Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Reminder that in terms of the movies this is the ratio of Jedi to lightsabers that appear in Disney Wars:

TFA - 1 Jedi (Luke, doesn't even use a lightsaber or the force), 2 Lightsabers
TLJ - 2 "Jedi" (Jake and MaRey Sue) - 3 Lightsabers counting the flashback
TROS - 3 "Jedi" (counting Leia in the flashback), 3 Lightsabers
RO - No Jedi (Obi Wan mentioned in dialogue), 1 Lightsaber
Soylo - No Jedi (1 Sith), 1 Lightsaber

The Jedi are barely a thing in these movies. It's pretty silly how many people think that because the mainline films are about the force and have a Jedi protagonist they act as if every scene is the battle on Geonosis from AOTC and damn near every fucking character is a Jedi like in the prequels, when that could be further from reality. Most of the characters in Disney Wars are normal non-force using people. This is because Disney still thinks prequels bad and also because the writers of this crap are incredibly boring people who can't think of a way to make force users interesting.
 
Stop me if someone has brought this up. But since Andor is Empire era and involves intelligence is this a chance for Fagloni and company to rummage through Mike Stackpole's dumpster?
I doubt it, not because I'd put it past these creatively bankrupt charlatans to fall back to the EU like they always do, but because Stackpole's X-Wing novels might be too obscure for them to even be aware of. I say that because I've noticed that when it comes to Filoni and the rest of the village idiots that make up Disney Star Wars' creative leads, they tend to cherry-pick ideas from EU Media that have the biggest splash of influence...elements from Republic Commando being incorporated into Cabbage Patch clones, Kyle Katarn being recycled into Andor, etc.

The only people who have worked to recanonize or pilfer through more obscure elements of the EU are people like the folks at Fantasy Flight Games, who canonized characters like Soontir Fel for the tabletop game.

They're the only people who have read, or are likely even aware, of Stackpole's work. The only other higher-up who acknowledged similar knowledge was Patty Jenkins, but the plug's already been pulled on the X-Wing movie she was attached to.

...which, funnily enough, was going to mark the first real jaunt into post-Episode 9 territory in almost three years. Unless the canon sweatshop at Lucasfilm cooked up more worthless lore for their retarded Hotel that I'm not aware of that's actually set after 9.
 
I doubt it, not because I'd put it past these creatively bankrupt charlatans to fall back to the EU like they always do, but because Stackpole's X-Wing novels might be too obscure for them to even be aware of. I say that because I've noticed that when it comes to Filoni and the rest of the village idiots that make up Disney Star Wars' creative leads, they tend to cherry-pick ideas from EU Media that have the biggest splash of influence...elements from Republic Commando being incorporated into Cabbage Patch clones, Kyle Katarn being recycled into Andor, etc.

The only people who have worked to recanonize or pilfer through more obscure elements of the EU are people like the folks at Fantasy Flight Games, who canonized characters like Soontir Fel for the tabletop game.

They're the only people who have read, or are likely even aware, of Stackpole's work. The only other higher-up who acknowledged similar knowledge was Patty Jenkins, but the plug's already been pulled on the X-Wing movie she was attached to.

...which, funnily enough, was going to mark the first real jaunt into post-Episode 9 territory in almost three years. Unless the canon sweatshop at Lucasfilm cooked up more worthless lore for their retarded Hotel that I'm not aware of that's actually set after 9.

Fagloni pilfers Wendig and Grey's shit. That dumb black wookie they were all salivating over is a comic character.

Don't get me wrong, I hope they don't. But even if they don't one for one lift her, they'll steal the stories. They stole Boba Fett being resurrected, Dark Empire clone Palpatine, and all manner of things.

Hell, I think they like stealing obscure things because then they both get hailed as heroes for rescuing these obscure classics from the dumpster (that they chucked them in) and including them in their awful fanfic.
 
The unpublished novel, Alien Exodus would have established that humans were brought to the Star Wars galaxy from Earth in the 25th century via a cosmic whirlpool that would have also sent them back billions of years in the past.
That was never even legends canon. I always liked Legends' explanation that humans were indigenous to Coruscant(albeit this wasn't really set in stone until late in the EU).
 
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they tend to cherry-pick ideas from EU Media that have the biggest splash of influence
I dunno where Stackpole's books specifically tie in but aren't there kind of a lot of X-Wing/Rogue Squadron properties? Some of which were kind of a big deal, too. I'm not rooting for it in particular but now that I think of it I wouldn't at all mind em going back to the classic-style spess dogfighting well.

