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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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That's kind of bullshit, bro. Like you might be factually accurate, but the USSR and the Nazis were ideologically incompatible as much as the USSR and the USA were.
Irrelevant. Chinks and Vietnam were ideologically compatible yet warred one another. China and USA were ideologically polar opposites, yet teamed up politically against Soviet Union.
Banderites buddied up with nazis, but so did ca half a million russian (well soviet) soldiers. Why? because the choice was to either join the nazi RONA or end up in a ditch with a 9mm hole in head.
If nazis hadn't invaded Soviet Union, soviets would gladly keep supplying them with everything they needed to keep their regime going, wage war against others and genocide people.
 
They weren't able to supply their troops during WW2 either. They survived largely on the vast industrial capacity of North America and the shipping protection of the British Convoy system. And no please spare me the Soviet Statistics that they made so many more T-34's than anything the Yankee's gave them. The US supplied the steel, the tooling and mill machines. They supplied all the textiles for uniforms and the fuel to drive the troops to battle.
At one point, nearly 40% of the vehicles used by the Soviet Union were US made.
 
Memeology covered this about 15 minutes ago, and it was funny enough to make me laugh my drink out my nose.


A Colombia Economy Professor flat-out blames the US for the Nordstream pipeline and Bloomberg loses its shit as he explains why. It's like that fucking scene from The Demented Cartoon Movie where the dude runs around screaming words that cause nuclear explosions while a bunch of people fruitlessly try to chase him down.
What kind of facts are those?
Radar evidence of helicopters? When? Before or after the boom?
And what the fuck does the US gain from poisoning the Baltic?
Apples and oranges. The soviet union does not exist anymore, the Russians today are not soviets and are not fighting to restore the soviet union.
Bullshit. Vatniktoid couch potatoes don't care about the USSR the way westerners think they do.
The vatnik is in the empire business and they see the USSR as their fallen empire that should be restored by any military means necessary. There are fractions of literal braindead morons in Russia who idealize the concept of Russia as this mighty Rome 2, claiming that both Czarist Russia and Stalin's Russia were both equally great solely because they were big and strong, ignoring any contradictions between the two. These same nationalist dumbass fucks idolize Stalin and Czar Nick 2 as the same imperial majesty types, while ignoring Lenin, who didn't build an enpire, just ruined one and ruled over the ruins before Stalin made it great again. That's just a small grain of their demented mentality, but it's still there in the russian brain like it has always been.
That also with Russia being run by the KGB points that they're still under the iron dome f their own making.
Meanwhile the hohol cucks that the west supported during the 2014 coup still run around with their red and black banderite flags, bandera pictures and teach kids songs about him.
Oh, fuck off. This war has changed everything.
Before, eastern Ukraine was full of vatnik faggots who identified themselves as russians. Afterward, these stupid fucks, some of the who ran away throwing their old passports in exchange for a russian one, now have turned on the tide and are scrambling back to get as far away from that shithole Russia. And no matter how this war ends, you can bet your ass that Ukraine will have nothing to do with vatniks ever again.
 
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Poland is part of NATO and it will not invade Belarus or any other nation for Ukraine, Poland will only defend itself or act together with the rest of NATO, if decided as such.
Where are you guys pulling such takes from

I doubt it. Poland may hate Russia's guts, but they wouldn't do that. Not unless they, or another NATO ally was actually invaded.

The first point you mentioned is enough of a reason for Lukashenko to not do anything. The guy may be a dumb lapdog, but even he knows that this war is a shitshow for Russia, and that his regime, and Putin's are both hanging by threads at this point, and to send in any actual troops would be suicide.
NATO doesn't preclude its member states from operating independently, as the U.S. and U.K. have done on multiple occasions. That being said, if Russia does use a nuke, tactical or otherwise, the point will be moot since NATO will activate Article 9 at that point and all bets are off.


Let us be serious: Germans in Sudetenland was exiled, not massacred.
There were massacres committed against the native German populations.
 
I have no idea, but watching Bloomberg melt the fuck down over this absolute unit just going to the fucking moon was fucking hilarious.
Not to advocate for those Bloomberg cunts, but that is a pretty big accusation to just throw out there.
You can bet they had a long, tough talk afterwards with some White House cleaner, telling them to keep their guard up or some shit.
It's like you have a guest who reads a prepared script, but the script was QAd by Sam Hyde.
 
