and more. The war would have already been over if it wasn't for the US / NATO fueling it.

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Just sit back and enjoy the NATO and EU funded inflation and skyrocketing heating prices this winter due to US Ecoterrorism.

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At least here in central europe we get reminded here and there what cheap gas could feel like
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Why vietnam? Just take Afghanistan as a recent example of american military failure. I have yet to see the american army fight an actual organized army and not just some brown people in sandals with third generation hand-me-down AK's. Americans are really good at fighting likes pussies, drone striking random brown people and then crying oopsie daisy when they blow up a wedding. The wikileaks videos show exactly how tough the US is
I get that you might be young, but you're missing out on a couple of fairly major conflicts in your rush to condemn the us as constant failure. Yugoslavia, for instance. Or the first Iraq war. It was a rout for the Iraqis, sure, but it was definitely a conventional war between relatively closely matched armies, at least on paper. The allies acquitted themselves well enough.
 
Not having a large standing army means you don't have a bunch of people sitting around that have been trained to perform their jobs well.

While Russia can obviously throw a ton of people out onto the battlefield, that doesn't mean they'd be useful there for accomplishing anything. Some of them are being handed rusted equipment or even no equipment which has reportedly caused some enterprising people to try offering loans to those poor Russians to get things like a first aid kits. While the US military does have a bloated budget, that budget ensures soldiers are equipped to be able to do what's asked of them.

Hell the US will spend a fortune just developing a pizza flavored MRE to try and make things a tiny bit nicer for soldiers (supposedly still tastes like crap but it's the thought that counts).

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The current Russian strategy seems to be hoping that the Uke's will run out of bullets before the Russian's run out of conscipt bodies. This isn't 1942 and would seem a bad bet.
 
Yet its not just Ukraine, its the entire western world funding Ukraine with the most retarded of them joining their foreign legion. The US alone sent more cash to Ukraine than Russias entire annual military budget.

I remember months ago "Russia will never capture Mariupol" followed by "Russia will never capture Kherson". Yawn. The combined forces already captured all the territory they set out to capture at the start of the war and more. The war would have already been over if it wasn't for the US / NATO fueling it.

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Just sit back and enjoy the NATO and EU funded inflation and skyrocketing heating prices this winter due to US Ecoterrorism.

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At least here in central europe we get reminded here and there what cheap gas could feel like
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We'll get past the inflation and hardships. Russia cannot be allowed to colonize nearby countries, this is not 1800s.
 
Since I mentioned it, I figured I'd put it here now that a clip of it has gone up.
Almost 3 million views now.
Dave Smith should stick to comedy. It looks like he copied all his talking points off of idiots on the Internet.
  • There was never a promise that NATO would not expand east. This was certainly not in exchange for the Soviet Union collapsing (as if they had a choice).
  • Smith says we should listen to Putin's stated words instead of believing what others say his motives are. But Putin's pretext is that Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis who are oppressing its people and committing genocide against Russians, and that the invasion is to "denazify" the country. The reason people don't take his explanations seriously is that they're preposterous.
  • Smith repeats this new conspiracy theory that BoJo's visit to Kyiv in February was to pressure Zelenskyy to not agree to a peace deal which neutralized Ukraine. Where's the evidence for this? On the contrary, Reuters reports that it was Putin who rejected such a deal, and anyway why would Russia accept Ukraine's promise to not join NATO when it could be reversed five or two years later? This isn't complicated; Putin wanted control of Ukraine and thought he could get it.
  • Does Smith think that Montreal is the capital of Canada?
Three million views for this crap.
 
I get that you might be young, but you're missing out on a couple of fairly major conflicts in your rush to condemn the us as constant failure. Yugoslavia, for instance. Or the first Iraq war. It was a rout for the Iraqis, sure, but it was definitely a conventional war between relatively closely matched armies, at least on paper. The allies acquitted themselves well enough.
If you can make excuses for the Iraq wars that were 100% based on lies i have a hard time understanding how retards in here can reeee about Russia.

We'll get past the inflation and hardships. Russia cannot be allowed to colonize nearby countries, this is not 1800s.

Hey cucklebert, nobody wants to colonize Ukraine. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe most know for exporting Escorts, Camwhores and surrogate babies, even before the war they were the poorest country. It wasn't Russia that expanded closer and closer to NATO countries, it was the NATO expanding closer and closer towards Russia despite ensuring them during the negotiations over the reunification of germany that they would not.

In other news.

Elon triggered some Uke Ambassador by daring to propose peace

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Does that mean no more Starlinks for the Ukes that Russians can capture and use as field tables?

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Since I mentioned it, I figured I'd put it here now that a clip of it has gone up.
Almost 3 million views now.