It's pretty silly how many people think that because the mainline films are about the force and have a Jedi protagonist they act as if every scene is the battle on Geonosis from AOTC and damn near every fucking character is a Jedi like in the prequels, when that could be further from reality.
Literally nobody thinks that dude, we've all seen the movies. But there's a big difference from the blank slate of the original trilogy to the sterile stink of the prequels still being all over everything even when they made a point of trying to hit similar beats. It's no longer a mystery; when characters jack off over Jedi we now know they're talking about a skin-deep "religion" of faggots and posturing morons who sit around in council rooms being thick assholes.
 
I dunno where Stackpole's books specifically tie in but aren't there kind of a lot of X-Wing/Rogue Squadron properties? Some of which were kind of a big deal, too. I'm not rooting for it in particular but now that I think of it I wouldn't at all mind em going back to the classic-style spess dogfighting well.
Stackpole's novels were greenlit to synergize with the release of the X-Wing game on PC in 1993, but I don't believe it's narratively connected in anyway.

As for the current canon offerings, there already are two properties that prioritize dogfighting and pilots--they were the Alphabet Squadron novels and the Squadrons game, and both were absolutely horrendous.

Not least of which because the novels do what all Disney media does, and makes laughable attempts to diminish the old heroes in an attempt to prop up their own OC's, like a fanfic writer autistically shrieking about the unlimited power level of their Gary Stu self-insert Sonic recolor:

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I haven't paid any attention to Andor so I have no way to really know if the show is actually good or not, but if all the positive reviews are to be believed I find it incredibly funny that after two awful series Disney finally dropped a half decent one. Bravo.
 
I always kinda figured they were a pretty big deal since there's like 50 of them, though I suppose there's another author in there too. Lots of characters from it kept going into the Vong era, right?
I mean obscure to your average normie Star Wars consoomer--the kind of people whose awareness of EU concepts stem largely from video games, cartoons & other media that requires less brain power and attention to consoom.

Of course X-Wing is lauded and super-popular with people who actually read the EU--as are characters like Corran Horn, Mirax & Booster Terrik, Ysanne Isard, etc--and yes, these characters were major staples of continuity all the way through the Legacy era. But when it comes to your average Funko Pop-loving, childless, mouth-breathing manchild, and the monkeys behind the camera at LucasFilm? They probably aren't aware of any EU concepts beyond shit like Revan or Starkiller or Thrawn, and that last one's likely only because of his woeful appearance in Rebels.

For instance, Leslye Headland, showrunner for the upcoming Acolyte series, bragged about having "Extended Universe knowledge" (because that's totally what it was called) through things like The Thrawn Trilogy and TCW.

Which is essentially normie code for: "That Thrawn or KOTOR thing's an easy namedrop, so if I bring them up, people will think I'm totally a Nerd™ like them!"
 
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I mean obscure to your average normie Star Wars consoomer--the kind of people whose awareness of EU concepts stem largely from video games, cartoons & other media that requires less brain power and attention to consoom.

I'm so used to existing in circles like this that my mind instinctively rejects the idea that one could consider themselves a superfan of the franchise and not at least know about people like Isard. My expectations for normies are so, so low and yet I'm still perennially disappointed.
 
I dunno where Stackpole's books specifically tie in but aren't there kind of a lot of X-Wing/Rogue Squadron properties? Some of which were kind of a big deal
I always kinda figured they were a pretty big deal since there's like 50 of them, though I suppose there's another author in there too. Lots of characters from it kept going into the Vong era, right?
What I find most amusing is that the X-Wing/Rogue Squadron books still continue to have far more sales than any gay book or comic Disney, Marvel or Cuck Wendig has released.
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With that in mind, its no wonder why they wanted to cash in on the Rogue Squadron brand name for Patty Jenkins' barely related and now dead film project, which, when you think about it, its kind of weird how suspicious the production for it is along with the KOTOR "remake" which really makes you wonder about legal crap surrounding their status or how the only pre-disney properties Disney has bothered to put front and center are the OT gang, Furloni's OCs, Alan Dean Foster's OCs, Timothy Zahn's OCs and a few others, as if they can only use the material of the pre-disney authors who still actively work for them.