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Since I mentioned it, I figured I'd put it here now that a clip of it has gone up.
Almost 3 million views now.
Dave makes a bunch of arguments in the video that we've already seen gone over a hundred times in the thread like the whole idea there was a coup in Ukraine because voted the way Russia wouldn't like.

The US state department likely did think of it as a major win, but just as Nigel Farage coming to the US to speak in favor of Trump wasn't England engaging in a coup it's also weird to argue the US promoted a coup in Ukraine by having some people go over saying they wanted them to vote a certain way.

Dave also makes some random assertions about Donbass just kinda buying Russian idea that it was the people there wanting to war with Ukraine when it looks more likely it was Russia pulling hijinks as they tried arming people to start shit there.

He's probably watched youtube videos from guys like Gonzo Lira, so feels he's now an expert on the subject, but a lot of what he says just sounds retarded after everything that's come out since the start of the war.

I'm as against Globohomo as the next goy, but this Dave Smith faggot is fucking Neville Chamberlain.
"It doesn't matter what Putin does so long as we have peace in our time and it doesn't happen on my watch"

This nigga so well informed but also so stupid, which makes me pretty sure he's just playing useful idiot parrot for the America=Bad set.
Russia's nuke arm is own separate branch of the Russian military establishment that is staffed with actual competent people. I have doubts that if Putin gives the order to launch missiles over Ukraine that it'll be obeyed. I think that would be the moment some General or other cabinet member reaches out to the nearest CIA contact and says "Putin wants to launch nukes. Please to be backing imminent coup, da?"
The generals are playing along right now because it benefits them.
Putin might want to use Ukraine as an excuse to combat global warming because he's losing his grip on power, but you really think any of the other Generals are willing to abandon their sea-sides villas and head to the bunkers over Ukraine?

He is right about the shady shit the current Ukranian politics, but then conveniently ignores the pro-russian corruption. Should 41 million people live in a dysfunctional kleptocracy just because he doesn't want to feel worried about the evil nukes? (Very clearly yes, coastal elites give no fucks about the little people, they are the only ones who matter)

Also his comparisons are weak trying to go with Russia trying to flip Canada.
The US is not installing puppets to Canada's government, nor bribing them so they can pillage the country, and (sadly) the US government never genocided Canadians by purposely starving them for a decade. A more apt description would be if there was a smaller, close by country that Russia was trying to use as a toe hold. Maybe something like an island 90 miles from the border, maybe something where there was Russian backed and supplied coup....

He also completely misses the "Why Now?" on the invasion. There was no vote, no meetings, no nothing that showed Ukraine was going to shift their posture from "NATO-curious" to full NATOsbian. Nothing in Ukraine had changed, or was due to change, that would trigger the invasion. Putin also didn't just secure Donbas - he made a drive to Kiev while having a miles-long column of armor enter from the other end of the country via Belarus because he intended to take Ukraine and then dare NATO to do something about it.

Putin depends on spineless pussy-fags like this guy to get away with his bully tactics.

Poland has sheltered over 1 mil refugees and has provided almost their entire useful stock of updated and maintained T-72s, artillery and other systems. Poland's aid particularly triggers poo tin if his propagandists are any guide. It has now a large and effective NATO standard military. Poland's strength and Russian weakness is the present reality and something to savour given what Russia did to Poland. Perhaps as a nod to history, Russia could end up having Polish peacekeepers when the Ivans start cutting each up. Almost of Russia's neighbors are working to fuck it over now, thanks to the bald manlet and the shit he tried. Azerbaijan sells gas via Bulgaria or will soon. Kazakhstan's Pres publicly insulted poo tin's FSB statelets and left the now worthless Russian security umbrella. Russia is basically now one of Xi's third world vassals, except PRC is doing little to help except buying massively discounted mineral resources.

During the Dubya years, a Finnish general once bragged to an American general that in the event of war with Russia, the Finnish troops would take Moscow within three days.
"I'll believe you can get to Moscow within three days, but you'll have a hell of a time taking it." The American responded.
"Why do you say that?" The Finnish General asked.
"Well, for starters the Poles will have been there for two days, and I doubt they will want to give it up."