The only thing he forgot to mention is the reason for the western funded 2014 Euromaidan regime change. The US was really salty that Putin agreed to help Assad defend Syria against the US trained and funded rebels that later turned into ISIS. The US wanted to get rid of Assad so they can build their precious Qatar Pipeline through Syria, when they realized that its not going to happen they just helped the bandera fags overthrow the democratically elected President and installed a western puppet regime in Ukraine.
 
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If you can make excuses for the Iraq wars that were 100% based on lies i have a hard time understanding how retards in here can reeee about Russia.
Whether any of them were based on lies isn't relevant to the argument. You said:
I have yet to see the american army fight an actual organized army and not just some brown people in sandals with third generation hand-me-down AK's.
,,, and I pointed out that they have in fact done this multiple times within the last 30 years. I get that you're just a child that can't conceive of the world existing before your fifth birthday, but these things happened nonetheless.
 
We'll get past the inflation and hardships. Russia cannot be allowed to colonize nearby countries, this is not 1800s.
These people somehow think they're being reasonable by advocating for the appeasement of the openly aggressive dictator because of slight discomfort it causes them (compared to what people in the countries directly involved in this war are experiencing), even though it's largely a consequence of their own retarded policies, problem that such an outcome isn't going to solve.

All these attempts to disguise sucking off Putin as something it's not are laughably pathetic. This motherfucker is a failure, and so are they for having such a pozzed idol.
 
If you can make excuses for the Iraq wars that were 100% based on lies i have a hard time understanding how retards in here can reeee about Russia.



Hey cucklebert, nobody wants to colonize Ukraine. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe most know for exporting Escorts, Camwhores and surrogate babies, even before the war they were the poorest country. It wasn't Russia that expanded closer and closer to NATO countries, it was the NATO expanding closer and closer towards Russia despite ensuring them during the negotiations over the reunification of germany that they would not.

In other news.

Elon triggered some Uke Ambassador by daring to propose peace

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Does that mean no more Starlinks for the Ukes that Russians can capture and use as field tables?

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I don't understand why Russiaboo retards act as if NATO is some army taking over territories. It's a fucking voluntary organization. It's like Sams Club claiming fuckin' Costco is staffed by imperialists because people prefer signing up for memberships there so they can buy a 50lb bag of ravioli. Russias neighbors are not required to be Russias friend just because Russia feels like a lonely dork. Maybe stop trying to stomp every one of your neighbors into the dirt and people will be more likely to be your friend Vlad. Russia only has their entire history of existence trying to enslave all their neighbors to make up for.
 
Hey cucklebert, nobody wants to colonize Ukraine. Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe most know for exporting Escorts, Camwhores and surrogate babies, even before the war they were the poorest country. It wasn't Russia that expanded closer and closer to NATO countries, it was the NATO expanding closer and closer towards Russia despite ensuring them during the negotiations over the reunification of germany that they would not.

The only thing he forgot to mention is the reason for the western funded 2014 Euromaidan regime change. The US was really salty that Putin agreed to help Assad defend Syria against the US trained and funded rebels that later turned into ISIS. The US wanted to get rid of Assad so they can build their precious Qatar Pipeline through Syria, when they realized that its not going to happen they just helped the bandera fags overthrow the democratically elected President and installed a western puppet regime in Ukraine.
It's not East Europe's fault that it has beautiful women, while the westoid yurofats have monstrous obese blobs.
Yes NATO expanded too enthusiastically, but it's NOT NATO's fault that Russia is too poor, too mongoloid, too totalitarian, too corrupt to offer East Europe an alternative. Get better at gibs and propaganda and pump up that average IQ some, if you want to compete with the westoids, just calling them big satan degenerates doesn't do shit by itself especially when your trad soldiers get blown up while blowing each other. Ooops.
As for Bandera and Ukrainian ethnonationalists, keep seething.
Who do you expect to defend a motherland? "European citizen of the planet" shitlibs?
Libs are good only for gibs.
What you call a puppet regime is one that is able to push back against the largest country on the planet, even as it takes thousands of losses. Courageous and brave.
 
Whether any of them were based on lies isn't relevant to the argument. You said:
Yes it is, people reee about Putin using the the Ukrainian Nazis (of which there are more than retards like to admit) as an excuse to Invade, at least he didn't have some 15yo girl make up phony stories in a testimony or conjour up claims of WMD to invade a country.

,,, and I pointed out that they have in fact done this multiple times within the last 30 years. I get that you're just a child that can't conceive of the world existing before your fifth birthday, but these things happened nonetheless.
I didn't even respond to this retarded statement because claiming that Iraq had an organized modern military equal to the US is more than retarded.

