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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Except that BRICS countries are happy to trade in Ruble or gold bypassing the dollar others can follow suit. The Federal Reserve can say what it likes it doesn't mean any will listen.
As if BRICS is actually worth a wet fart. Out of them, only the C part of BRICS actually matters. And the I part of BRICS wants to kill them.

Shill news outlets have been saying sanctions worked and Russia falling apart since before the invasion began, it still hasn't happened, keep up the wishful thinking though.
And America hasn't fallen apart yet, no matter how much you vatniks claim it to be.

I'm sure a country where all the MEN are running away from is not a country that's in good shape. And it's obviously not in good shape when soldiers have to sleep in pig styes and bring their own sleeping bags while fighting the Hohols with nothing but rusty AKs.

Texas can't meet US oil demands not even at full production. Keystone......if you think Biden administration is going anywhere near that you're deluded.
Biden is a corporate democrat, not an SJW. If the rich fat cats funding his campaign tell him that it's necessary, he'll do it.

The US military has failed in: North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few. Even if they could make a beachhead on Russian territory they aren't marching anywhere. US arms aren't working much in Bakhmut....
The US Military won the Korean War. That's why there's a North and South Korea instead of just one Korean state that's a puppet of the Chinese. In Vietnam, they killed far more North Vietnamese than they lost. In Afghanistan, they won the war, but got tired of holding it and left. They didn't lose any wars in Libya; at most they lost a plane, and if that classifies as losing, then the Russians are epic losers for losing a whole fleet of planes and helicopters to a glorified militia.

US arms are turning the tide in Ukraine. If the actual US army showed up, they'd burn down Moscow in a week.

But you didn't. Nuclear, sure it's a better alternative, pledging to give $6 billion isn't actually doing it though. As for ethanol, good luck it already a dead end.
That's just the beginning of the Biden administration working with nuclear. As for ethanol, so long as you have farms, you can always go back to it.

Winning a PR war sure, advancing into areas with zero opposition and calling it a win. Winning the actual war, no. Recent Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure show they have no air defences at all.
No air defenses? Then explain the massive loss of Russian aircraft throughout this "Special Military Operation". And again, those Russian missile strikes HIT CIVILIAN TARGETS. It didn't affect the Ukrainian military at all. They wasted fucking CRUISE MISSILES on targets than dynamite could have destroyed. They literally used a high-tech military weapon to strike at people who A) have nothing to do with the war effort and B) whose deaths would only serve to further anger the Ukrainians and make them even more thirsty for Russian blood.

THIS is why Russia is a joke. Their tactics are cartoon villain levels of retarded. Cruise missiles are military assets, they are meant for military use. Hitting enemy bases, airfields, ammo dumps, armories, etc.. Using them to hit fucking CIVILIANS of all people shows that A) Russia cares less about civilian casualties than the US did, B) all their talk of "saving" Ukrainians from NATO and the EU are hogwash, and C) their tacticians and generals are beyond retarded for wasting valuable military resources on targets that won't contribute to the war effort.

When Ukraine loses Bakhmut it'll break their back.
They ain't gonna lose jack shit. Especially since all the Ukrainians are up against are frightened conscripts and prison bitches.

Although, they can call another mobilization (Ukraine's 8th now?) and have leave to call up women and the elderly can't wait to see how that works for them.
No, that would be Russia doing that. Which will then lead to a mass exodus of women and old folks from Russia, just like what happened with the men.

Nigger 'we' didnt want shit to do with your slavic asses and wouldnt have given two shits if Putin personally raped your mothers on live tv while screaming GET OUT OF HERE STALKER.
But we got dragged into this fucking mess by our sociopathic elite who keep wanting to poke Russia so we dont pay attention to China, the real threat.
China and Russia are allies, dipshit. The Russians even delayed their invasion so as to not interfere with the Chinese Olympics.

So on behalf of the working class man, the regular joe, the fool working 9 to 5, I ask you to please die faster. Ukraine or Russia I dont care.
If the Russians win, the Chinese will take that as a cue that the West is weak and attack Taiwan. If the Russians lose, the Chinese will think twice before attacking Taiwan.
 
Here we fucking goooo

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Even if they could make a beachhead on Russian territory they aren't marching anywhere. US arms aren't working much in Bakhmut....

Troops armed with a handful of US artillery pieces and light armored vehicles designed to operate in Afghanistan have been gaining ground in what's considered by Moscow to be "Russian" territory for the last month. Meanwhile Russian forces have recently entered their third month of trying to take Bakhmut, a city not 15 miles away from positions that LDPR forces held since 2014 and which is about 1/10 the population of the largest city still in Ukrainian hands that's also on "Russian" territory.