They just wound up on the Allied side because the Germans betrayed them.

The Germans betrayed them before they could betray the germans. Stalin's correspondence talks about how he was giddy over the stupidity of the Germans and how he couldn't wait to humiliate Hitler in five years when the Red Army was modernized and Germany's economy was crumbling due to embargos.
Stalin was put into a nervous breakdown during the German attack, refusing to believe it was real for days and slowing the Soviet reaction - he couldn't believe that the Germans were stabbing him in the back before he could stab them.

Or the first Iraq war. It was a rout for the Iraqis, sure, but it was definitely a conventional war between relatively closely matched armies, at least on paper. The allies acquitted themselves well enough.

First Iraq war wasn't even close to matched armies. Even putting aside Arab Armies = complete shit, Iraq had been getting their ability to purchase arms squeezed since a few years before the end of the Iran/Iraq war when the other Arab states stopped funding Hussein. Their logistics were garbage (I mean, top tier for arabs, but objectively garbage) and their equipment was in very sorry state.
The only reason the invasion of Kuwait/Saudi Arabia went as smoothly for the Iraqis as it did was because of who their opponents were.
 
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He is right about the shady shit the current Ukrainian politics, but then conveniently ignores the pro-russian corruption. Should 41 million people live in a dysfunctional kleptocracy just because he doesn't want to feel worried about the evil nukes? (Very clearly yes, coastal elites give no fucks about the little people, they are the only ones who matter)
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Those 41 million people aren't our problem and more importantly nuclear war isn't worth Ukraine. Which I'll say until I'm blue in the face because for some reason a shitload of people now have this retarded notion that nuclear arms would never be used under any circumstances. And really you're conveniently ignoring the fact that said corruption is the entire reason this mess kicked off in the first place, we had no business nor need to continue pushing NATO eastward.

And real talk this is almost line-for-line the same justification for the american military's soujourns in Shifting Sand Land. I guess Bush was right. America needs to be the world police, and bring Freedom And Democracy ™ to every shithole on earth.
 
And really you're conveniently ignoring the fact that said corruption is the entire reason this mess kicked off in the first place, we had no business nor need to continue pushing NATO eastward.
What corruption? Some Ukrainian company trying to bribe Biden by funding Hunter's coke habit?

Did Putin invade because he saw some western politicians getting bribes?
And real talk this is almost line-for-line the same justification for the american military's soujourns in Shifting Sand Land. I guess Bush was right. America needs to be the world police, and bring Freedom And Democracy ™ to every shithole on earth.
Is the US acting as the world police by being an arms dealer so some other countries can fight their own fights?

If Iraq or Afghanistan only involved the US selling weapons to the Saudis to fight there I'm not sure anyone would've given a shit about it.
 
Apples and oranges. The soviet union does not exist anymore, the Russians today are not soviets and are not fighting to restore the soviet union. Meanwhile the hohol cucks that the west supported during the 2014 coup still run around with their red and black banderite flags, bandera pictures and teach kids songs about him.
I fail to see any issue with this.
Time and time again, the most rabid nationalists are the best people to defend a motherland when under attack.
Sure the tiny percentage of Ukrainian nationalists that are Azov or Bandera-enjoyers are a bit confused thinking they fight for the "white race" when in fact, they are Slavs, and the lame ass Aryan invaders from Germany wanted to genocide them. But that's a childish mistake that can be educated upon within a decade if the aggressor empire stops shitting the ground and goes back home.
Also, why are you nerds expecting people, especially on a site like KF, to pearl clutch about "nazis" as if this is twitter?
PS: war of aggression and invasion, attempt at colonization etc. is far above some cheesy nazism that tends to be present in most European armies and countries, including Russia.
Only westoid shitlibs are in a perennial paranoid mood when it comes to fascists, nazis and everything WW2 - which is sadly the founding myth of the West, because the West is often retarded.
 
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Those 41 million people aren't our problem and more importantly nuclear war isn't worth Ukraine. Which I'll say until I'm blue in the face because for some reason a shitload of people now have this retarded notion that nuclear arms would never be used under any circumstances. And really you're conveniently ignoring the fact that said corruption is the entire reason this mess kicked off in the first place, we had no business nor need to continue pushing NATO eastward.