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There was never a promise that NATO would not expand east. This was certainly not in exchange for the Soviet Union collapsing (as if they had a choice).
Yes there was, it was just not put on Paper, even Politifact admits that.
The source of controversy, however, is centered around statements made during the negotiations by Western leaders — particularly James Baker, the U.S. secretary of state, and German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher.
One key statement came during a Feb. 9, 1990, meeting between Baker and Gorbachev. After explaining why the U.S. wanted the reunited Germany to stay within the framework of NATO, Baker told Gorbachev that "if we maintain a presence in a Germany that is a part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO 1 inch to the east."
"I put the following question to (Gorbachev)," Baker recounted in a letter to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl. "‘Would you prefer to see a united Germany outside of NATO, independent and with no U.S. forces, or would you prefer a unified Germany to be tied to NATO, with assurances that NATO’s jurisdiction would not shift 1 inch eastward from its present position?’"
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I don't understand why Russiaboo retards act as if NATO is some army taking over territories. It's a fucking voluntary organization. It's like Sams Club claiming fuckin' Costco is staffed by imperialists because people prefer signing up for memberships there so they can buy a 50lb bag of ravioli. Russias neighbors are not required to be Russias friend just because Russia feels like a lonely dork. Maybe stop trying to stomp every one of your neighbors into the dirt and people will be more likely to be your friend Vlad. Russia only has their entire history of existence trying to enslave all their neighbors to make up for.
Which neighbors did Russia stomp into the dirt in the last 25 years while the US went around causing havoc around the globe? Saying that NATO encroachment doesn't matter is more than retarded, just like your Sams Club comparison. A better comparison would be you opening the door of your house to your neighbors aiming loaded weapons at you 24/7. NATOs capability of stationing missiles and missile defense systems directly at Russias border is an active threat.

It's not East Europe's fault that it has beautiful women, while the westoid yurofats have monstrous obese blobs.
Yes NATO expanded too enthusiastically, but it's NOT NATO's fault that Russia is too poor, too mongoloid, too totalitarian, too corrupt to offer East Europe an alternative. Get better at gibs and propaganda and pump up that average IQ some, if you want to compete with the westoid
Kek. Ukraine is almost twice as big as Germany and the poorest country of europe, poorer than fucking Moldova and you sit here talking about Russia being poor and corrupt.
 
I get that you might be young, but you're missing out on a couple of fairly major conflicts in your rush to condemn the us as constant failure. Yugoslavia, for instance. Or the first Iraq war. It was a rout for the Iraqis, sure, but it was definitely a conventional war between relatively closely matched armies, at least on paper. The allies acquitted themselves well enough.
Worth adding to your point.

In modern history the American Military has never been allowed to wage all out war. Even in Vietnam the Air Force contends they weren't allowed to do all that was in their capacity to do.

Additionally our military is not spec'd for fighting insurgencies and third world gorillas fighters. Our FBI and Policing forces would arguably be better at doing that as they train for dealing with civilian populations.

What the United States Military is very good at, designed for, and conditioned to do, is kill other armies completely. We don't build for Mohammad bin al Mohammad Assmad Ahmed Mohammad Ibn Sadam, we don't even really train for it. We build for "So you just sortied a bunch of SU-27's and think you get to go home tonight? Well sorry bitch if we didn't just sink your country's single Air Craft carrier that lives on diesel fuel and can only launch fighters with one of our eleven carrier fleets, you would still have to get through the stand still traffic that is the fifteen highways of death our Warthogs just caused, if you can find a beach our marines didn't just seize and avoid the Seal Team Snipers we enbeded in your forces. PS, don't bother calling home, we blew up your communications in the first forty five minutes."
 
Kek. Ukraine is almost twice as big as Germany and the poorest country of europe, poorer than fucking Moldova and you sit here talking about Russia being poor and corrupt.
All of East EU was destitute, yet with peace and the opening up of trade and diplomacy with the rest of Europe after the 90s, they have become richer and cozy.
Russia is a wannabe empire, it has to offer gibs that are proportional for its alleged "glory", Ukraine has no such pretensions, it just wants to be left the fuck alone so it develops the same way Poland and Romania and Bulgaria have.
Moldova would like that too, but the fucking Russians have destabilized that country and created yet another enclave of separatists that would demand muh human rights and protections from Mother Russia if Moldova wanted to go into the EU or reunify with Romania.
Don't sell me tearful minority stories when the border is nearby.
My ancestors have went through multiple population exchanges, so demographics can be maintained, so ethnic hostility decreases and peaceful, more homogenous societies emerge.
If you don't want to integrate in Ukraine or Moldova, LEAVE. Russia is nearby, bbye.
 
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