The Jedi are barely a thing in these movies. It's pretty silly how many people think that because the mainline films are about the force and have a Jedi protagonist they act as if every scene is the battle on Geonosis from AOTC and damn near every fucking character is a Jedi like in the prequels, when that could be further from reality. Most of the characters in Disney Wars are normal non-force using people. This is because Disney still thinks prequels bad and also because the writers of this crap are incredibly boring people who can't think of a way to make force users interesting.
Hell, Disney's idea to make force users interesting was their horrible High Republic project and all that amounts to is "What if the Jedi Order was a meme-spouting LGBTQ Organization fighting bigoted yet queer-coded space bikers and getting psyched out by Weed monsters?! XDDDD"
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That was never even legends canon. I always liked Legends' explanation that humans were indigenous to Coruscant
It was going to be. Did you miss the part of @YellowIsACoolColor's post that said "unpublished"?
Alien Exodus was intended for pre-disney/eu canon (imagine using disney's Legends slave name) but the book got axed and reworked into a different novel trilogy that toned down the Star Wars connections as I already said in my last post but a few vague references lingered but with name changers in some parts, and that didn't stop the writers of the Essential Atlas, Unknown Regions and SW Encyclopedia or even Abel G. & J. Bongiorno from referencing factions from it and making connections to it, which would've been further solidified in unreleased novels like Cult Encounters from prior to the buyout, but only as in-universe myths or vague historical accounts to keep it vague enough so you could take what you want for those who get too butthurt about their childhood headcanons getting shaken up whenever lucasfilm of olde dared to explore anything in the setting (yet ironically the same bunch who use to complain then now lap up everything Disney Wars and now suddenly give a rats ass about "canon" because its full of queer bs, Ahsoka and Rey wank and characters saying curse words because they want SW to not even be itself anymore, a Buck Rogers-esque scifi fantasy adventure opera, just nostalgiabait, waifus and contemporary dopamine hits or simply praising everything that comes out because it has the disney logo), despite that the idea basically stemmed from George's own brand of autism via his Monsters & Aliens book unlike Coruscant being the human homeworld which was always a vague connection that started as tie-in for the 70s comics which had Notron (later an ancient name for Coruscant) as the human homeworld, and even in later SW stuff which by the end its status as the human homeworld was always going back and forth to keep it vague, especially near the end as everything got muddled by Filoni retcons out the wazoo. However there was no doubt even since the early 2000s that Coruscant was definitely one of the first major human colony worlds since they drove off the original native Taung/ProtoMandalorians.

Even in the stuff released in the 2000s you have several worlds like Corellia also listed as the human homeworld alongside Coruscant and even KOTOR had HK-47 suggest the idea that humans were from Tatooine. Even blatant sources that try to make the connection more blatant like NE Chronology keep the human+Coruscant connection vague by mentioning using "believed" and "maybe(s)" when discussing the human homeworld since human characters and other sources have them claim to have other homeworlds in multiple stories.
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set in stone until late in the EU
Not counting in-story character mentions and back and forth sources (since even those are always from the biased point of view of the characters or are prone to change) only The New Essential Chronology and Coruscant and the Core Worlds really pushed the notion hard (especially when you take "Notron" into account) outside of story mentions which were released in 2003 and 2005, and the Essential Atlas released in 2009 and onward outright stated that Coruscant in the ancient past prior to the Taung-Human/Zhell War was too cold to support human life, and the only later supplement to say otherwise was Galaxy at War but all it gives is a passing mention about how the Taung fought "native" humans invaders on Notron/Coruscant. So Coruscant being the human homeworld wasn't set in stone near the end, if anything it became even more vague or against it. And I say this as someone who would prefer Coruscant or Tatooine as the human homeworld but I've grown to like these unpublished novellas and behind the scenes crap the more I delve into them.
Stop me if someone has brought this up. But since Andor is Empire era and involves intelligence is this a chance for Fagloni and company to rummage through Mike Stackpole's dumpster?

They'll need ISB to. be an issue so we'll get Dave's bullshit OC Yularen probably, and Asohka because now she apparently lives through every damned era of Disney Warz. But as Rebels and Mando proved, no one give a damn about Dave's OC's unless they're coomer bait or played by solid actors like Carano or Bill Burr.

If this follows suit, he's going to need to get a villain who can die and is diverse. Ysanne Isard? Woman. Check. Stronk. Double Check. Completely in charge and beats the boyz? Check, Check, Check. I'm sure we'll get her in blackface, twisted into a caricature of herself.
Knowing Filoni, he'll just use John Jackson Miller's OC and later Chuck Windbag's knockoff version of IsardxThrawn aka Rae Sloane since she's a more insufferable and delusional version of Isard who gives off the same vibes as Woman King by wanting to be "Emperor" rather than Empress and being the only one in the disney empire to wear the metaphorical man pants among her male peers, that and she's a lesbian for added bonus points.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Filoni purposely reduced Thrawn to a tentacle-raped Ahsoka villain just to accommodate Rae's new role as the substitute Thrawn.
I mean obscure to your average normie Star Wars consoomer--the kind of people whose awareness of EU concepts stem largely from video games, cartoons & other media that requires less brain power and attention to consoom.

Of course X-Wing is lauded and super-popular with people who actually read the EU--as are characters like Corran Horn, Mirax & Booster Terrik, Ysanne Isard, etc--and yes, these characters were major staples of continuity all the way through the Legacy era. But when it comes to your average Funko Pop-loving, childless, mouth-breathing manchild, and the monkeys behind the camera at LucasFilm? They probably aren't aware of any EU concepts beyond shit like Revan or Starkiller or Thrawn, and that last one's likely only because of his woeful appearance in Rebels.