And real talk this is almost line-for-line the same justification for the american military's soujourns in Shifting Sand Land. I guess Bush was right. America needs to be the world police, and bring Freedom And Democracy ™ to every shithole on earth.

Let me try this another way.

Ukraine isn't worth nuclear war, sure. But Putin doesn't want to stop there. He is relying on cringing faggots like you and useful idiots like the castrati in that Rogan video to allow him to continue to get away with invading and bullying. Why aren't you faggots marching on the Russian embassy and burning Putin effigies like you do to the whitehouse when some sand nigger gets his virgin allotment?

Again, Hitler did nothing wrong, but this is the same line of reasoning that let that half-jew take over pretty much all of Europe and kill not nearly enough gypsies. I mean, if Putin was rounding up Jews and Gypsies it'd be one thing. But he's not doing that, this is a naked powergrab at a region that has said "Fuck off" to Russia.
Why allow Russia to get 41 more people under its heel so it can be 30 million people stronger when they decide to subjugate the next area they believe they have a right to?

Also, OK, whatever Ukraine joins NATO and NATO is on Putin's doorstep.
SO. FUCKING. WHAT.
Russia has invaded Georgia. They have continued to hand-up-ass puppet the *Stans. They outright assert the right to fuck around with any former soviet republics and express the desire to get them back and then keep going.

NATO's crimes by contrast has merely forced Eurocucks to attempt to spend 2% of their GDP on making sure the trannies in their armed forces have something that is kind of close to combat training. NATO, a defensive alliance, being on your borders is the most toothless thing possible... unless, oh I dunno, you were planning on attacking one of your neighbors.
 
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Those 41 million people aren't our problem and more importantly nuclear war isn't worth Ukraine.
No, it's not.
But muh nukhulr wer is a retarded strawman.

Which I'll say until I'm blue in the face because for some reason a shitload of people now have this retarded notion that nuclear arms would never be used under any circumstances.
The circumstance they get used is either 1) lack of nuclear parity (i.e. US v Imperial Japan); 2) absolute imminent defeat and certain ensuing genocide via conventional means; 3) the other guy used nukes first
Currently none of those 3 circumstances exist.

Listen kid, while MUH N000X!!! are fucking cool and scary in video games and Tom Clany-type novels, there exists this two (and a half) things called "nuclear parity" and "mutually assured destruction/mutually assured annihilation".
You see, nobody launches nukes, because all sides know they are both basically fucked if either of them do so.

Worse yet for Monke Tsar and his cannon fodder horde, is that NATO arguably has conventional dominance to the point of overpowering a limited nuclear response (i.e. the US & Co don't need a nuke to fuck him over big time should he cross the tard rubicon and throw an irrational nuclear temper-tantrum in Ukraine).
 
bandera = based
commies = cringe

very simple stuff really. telling us about how much those dang dirty ukrops collaberated with the nazis just makes them even more based, and russia even more cringe for opposing them
Also worth pointing out that the reason why neo nazi schtick has been so prevalent in eastern europe as a whole is that for half a century the only exposure they had to nazism was inescapable propaganda sermons on tv, radio, and print and in every single educational establishment being shrieked at them by the russian overlords who were busy figuratively and literally raping their countries to death while using "WE SAVED YOU FROM MUH NAZIS" to justify their atrocities and oppression, with the only ones with any memory of just how fuckin bad the OG nazis actually were being an aged and traumatised minority who were systematically marginalised by the state for suspected anti soviet tendencies.

Imagine the absolute fucking nadir of currentyear woke shit in politics and media and multiply it by a thousand in terms of intensity, institutional and governmental backing, and ubiquity, then give it dictatorial powers while turning every professional gendertroon into a literal commissar and you have something approximating the situation they were in until the soviet empire collapsed, which is why neo nazi schtick became an honest to godbear counter-culture in much the same way that the Red Scare of the 40s and 50s helped kick off a generation of insufferable marxist boomer antics.
 
No, it's not.
But muh nukhulr wer is a retarded strawman.


The circumstance they get used is either 1) lack of nuclear parity (i.e. US v Imperial Japan); 2) absolute imminent defeat and certain ensuing genocide via conventional means; 3) the other guy used nukes first
Currently none of those 3 circumstances exist.

