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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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He commands an army that has. And they can easily pass reports on to him that say "hey boss, the new guys we're fighting are noobs!"


And? UK MoD is ten times more reliable than any source from Russia that's 95% propaganda, 5% whining about the West.


Nice assumptions, but do you have a source? At least the Ukrainian military can easily say that they've captured a few new Russian recruits who had to buy their own shit.


Except it's not bloated. It's gotten even worse in Russia, where even elite units like the Wagner group have to get prisoners to help fight.

"Wagner Group: Head of Russian mercenary group filmed recruiting in prison"


Last I checked, neither Ukraine nor the USA were that desperate to put prisoners in their elite units.
Funny, you and many of the others on this thread are willing to blindly accept every negative detail about Russia. Even if the source has no obvious reason to know, or it comes from the mouth of the Ukrainians, because they don't use propaganda.... apparently.

We'll see what's said after Russia wins.
 
That's all he's got PR. Ukraine troops roll into unoccupied areas and call it a victory. Kherson and other places they "took back" in their counter offensive means they pulled troops from the northern front lines.

Estimates are the Ukrainians have 30,000 troops still defending Bakhmut about five times the number commited to any other action of the war. Those details should tell you where the real fighting is not the PR nonsense.
Damn Russian troops have bigger problems than their rampant alcoholism and AIDS. Apparently they all have dementia and forget to bring their Tanks, artillery, and ammo with them when they get pulled to other areas.
 
Funny, you and many of the others on this thread are willing to blindly accept every negative detail about Russia. Even if the source has no obvious reason to know, or it comes from the mouth of the Ukrainians, because they don't use propaganda.... apparently.

We'll see what's said after Russia wins.
You type pretty good for someone with a giant unwashed Slavic dick halfway down his throat.
 
I'd read the part about russian incompetence and was gonna tell yall not to get your collective hopes up and make a parallel to what happened with the great purges and soviet command during ww2 but then i realised stalin was having people shot and shit and generally removing people from command, meanwhile Putin is probably gonna keep the same old guys in office due to political loyalty
Stalin was also leaving people in command based on how much he liked them. Go look into Grigory Kulik if you want to know how bad things really were. He managed to stay a field marshal until 1946 despite sabotaging the entire Red Army from sheer incompetence just because he was personal friends with Stalin.
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And since this is Russia... things only got worse from there. I won't spoil your reading any more than that though.
You can find stories of people visiting a Russian supply depot and just buying grenades for fun.
Yeah. Stories. Stories most people would have found hard to believe, even us, never mind a DIA analyst who is operating from a starting position of "Russia has a half-competent military" because to do so otherwise is inconceivable given their international status. The idea that things are 1990's bad in terms of corruption is patently ridiculous on its face given Putin's saber-rattling in Ukraine, since you'd have to be a fucking monkey to try shit with a military that bad. But lo and behold, Putin is a fucking monkey, and things really are that bad. Obviously all parties were wrong, but things are so bad on the ground anyone saying this before the invasion would have been laughed at and mocked, even by us Kiwis.
To add to this, it's standard practice to assume the worst case when planning. The enemy is always motivated, their battle plans always work, the weather is always in their favour, their forces are more than what you can see, their technology works perfectly, etc etc.

Assuming an incompetent foe is what led Russia into this mess, after all.
Pretty much. We logically had to take Russia seriously because otherwise they might have unpleasantly surprised us with hidden competence if we took all the reports of their failures at face value. This way, we're pleasantly surprised by hidden incompetence.
The analysis I saw said the Javelin doesn't have enough oomph to breech a T-72 magazine. But it would be able to detonate any ammo stored outside of it.
At this point I'm inclined to say its possible. Russian turrets are tiny and if they have poor or no internal armor around their hull magazines, it could happen. Especially if the USA has been keeping its lips shut for once about what its equipment can do (happens from time to time, oddly enough) and Javelin has more pen than everyone thinks it does.
Why are people acting like it's gonna turn into fuckin Antarctica all of a sudden?
Because Europeans are shit at long term planning and in their uniquely European smugness fail to realize that actions have consequences until its too late. Trump warned them in 2018. They had four years to get their shit together, and they didn't. Now, with reality about to smack them in their face, we'll see if their eight months of planning and preparation were enough. Shit's going to suck, and the only question is how hard its going to suck. Personally I think they'll squeak through without too much trouble and only become more arrogant and dismissive of the USA's warnings in the future as a result. "Ha, take that, America! We didn't need Trump's advice anyways!"

I swear, they're the goddamn DSP of continents...
 
Funny, you and many of the others on this thread are willing to blindly accept every negative detail about Russia. Even if the source has no obvious reason to know, or it comes from the mouth of the Ukrainians, because they don't use propaganda.... apparently.

We'll see what's said after Russia wins.

Boy, is the copium strong in this one.

All news sources indicate that Russia is losing. Putin and the Russian press are looking for scapegoats. Russian men are fleeing the country in droves, while elite units like Wagner are pulling men fresh from the jails to get reinforcements.

The truth is obvious, yet you wish to deny.
 
