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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Since its come up, does anyone else remember those times that Stalin let the Germans build military testing grounds in the USSR to hide their rearmament efforts from the allies?

Thanks Stalin. You really had our backs there.
You forgot funnelling insane amounts of food and oil and other resources to Germany after the war started in order to bypass the British blockades that were, at that point, the only thing with a chance of actually stopping germany after France fell and before the US got involved, and which still ultimately drove hitler to initiate the half baked operation barbarossa to seize the sources of the food and oil he needed to win the war without being bled for cash and concessions by the soviets and before the soviet military could unfuck itself enough to pose a serious threat, which wound up pissing away what was left of germany's oil reserves and their pool of highly trained manpower (which had already been drained by the invasions of poland and france as well as occupying mainland europe) before it could achieve its objectives and left the now barely mobile and talent-drained german invasion force in an unwinnable attritional meatgrinder
 
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Russian soldiers are surrendering en masse​

The Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine says that more than 2,000 Russian soldiers have contacted them over the past few weeks asking for an opportunity to surrender.

Source: Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s military intelligence, on the Freedom TV channel

Details: Yusov said there had been a surge of requests after the successful counteroffensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv Oblast and the announcement of partial mobilisation in the Russian Federation.

Quote: "Then we started getting phone calls not just from soldiers who were on the territory of Ukraine as part of the occupation army, but also those who had just been mobilised and were still on the territory of the Russian Federation, or their relatives, or even people who suspected that they might be mobilised and were checking just in case.

In a few weeks, we have already [received] more than 2,000 such requests."

Background: The state project called I Want to Live is designed to help military personnel of the Russian army safely surrender to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Clown world is getting clownier by the day.
But it's understandable. A lot of people don't realize what it's like in places like Russia, especially in times like these. People are so afraid that they would rather risk being on the frontline to surrender to the enemy than do anything else. They're scared of what the system would do to them if they refuse, and assume that treatment from the supposed enemy would be more humane. Just think about it for a moment.

I imagined the other day how things would've turned out if everyone instead of fleeing the country would've instead went to the Red Square to protest. It would've been unstoppable.
But fear is so pervasive.
 
China would likely take the opportunity to strike over the border

Xi would love to use Putin as a prison wallet right now. Just stuff his whole army in there, and distract his people from their slow-motion economic collapse.

My God we're gonna get Twilight:2000 except it'll be Twilight:2022, innit.
 
The Germans betrayed them before they could betray the germans. Stalin's correspondence talks about how he was giddy over the stupidity of the Germans and how he couldn't wait to humiliate Hitler in five years when the Red Army was modernized and Germany's economy was crumbling due to embargos.
From my vague understanding the plan was to let Britain and Germany fight it out for a few years while the USSR built its forces and then swoop in on all of Continental Europe after the two nations were too worn out and worn down to put up a fight
If Iraq or Afghanistan only involved the US selling weapons to the Saudis to fight there I'm not sure anyone would've given a shit about it.
Unless something changed we've been shipping bombs to the Saudis to bomb the Iran-backed Houthis for years and its just been crickets aside from a month or two where some people noticed and sobbed about matters before everyone forgot about them.
 

Russian soldiers are surrendering en masse​

The Chief Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine says that more than 2,000 Russian soldiers have contacted them over the past few weeks asking for an opportunity to surrender.

Source: Andrii Yusov, representative of Ukraine’s military intelligence, on the Freedom TV channel

Details: Yusov said there had been a surge of requests after the successful counteroffensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv Oblast and the announcement of partial mobilisation in the Russian Federation.

Quote: "Then we started getting phone calls not just from soldiers who were on the territory of Ukraine as part of the occupation army, but also those who had just been mobilised and were still on the territory of the Russian Federation, or their relatives, or even people who suspected that they might be mobilised and were checking just in case.

In a few weeks, we have already [received] more than 2,000 such requests."

Background: The state project called I Want to Live is designed to help military personnel of the Russian army safely surrender to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
I believe it because the mobilization affects literally every man - even the ones who can't fight because of illness/age/disabillity. Putin doesn't give a shit. Students, anti war protesters, ill & disabled people, normies, minorities from countries colonized by Russia...of course they are surrendering.
 