For instance, Leslye Headland, showrunner for the upcoming Acolyte series, bragged about having "Extended Universe knowledge" (because that's totally what it was called) through things like The Thrawn Trilogy and TCW.

Which is essentially normie code for: "That Thrawn or KOTOR thing's an easy namedrop, so if I bring them up, people will think I'm totally a Nerd™ like them!"
Filoni, KOTOR and the Thrawn trilogy are always the quick go-to for disney shills when trying to look like they give a damn about anything prior to disney. As is always the case, the easiest way to tell they're just consoomers looking for clout points is when they praise the Thrawn trilogy but then go on to whine about how awful those books with "Luuke" are, not realizing the character is from Thrawn's The Last Command, and that the name is a result of Joruus's weirdly selective brain damaged pronunciations which just acted as a quick excuse to distinguish clones from the original templates in text.
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Oh so it was Vita Ayala who wrote that shitty SW book about a cooking festival... That makes sense.
I saw on the SW youtube channel that they're about to launch the Phase 2 of their Sigh Republic.
 
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I always kinda figured they were a pretty big deal since there's like 50 of them, though I suppose there's another author in there too. Lots of characters from it kept going into the Vong era, right?
Aaron Allston added something to the EU that was very lacking: humor that didnt involve laughing at C-3PO. Yeah, some of the jokes were lame, but overall the Wraith Squadron books and especially Starfighters of Adumar had some legitimately funny stuff in them.
 
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@The Gangster Computer Quoting function is borked, but that seeing Fate of the Jedi: Ascension as part of that Bestseller Collage you posted made me smile, and is already reminding me of how awesome FOTJ was as a series.

I'm so used to existing in circles like this that my mind instinctively rejects the idea that one could consider themselves a superfan of the franchise and not at least know about people like Isard. My expectations for normies are so, so low and yet I'm still perennially disappointed.
To be honest, I'm actually happier that less people are aware of the deeper EU like the X-Wing novels, considering most "fandom" these days consists of obnoxious shrieking retards who make awful memes and parse through material to find all the "problematic" aspects to complain about in a limp-dicked race to prove their moral superiority in fandom circles.

Obscurity is a gate that shields the EU from those kind of autists, and I want that gate to stay up.

Aaron Allston added something to the EU that was very lacking: humor that didnt involve laughing at C-3PO. Yeah, some of the jokes were lame, but overall the Wraith Squadron books and especially Starfighters of Adumar had some legitimately funny stuff in them.
I'm split on Allston's approach to humor, largely because my experience with it comes from his later work in NJO and beyond. Sometimes it comes off as quippy and tonally incompatible with the situation at hand, like he's trying to channel a Whedon-esque quality in his writing...and other times, he'll stick the landing flawlessly. I found the latter most often when I read his scenes of Luke and Ben interacting on their father-son quest in Fate of the Jedi.

That had some of the funniest banter in any SW book.
 
@The Gangster Computer Quoting function is borked, but that seeing Fate of the Jedi: Ascension as part of that Bestseller Collage you posted made me smile, and is already reminding me of how awesome FOTJ was as a series.


To be honest, I'm actually happier that less people are aware of the deeper EU like the X-Wing novels, considering most "fandom" these days consists of obnoxious shrieking retards who make awful memes and parse through material to find all the "problematic" aspects to complain about in a limp-dicked race to prove their moral superiority in fandom circles.

Obscurity is a gate that shields the EU from those kind of autists, and I want that gate to stay up.


I'm split on Allston's approach to humor, largely because my experience with it comes from his later work in NJO and beyond. Sometimes it comes off as quippy and tonally incompatible with the situation at hand, like he's trying to channel a Whedon-esque quality in his writing...and other times, he'll stick the landing flawlessly. I found the latter most often when I read his scenes of Luke and Ben interacting on their father-son quest in Fate of the Jedi.

That had some of the funniest banter in any SW book.
I'll have to check it out, I lost interest as NJO went on and never read anything past the end of it, skipped a few of the NJO books along the way as well. It really became a slog
 
I'll have to check it out, I lost interest as NJO went on and never read anything past the end of it, skipped a few of the NJO books along the way as well. It really became a slog
NJO's my favorite series, and even I'll admit that it was several books too long. It's part of what made its direct sequels LOTF and FOTJ a refreshing change, because they told their respective stories in a third as many books.

But, yeah...if you want to see lots of warm and fuzzy moments of Luke Skywalker being a father, and his son Ben get mountains of excellent growth (and some surprisingly-compelling teen romance with one of the last great character additions to the EU, Vestara), Fate of the Jedi is the series to go for.
 
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