Kiwi Farms Is Back The return of the trollish forum demonstrates the futility of bans on bad speech.


Kiwi Farms Is Back​

The return of the trollish forum demonstrates the futility of bans on bad speech.​

ELIZABETH NOLAN BROWN | 10.7.2022 10:00 AM


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(Illustration: Lex Villena)
It's been a little over a month since the internet services company Cloudflare terminated its relationship with Kiwi Farms, a web forum accused of fomenting harassment campaigns. But today, Kiwi Farms seems to be back and doing just fine.
After Cloudflare canceled Kiwi Farms' domain registration and DDoS mitigation services on September 3, the forum was temporarily inaccessible via its main URL (kiwifarms.net), though it could still be accessed on alternate domains during that period. (If you're curious about all the technical twists and turns, see this thread.) But by September 15, the main Kiwi Farms domain was back up. And the forum now seems to be operating normally.
The situation showcases once again how campaigns to rid the internet of supposed "hate speech"—or any particular type of speech—are doomed.
From pirated literature and academic papers to sex worker ads, MAGA organizing, or fringe forums, where's there's a will—and a pluralistic, global internet—there's a way.
This is undoubtedly a good thing. No group has ever gotten less radicalized by being driven underground, and no economic sector has ever gotten safer by being driven into a black market.
If you're worried that adult advertising platforms, fringe-right forums, etc. are harboring actual criminal actors, it's better for these sites to be accessible and hosted in the U.S. This way people can keep tabs on them, and platform operators are subject to subpoenas and other law enforcement requests. And if you're worried that certain platforms are hotbeds of hate or disinformation, it's better that those who would counter them can actually see what's being said. It's hard to challenge information or ideas that are exchanged more privately.
Those are the utilitarian reasons why the campaign to drive "dangerous" speech off the internet is misguided. Of course, there's also a more ideological or symbolic component.
In a liberal, pluralistic society, trying to deny entire groups of people the right to speak or associate is not great.
Private companies like Cloudflare are certainly within their rights to terminate services to platforms they deem dangerous or offensive. And they have reasonable incentives for doing so, given the drive to hold all sorts of internet intermediaries legally and professionally liable for third-party content. But the now popular online pastime of pressuring companies into these decisions is bad from both a culture-of-free-speech standpoint and a slippery slope standpoint. As Cloudflare itself pointed out in an August 31 blog post, the company's private decisions to terminate services to 8chan and the Daily Stormer were followed by "a dramatic increase in authoritarian regimes attempting to have us terminate security services for human rights organizations — often citing the language from our own justification back to us."
We already have ways of dealing with the relatively small amount of actually illegal online content without banning whole web forums or trafficking in guilt by association.
And the speedy return of Kiwi Farms demonstrates that the latter is not just illiberal but also futile.
 
How could this be ?!
The verified LGBTQ+ checkmark that's whole twitch channel is just dead air and seething about Tucker Carlson, that I gave my hard earned wagey money for their Europeon Vacation Revolution
told me that the mean Kiwis will go away and don't exist anymore!

Was I lied to? :'(
 
I was surprised to finally see an article acknowledging this. Twatter has many perverted users and other sick bestiality freaks who are allowed to post, but a website like this is where people draw the line. Opinions and censorship only matters if one uses the platform and or, they disagree with the popular narrative.

Anytime I see the media linking this site with "bad speech" Or "hate speech", it seems to be people criticizing users here for pointing out the simple truth that a boy =/= a girl. As if we have to bend down to the almighty girldick.
 
Lex Vilenna from 1791L still does graphics work? The image here is basic but I'd love to see his other edits because that channel was made by its slick visuals.
 
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Wow, fake fucking news guys. Everyone knows that the true and honest woman (NOT man) Keffals destroyed the kiwifarms once and for all just a couple of weeks ago. You'd have to be pretty dumb to believe this garbage.
 
Anytime I see the media linking this site with "bad speech" Or "hate speech", it seems to be people criticizing users here for pointing out the simple truth that a boy =/= a girl. As if we have to bend down to the almighty girldick.
"Hate speech" is just a phrase people who are detested for legitimate reasons use to distract from the fact that the speech they hate is by and large true.
 
"Hate speech" is just a phrase people who are detested for legitimate reasons use to distract from the fact that the speech they hate is by and large true.
I think the fact that "hate speech" isn't a thing legally (and can never really be due to the 1st Amendment) is also a reason for the big smoke screen..... they either know, or have been told, that should their bullying and hand-wringing go all the way to the top? And get a Congress to actually make anti-hate-speech law with criminal penalties for merely speaking the forbidden trigger words? They will lose if their defense is "We had to prevent hate speech" , heck, they'll lose no matter WHAT the defense is.... free speech has no exceptions for mean words.

So, their only way to prevail is to demoralize and frustrate anyone who doesn't agree with them by encouraging cry-bullying at everything BELOW Governmental law to fall in line with their demands for censorship and "hate speech" prosecution. From corporations to academia to civic groups to even hobbyist circles.... all must join in on the great Progressive anti-hate crusade. If everyone BUT the government acts as though hate speech IS a thing, then it doesn't matter if it really isn't.... does it?

From this we get the smarmy "It's a private company! They can do what they want!" excuse when someone who's whole raison d' etre should be the cultivation of opposing ideas instead puts up a blatant double-standard where only "Right" ideas are allowed in the name of "ending hate" .

But they never counted on the lack of appetite in the public to play along with them in perpetuity.
 
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Wow, fake fucking news guys. Everyone knows that the true and honest woman (NOT man) Keffals destroyed the kiwifarms once and for all just a couple of weeks ago. You'd have to be pretty dumb to believe this garbage.
A week and a half, and that's being generous and not mentioning onion.farms who was up almost everyday.

Keffals did jack shit except being an annoying faggot... Like all troons to be honest.
 
I think the fact that "hate speech" isn't a thing legally (and can never really be due to the 1st Amendment)
The Supreme Court has essentially stated UNANIMOUSLY that in constitutional terms, there literally is no such thing as "hate speech." The fact you hate it doesn't make it illegal.

There is no hate speech exception to the First Amendment.

The fact the current crop of people trying to breach that wall the Founders put in place happen to be nearly universally child molesters and their advocates should speak for itself.

There are very good reasons these safeguards were put in place.
 
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