A LOT of seething going on in niche communities. Tankies, seething. "Socialists", seething. "Maoists", seething. "wignats", seething. Groyperinhos, seething. BAPpists, seething, coping, but at least they are Europeans with the experience of European war disasters, in this case, a Croat, I believe, and a good writer - just maybe a bit misguided on foreign affairs.

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You don't have to like America, Niccolo. Many Europeans do not. But it's a large country with an insane potential, and while it is true that there is a lot of social decay and cultural rot within it, it's also true that smaller countries like ours in Central and East Europe don't yet have any alternatives but to be modern vassal states - question is, to whom?
You can seethe, you can cope, you can dilate, but you have to be honest in the end when reality strikes, and 2022 is pretty real for our part of the planet.
Hungary has 9M people, like a large US city. Romania has like 19M, probably 3M of them, nearly all gypsies, living in the West (lul). Croatia has 4M people, lmao.
What expectations should we have of "greatness" with these demographics? Will we invade Turkey and the Middle East, or put Mother Russia in its place?
Of course not, we're just happy to survive and be as safe as possible, transmit our genes, and ensure a national preservation and integrity.
I am not even hostile to Russia or Russians, like many seem to be.
All I want it that it goes back within its borders and gives up the stolen land.
 
A LOT of seething going on in niche communities. Tankies, seething. "Socialists", seething. "Maoists", seething. "wignats", seething. Groyperinhos, seething. BAPpists, seething, coping, but at least they are Europeans with the experience of European war disasters, in this case, a Croat, I believe, and a good writer - just maybe a bit misguided on foreign affairs.

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You don't have to like America, Niccolo. Many Europeans do not. But it's a large country with an insane potential, and while it is true that there is a lot of social decay and cultural rot within it, it's also true that smaller countries like ours in Central and East Europe don't yet have any alternatives but to be modern vassal states - question is, to whom?
You can seethe, you can cope, you can dilate, but you have to be honest in the end when reality strikes, and 2022 is pretty real for our part of the planet.
Hungary has 9M people, like a large US city. Romania has like 19M, probably 3M of them, nearly all gypsies, living in the West (lul). Croatia has 4M people, lmao.
What expectations should we have of "greatness" with these demographics? Will we invade Turkey and the Middle East, or put Mother Russia in its place?
Of course not, we're just happy to survive and be as safe as possible, transmit our genes, and ensure a national preservation and integrity.
I am not even hostile to Russia or Russians, like many seem to be.
All I want it that it goes back within its borders and gives up the stolen land.

I wish there was a (conventional) WWIII just so these faggots would remember why war isn't good. I get it, Globohomo is terrible, gas the Jews, etc.
But even with all the various civil wars and cross borders in Africa, there has not been a conflict that has left a multiple countries with near double-digit population drops or left vast swaths of lands that are still lethal over one hundred goddamn years later since the Soviet union fell, and that's a good thing.
 
Hohols are big mad that Elon suggested peace. I guess the money laundering is too profitable right now.

Unlike many people here, I actually generally like Elon Musk, but it's absolutely in a "well intention buffoon" sort of way a lot of the time. Like this time. His "suggestion of peace" relied on a child-like understanding of geopolitics. "Herpyderp, we should just let everyone decide what country they want to be part of, right?"
 
Retards literally believe that not "wasting" a 100 billion and letting Russia take a shit wherever it wants, which in the long run would cost more 100s of billions, with more wars, more of this bullshit economic collapse and political instability. But nah, stooped Uros should fix their issues themselves, it's not like America ever had its CIA proxies with their war prisons in that part of the world.
I never though I'd hate the cuck right this much in my life.
 
As noted by an astute commentator, even Iran is supplying Ukraine now.
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I thought something may have been lost in translation; but yep, that's a gravity/glide bomb.
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The Bayraktar is objectively better in possibly every way, as even the Turkish drone seems to have low radar visibility; while these things probably light up like a Cessna on the Ukrainian air-defense scopes.