But yeah, American arms are shit and Russia definitely wouldn't be assfucked if they ever went up against something heaver than an MRAP supported by anything bigger than a Bayraktar and occasional Mig-29/Su-27.
 
One thing I haven't noticed been brought up at all in the past week of re-finding this thread is, what happens if Russia miraculously turns the tide of this war and let's say ends up occupying most of Ukraine or all of it or whatever the hell Putin had planned on doing, how would Russia be in any shape to occupy any part of the country for a long period of time after the main phase of the war ends and the insurgency begins? I remember posts before the invasion started saying it was a retarded idea because Russia is going to destroy its economy to invade Europe's largest land country and somehow occupy it when its people hate Russia's guts. Any sort of thawing feelings that Ukrainians felt towards Russia is now all gone so I can only imagine how hard it would be to occupy the country that not only say 90% or more hate your guts but is backed by the West's constant supplies that people correctly guessed before would be sent to the Ukraine. Any insurgency for Russia at this point is bad, I don't expect its economy to hold up long enough to occupy Ukraine.

Realistically the conflict will most likely freeze and both sides fling men into the meat grinder, but I don't see how Russia is going to survive this when it's been shunned by every nation already and now has to rely on BRICS which is nowhere near the amount of money they would be making if they were trading with the West like they did before the conflict. Wasting all of this money to realistically occupy a much smaller part of the nation you invaded and lost so much of your best equipment and men to, which is getting more and more advanced equipment by the day, equipment that can be used by anyone and has been proven to be far better than anything the Ruskies have to realistically field. The Soviets had a hard time with Afghanistan which was more isolated politically and domestically then Ukraine is now, how the hell are the Vatniks going to occupy the Ukraine now?

The USA spent 2 trillion dollars on the War on Terror that lasted for 20 years and could not win that, how can Russia afford to occupy Ukraine when its economy is falling apart, and its military has to scrap the bottom of the barrel already just to slow down Ukrainian advances? The main phase of the war isn't even over yet and its cost a hell of a lot of Russian blood and equipment losses already. The West isn't going to stop supplying Ukraine anytime soon it's not affecting people enough to care, Russia is already excluded from the world economy and things are just fine enough to continue without them despite the initial speed bump. The war will freeze, and Putin will either be forced to retire or dies before the war "ends" and Russia will fall apart after Putin because he spent his waning years pissing away all of the money and population just so that Putin could say the war is not lost. What will Russia look like after Putin and the war?
 
China and Russia are allies, dipshit. The Russians even delayed their invasion so as to not interfere with the Chinese Olympics.
And we pushed them together, we've been pushing them together for years and it was a mistake.
This mess in Ukraine is just the last stop on an insane trip we never should have begun.
 
And we pushed them together, we've been pushing them together for years and it was a mistake.
This mess in Ukraine is just the last stop on an insane trip we never should have begun.
You're stupid for ever thinking that it could've been any other way. Russia had every opportunity to become a civilized country on par with anything on the West, but their mongoloid mentality keeps pulling them down, and KGB Rat King made sure to exploit it to fulfill his retarded ambitions.
Whatever anyone else says, China is merely "allied" with Russia as long as they have something to gain from it, they aren't going to sacrifice anything for Russia's sake. It barely amounts for 2% of their export, with most of it going to the West, China isn't going to say no to all that money, it would be suicidal. As for gas/oil, Putin would be willing to provide it with a heavy discount to anyone who pretends to be his friend, because he's a pathetic insecure manlet. China doesn't have to commit to anything to benefit from this "friendship". Russia in its current state is a liability.

This Ukraine debacle is entirely on Russia. There were agreed upon borders, Russia was the one to violate them, they're not even pretending that it's about anything else other than redrawing borders to restore former empire for some archaic and egotistical reasons - that mask slipped long ago.
All that muh NATO bullshit you can shove up your stupid ass. If NATO ever planned an invasion, then how come so many of their members didn't even bother to stockpile equipment and ammunition for the hypothetical invasion, with German army becoming a mockery of its former self? Why were they doing everything they can to avoid confrontation with Russia, letting them get away with annexation of Crimea with merely a slap on the wrist? Why isn't US invading Russia despite the latter giving them a good reason for it after terrorizing Ukraine for months, despite the rising hatred toward Russia? At what point invasion of the country hysterically screaming "muh nukes!" becomes a good idea?
If not for that, Kremlin would've already been leveled as an eyesore that it is, with Abrams rolling through the Red Square. Because when it comes to conventional warfare, US has no equal.
But no one is stupid enough to risk nuclear war, and that's why Russia was safe from any such invasion. NATO is meant to keep peace in the region, to tard-wrangle any potential Hitler 2.0 and keeping the world from descending into chaos yet again, where membership is voluntary.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, something Russia acknowledged with a prior agreement. By definition, it's none of their business what Ukraine does with Ukraine. As long as it's not something like genocide, of course, because then NATO would intervene themselves and rightly so. Coincidentally, it never happened, despite Russian claims to the contrary.
Seeding 5th column to then come and "liberate" them is an old trick from the Soviet playbook, this is nothing new.