Listen kid, while MUH N000X!!! are fucking cool and scary in video games and Tom Clany-type novels, there exists this two (and a half) things called "nuclear parity" and "mutually assured destruction/mutually assured annihilation".
You see, nobody launches nukes, because all sides know they are both basically fucked if either of them do so.

Worse yet for Monke Tsar and his cannon fodder horde, is that NATO arguably has conventional dominance to the point of overpowering a limited nuclear response (i.e. the US & Co don't need a nuke to fuck him over big time should he cross the tard rubicon and throw an irrational nuclear temper-tantrum in Ukraine).

I will grant the pearl-clutchers one thing:
Putin is enough of a mad-lad to order a tactical strike in Ukraine.

Where their argument falls over is I don't think anyone with the ability to execute the orders would actually follow the order.

Unlike most of the Russian Armed forces, their nuclear arm is staffed with trained professional soldiers not conscripts (sort of like their rail logistics corps). These are not retarded RUSKA STRONK meat heads. They are steely-eyed button pushers who know what they have, what it'll do if deployed, and what will happen to them afterwards.

During the Bush years there was a lot of hoopla made about the "RUSSIAN SOLDIER WHO STOPPED WWIII".
tl;dr there was a polar rocket launch that went over Russia. It was picked up by Russian early-warning systems - it detected the rising sun as a launch and the civilian rocket as a missile. The operator phoned his supervisor and said "We've got a launch detected. There's been no American or NATO saber rattling, and its a single missile. I'm pretty sure its the system malfunctioning and mis-classifying" His supervisor agreed and the incident was logged and nothing came of it.
Even if the guys supervisors had thought this was pretty sus,there were about 3 more levels of command to go through before it would have been taken to the Kremlin and Russian command.

Again, even if Putin is unhinged enough to order a strike, I doubt any of his generals would follow the order. It its more likely they reach out to a western intelligence contact to support their impending coup.

Another thing to note: Even if Putin uses nukes in Ukraine, the US has the ability to respond to the use of nukes by Russia with conventional weapons. Moscow is close enough for a conventional bombing run. It would be better if we still had airbases in Afghanistan to force them to spread out their air defense.
If Putin uses nukes, its over for him. Russia will be isolated, even China and India will be forced to separate from them. China would likely take the opportunity to strike over the border
 
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I will grant the pearl-clutchers one thing:
Putin is enough of a mad-lad to order a tactical strike in Ukraine.

Where their argument falls over is I don't think anyone with the ability to execute the orders would actually follow the order.

It's a good theory, and I hope you're right.

On the other hand, Russians are the people that Commissars in 40k are modeled after.
 

Russian soldiers are surrendering en masse​

The Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine says that more than 2,000 Russian soldiers have contacted them over the past few weeks asking for an opportunity to surrender.

Source: Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s military intelligence, on the Freedom TV channel

Details: Yusov said there had been a surge of requests after the successful counteroffensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv Oblast and the announcement of partial mobilisation in the Russian Federation.

Quote: "Then we started getting phone calls not just from soldiers who were on the territory of Ukraine as part of the occupation army, but also those who had just been mobilised and were still on the territory of the Russian Federation, or their relatives, or even people who suspected that they might be mobilised and were checking just in case.

In a few weeks, we have already [received] more than 2,000 such requests."

Background: The state project called I Want to Live is designed to help military personnel of the Russian army safely surrender to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
 
Sure. It was a "non-aggression pact". A pact where they instead chose to attack the Polish together.

And then committed their own massacre at Katyn. Seriously, who the fuck sees the Soviets as the good guys in WW2? If anything, they were just as bad as the Nazis, maybe even worse. They just wound up on the Allied side because the Germans betrayed them. If the Nazis agreed to accept the USSR into the Axis Powers as Stalin originally wanted, the Soviets would've been on their side.

The Nazis genocided foreigners and minorities to make room for their native populace out of some twisted form of love for the German people. The Soviets literally didn't care when 20 million of their own died due to Stalin's purges and plans. Which one is worse? The one who kills outsiders to make room for their people? Or the one that lets their own people die without giving a damn?
Since its come up, does anyone else remember those times that Stalin let the Germans build military testing grounds in the USSR to hide their rearmament efforts from the allies?

Thanks Stalin. You really had our backs there.
 
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