But the fact that it's an Iranian guided weapon reinforces my opinion that Russia's own stocks of equivalent ordnance is greatly depleted; or at the very least have hardware or software incompatibility with Russian control systems, and they don't have the brainpower to make any hotfixes.
 
As noted by an astute commentator, even Iran is supplying Ukraine now.
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I thought something may have been lost in translation; but yep, that's a gravity/glide bomb.
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The Bayraktar is objectively better in possibly every way, as even the Turkish drone seems to have low radar visibility; while these things probably light up like a Cessna on the Ukrainian air-defense scopes.

But the fact that it's an Iranian guided weapon reinforces my opinion that Russia's own stocks of equivalent ordnance is greatly depleted; or at the very least have hardware or software incompatibility with Russian control systems, and they don't have the brainpower to make any hotfixes.
Bayraktars might be better 1:1 but how much cheaper are these Iranian drones to produce and field and how many more of them are there?
 
Bayraktars might be better 1:1 but how much cheaper are these Iranian drones to produce and field and how many more of them are there?

No idea on the cost but there are supposedly hundreds of them being delivered, their performance and use has been heavily scrutinized and on balance they seem to have barely made a difference so far.

Their believed to have daubed when the Kharkiv offensive was in full swing and one of the early reports of an artillery piece being totaled by one was actually kind of pants shitting, as it was speculated they might be able to plug the gaping hole in the Russian airforce's overwatch capabilities. If they proved to be effective heavy loitering munitions they would force HIMARS and other conventional artillery to work around them if not severely threaten them.

But despite Iranian simps flooding the discussion pages afterwards playing up its capabilities as a Bayraktar, Tomahawk and HARM all in one they've since mostly been used to inexplicably hit fixed targets in Odessa (when they aren't shot down) the whole time Ukraine's been eating into the Russian front lines this past month.
 
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Retards literally believe that not "wasting" a 100 billion and letting Russia take a shit wherever it wants, which in the long run would cost more 100s of billions, with more wars, more of this bullshit economic collapse and political instability. But nah, stooped Uros should fix their issues themselves, it's not like America ever had its CIA proxies with their war prisons in that part of the world.
I never though I'd hate the cuck right this much in my life.
Every single bad thing that happened to Europe in the last 60 years had one of the US 3-Letter Agencies behind it, not Russia. It wasn't Russia that invaded the middle east under false pretenses, fund regime change after regime change that caused millions of angry muzzles to flood Europe.
 
Every single bad thing that happened to Europe in the last 60 years had one of the US 3-Letter Agencies behind it, not Russia. It wasn't Russia that invaded the middle east under false pretenses, fund regime change after regime change that caused millions of angry muzzles to flood Europe.
Russia however, launched a war against a fellow Orthodox Christian country, and their war is killing more white European Christians by the day. America in the past 20 years launched wars against Muslims, not white European Christians.

Russia may not have started the decline, but they sure as hell are accelerating it.
 
Russia however, launched a war against a fellow Orthodox Christian country, and their war is killing more white European Christian's by the day.

Russia may not have started the decline, but they sure as hell are accelerating it.
A war that lasted less than 11 fucking days.

How long was the US in Afghanistan in Iraq? DECADES. Do you need to be reminded of countless US warcrimes? Watch some wikileaks videos or picture of Abu Ghraib.

For how long have the Syrian rebels the US funded and trained, that later turned into ISIS, terrorized not only Syria but also Iraq and the west?

How can you even dare to compare the US warmongering to Russia when the US and NATO fucked Libya for generations and made it the entry point into Europe for human trafficking and literal slave trade.

And these are just the "recent" wars. Spare me that hypocritical sanctimonious bullshit
 
Bayraktars might be better 1:1 but how much cheaper are these Iranian drones to produce and field and how many more of them are there?
Turkey doesn't have to smuggle in the electronic components. And has ever increasing economies of scale. I'm willing to bet that the Bayraktar's work out somewhat cheaper for those able to purchase them directly and legitimately. The Iranian crap is for those who can't do that.
 
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