Certain Russian authorities are saying a VBIED was the likely method of attack on the Kerch strait. I agree with them, that seems the easiest way of getting enough explosives on point that might be able to cause this much damage, it would easy enough to time a crossing and detonation with a train pulling liquid tankers to increase the effectiveness and hit both bridges simultaneously.

There's also talk of this taking several weeks at minimum to fix and make serviceable again. No telling how much additional security on the repaired bridge might slow things down.

Edit: there's clear video going around which shows a box truck at what seems to be the moment and point of the explosion.
 
Stalin was also leaving people in command based on how much he liked them. Go look into Grigory Kulik if you want to know how bad things really were. He managed to stay a field marshal until 1946 despite sabotaging the entire Red Army from sheer incompetence just because he was personal friends with Stalin.
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And since this is Russia... things only got worse from there. I won't spoil your reading any more than that though.

You seem to leave out the fact that while he retained the title of field marshal, he was actually removed from frontline command for quite a while. Seems to be a recurring theme for other incompetent but politically-connected guys. See Semyon Budyonny for instance. Guy was illiterate and insisted tanks could never replace cavalry, lead during the disastrous Battle of Kiev, but was not technically sacked.

Then again, this all means that all the more you guys shouldnt get your hopes up about the Russians staying dumb, even if nobody technically gets sacked, Unity of Command issues aside.
 
Certain Russian authorities are saying a VBIED was the likely method of attack on the Kerch strait. I agree with them, that seems the easiest way of getting enough explosives on point that might be able to cause this much damage, it would easy enough to time a crossing and detonation with a train pulling liquid tankers to increase the effectiveness and hit both bridges simultaneously.

There's also talk of this taking several weeks at minimum to fix and make serviceable again. No telling how much additional security on the repaired bridge might slow things down.

Edit: there's clear video going around which shows a box truck at what seems to be the moment and point of the explosion.
Awww.
I was hoping that reason for explosion would've been half a packet of Chesterfield.
 
Yeah, but only because he fucked up hard during the war to the point nobody could ignore. Still managed to wiggle out of a firing squad thanks to being besties with Stalin.
And? Removing the biggest retard is still removing a retard. I'm not trying to say theyll instantly become military geniuses, but we will expect to see less egregious fuckups
 
I was hoping that reason for explosion would've been half a packet of Chesterfield.

If this happened a few months ago I wouldn't put it past Russian authorities to go with exactly that narrative, but the tone of the war rhetoric has changed and they'll likely go with the terrorism angle now.

Edit: To be clear the video I'm seeing floating around isn't definitive. I still think it would have to be a VBIED but if this truck video turns out to be legit than I'm really surprised such a "small" amount of explosives could cause this much damage to the road section, I would think it would be sturdier than that.
 
The real fighting? The real fighting ended a while ago. All we have now are Russian conscripts being sent to die for a worthless cause.

"Zelensky says latest Russian troops killed in war ‘were not trained for combat’"

All the juicy drama now comes from Russia tearing itself apart over this new "mobilization" nonsense. Like how the new conscripts lack basic goods:

"Russian Troops Told to Use Female Sanitary Products Amid Supply Issues—U.K."

"Putin's Mobilized Troops Forced to Buy Their Own Equipment, Armor: Ukraine"

If this is just a partial mobilization, and men are already trying to GTFO from Russia, just imagine what a full mobilization will do. It would destroy the country.

The only thing Putin can do now is use nukes, which would certainly trigger mutually-assured destruction.
When this farce of a mobilization started, propaganda talk shows spent a lot of time discussing how conscripts should be supplied, like all the basic shit from uniforms and helmets to first aid kits, problems that still persist. Not geopolitical and strategical issues like usual.
This is the world superpower, apparently. It's downright embarrassing. If this happened in US, secretary of defense would've been fucking hanged.
 
Article written July about possible plans to destroy Kerch bridge.
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I'll quote what I think is ever so slightly relevant bit.
“The effectiveness of defeating such an object as the Kerch Bridge primarily depends on the maximum reduction in the distance from launch to destruction, so that air defense systems do not work well enough,” the expert says.
 
Article written July about possible plans to destroy Kerch bridge.
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I'll quote what I think is ever so slightly relevant bit.

Ukraine as of yet has nothing that would cause this much damage to the bridge from the air in one hit.

No cruise missile or even the long range racket artillery the US has thus far not sent could do something like this in such a short window.
 
Ukraine as of yet has nothing that would cause this much damage to the bridge from the air in one hit.

No cruise missile or even the long range racket artillery the US has thus far not sent could do something like this in such a short window.
Truck full of explosives could maybe do enough damage, while bypassing Russian air defenses.
 
Truck full of explosives could maybe do enough damage, while bypassing Russian air defenses.

That's a stretch, the article is clearly talking about "launch sites" and "firing positions" in territory that could be reclaimed on the mainland and the ability of HIMARS and cruise missiles to defeat AA, not the prospect of bypassing it completely.

It has no relevance to this. The topic was using advanced weapons to hit the bridge, this might not have even been sanctioned by the military/goverment.
 
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