Saying that Russia is justified in invading Ukraine just shows how little thought you put into it, if any, likely just gobbling up Russian kool-aid like a good little contrarian.
 
One thing I haven't noticed been brought up at all in the past week of re-finding this thread is, what happens if Russia miraculously turns the tide of this war and let's say ends up occupying most of Ukraine or all of it or whatever the hell Putin had planned on doing, how would Russia be in any shape to occupy any part of the country for a long period of time after the main phase of the war ends and the insurgency begins? I remember posts before the invasion started saying it was a retarded idea because Russia is going to destroy its economy to invade Europe's largest land country and somehow occupy it when its people hate Russia's guts. Any sort of thawing feelings that Ukrainians felt towards Russia is now all gone so I can only imagine how hard it would be to occupy the country that not only say 90% or more hate your guts but is backed by the West's constant supplies that people correctly guessed before would be sent to the Ukraine. Any insurgency for Russia at this point is bad, I don't expect its economy to hold up long enough to occupy Ukraine.

Realistically the conflict will most likely freeze and both sides fling men into the meat grinder, but I don't see how Russia is going to survive this when it's been shunned by every nation already and now has to rely on BRICS which is nowhere near the amount of money they would be making if they were trading with the West like they did before the conflict. Wasting all of this money to realistically occupy a much smaller part of the nation you invaded and lost so much of your best equipment and men to, which is getting more and more advanced equipment by the day, equipment that can be used by anyone and has been proven to be far better than anything the Ruskies have to realistically field. The Soviets had a hard time with Afghanistan which was more isolated politically and domestically then Ukraine is now, how the hell are the Vatniks going to occupy the Ukraine now?

The USA spent 2 trillion dollars on the War on Terror that lasted for 20 years and could not win that, how can Russia afford to occupy Ukraine when its economy is falling apart, and its military has to scrap the bottom of the barrel already just to slow down Ukrainian advances? The main phase of the war isn't even over yet and its cost a hell of a lot of Russian blood and equipment losses already. The West isn't going to stop supplying Ukraine anytime soon it's not affecting people enough to care, Russia is already excluded from the world economy and things are just fine enough to continue without them despite the initial speed bump. The war will freeze, and Putin will either be forced to retire or dies before the war "ends" and Russia will fall apart after Putin because he spent his waning years pissing away all of the money and population just so that Putin could say the war is not lost. What will Russia look like after Putin and the war?
Because Vatniks believe that everybody in the areas Russia is trying to annex want to be part of Russia so there wont be an insurgency phase.
...and/or this weird idea that because Russia might just "do what the US wouldn't" (i.e. genocide) that Russia will just kill all who would rebel and thus quickly defeat the insurgency...

When Ukraine loses Bakhmut it'll break their back.
Well then please, oh great master of mil-strat; explain to us hopeless plebs how Bakhmut is the key to disembowling the Ukrainian Army.
 
Please explain how Russia's losing when it's heavily outnumbered yet has inflicted several times heavier casualties on the Ukrainian forces, ruined their economy, caused them to have to draft literal children because they're almost out of adult men, and has reduced their military to almost nothing but foreign surplus aid.
By your definition of "winning" Nazi Germany won in the Eastern front by inflicting higher casualties and smashing up Russian infrastructure and made them totally reliant on Western aid.
 
And we pushed them together, we've been pushing them together for years and it was a mistake.
This mess in Ukraine is just the last stop on an insane trip we never should have begun.
And what trip is that, pray tell? Have we actually done something wrong to China? No, we helped China for a long while. You clearly haven't been paying attention. We helped their economy by making them our production base for consumer goods, we even helped them against the Soviets in the past, we even continue to trade tech with them despite them being our political enemies in the Pacific, we've given China plenty of reasons to side with us over Putin.

But I can't really blame Xi for choosing Putin. After all, with how dependent Russia is becoming on China for trade, they'll soon be China's bitch. Especially since Russia makes as much money as New York State, maybe even less. No matter how friendly America becomes, at most, it can be just an ally for China, as it was when Mao and Stalin's heirs were having a little spat. Russia is on the fast track to becoming China's servant, and a bitch is always preferrable to a friend to those drunk Communists in Beijing. You can ask the latter for favors, but you can give orders to the former, and they can't question it.
 
Force projection is the name of the game and Russia never had that capability even back when USSR was at its zenith. At most they can invade land neighbors like Ukraine, Georgia, etc. I'll label Russia a superpower when they can do a full invasion of Brazil using their combined land, air, and sea assets.

Small counter point:
While no one force-projects like the USA, Russia had force projection, just fairly limited - they never managed to invade anyone who wasn't (practically) adjacent, but they were able to move troops to support allies - allies that would basically feed and supply the soviets. They had pilots involved in Korea and Vietnam, and they sent to troops to Angola. Most the soviets would bring in some useful idiots, train them, supply them, and then turn them loose on their home countries.

The USSR also had a true blue-water navy. That pretty much collapsed after the USSR imploded where they are down to SSBNs for true blue-water operations though they have a few frigates they were able to send to Venezuela a few years back as a show of force.

What Russia lacks, and USSR never had, was the US's ability to pick a country they didn't border it and say "we're here now".

One thing I haven't noticed been brought up at all in the past week of re-finding this thread is, what happens if Russia miraculously turns the tide of this war and let's say ends up occupying most of Ukraine or all of it or whatever the hell Putin had planned on doing, how would Russia be in any shape to occupy any part of the country for a long period of time after the main phase of the war ends and the insurgency begins? I remember posts before the invasion started saying it was a retarded idea because Russia is going to destroy its economy to invade Europe's largest land country and somehow occupy it when its people hate Russia's guts. Any sort of thawing feelings that Ukrainians felt towards Russia is now all gone so I can only imagine how hard it would be to occupy the country that not only say 90% or more hate your guts but is backed by the West's constant supplies that people correctly guessed before would be sent to the Ukraine. Any insurgency for Russia at this point is bad, I don't expect its economy to hold up long enough to occupy Ukraine.
The answer is that Russia was never going to occupy Ukraine beyond the regions already sucking Putin's dick.
The order of battle was supposed to go that their Z-force takes Kiev, forces the legitimate government to evacuate. Russian army has a loot-and-rape party for a few weeks, then Putin forces the Ukrainian government to sign away all the Russian ethnic provinces, officially give up Crimea, and probably some pipeline fuckery, and then withdraws in the "interests of peace".

No one in the government will be reelected, Russia uses that oportunity to get their cronies in power, and Ukraine is back to a Russian puppet state like in the good ol' days of the USSR.
 
The US Military won the Korean War. That's why there's a North and South Korea instead of just one Korean state that's a puppet of the Chinese. In Vietnam, they killed far more North Vietnamese than they lost. In Afghanistan, they won the war, but got tired of holding it and left. They didn't lose any wars in Libya; at most they lost a plane, and if that classifies as losing, then the Russians are epic losers for losing a whole fleet of planes and helicopters to a glorified militia.

US arms are turning the tide in Ukraine. If the actual US army showed up, they'd burn down Moscow in a week
Wow, you're actually delusional.....

There still is a North Korea, you lost.

Vietnam, let's see the footage of the evacuation again.....after killing so many, still running with tail between your legs... You lost.

Afghanistan, let's see the footage of that evacuation too. Wait....how much hardware did the US leave behind again? But you just left right.....after losing.

Libya was a complete failure of intervention.

US can't do shit to Russia, they couldn't during the cold war and can't now. Keep sperging about it though, I'm sure your denial will keep you safe.
 
You faggots have made this entire thread unreadable. Horror fans slap fighting about which zombie movie is superior to the other have more decorum and respect for each other than you (((kiwis))) do.
This goes for the pro-Russian simps too, but the Ukie fangirls have become worse than Dallas Cowboy fans at a Hooters bar on Monday night football.
Please stay here and continue shitting up this thread and NEVER wander into the UK wars news thread ever again.

Seriously, the moderation team should make it so these people can't comment on Ukraine or Russia anywhere else on this site, it's like an entire thread of Hollywood Hulk Hogan holhols and vatniks.
 
You faggots have made this entire thread unreadable. Horror fans slap fighting about which zombie movie is superior to the other have more decorum and respect for each other than you (((kiwis))) do.
This goes for the pro-Russian simps too, but the Ukie fangirls have become worse than Dallas Cowboy fans at a Hooters bar on Monday night football.
Please stay here and continue shitting up this thread and NEVER wander into the UK wars news thread ever again.

Seriously, the moderation team should make it so these people can't comment on Ukraine or Russia anywhere else on this site, it's like an entire thread of Hollywood Hulk Hogan holhols and vatniks.
"I'm totally neutral guise, but these ukie people, let me tell ya..." ^ this faggot
 
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