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That's a very noble sentiment and I wish more people had this sort of thinking, I really mean it without any sort of sarcasm or irony. But I think that's probably an outlier opinion in the west now.
I mean, look at the whole shitshow with vaccines for the coof. Those who were not vaccinated were treated as plague rats and lepers by a not insignificant sector of the population, and these were their own countrymen, their own families and friends, treatment promoted by the media and the government. Do you think that these people, the very same that were willing to alienate their own blood over a mild disease, won't be happy that some Russian civilians were killed in a Ukrainian strike?
The same with the Farmers protests in Europe or the Canadian truckers, their own people were celebrating police action against them, their bank accounts frozen and a whole array of shit that was being thrown against these protesters just because they dared to oppose the government and it's policies.
And with the 2020 Summer of Love (or Summer of Chimping) in the US and the BLM shit, I think it goes without saying those events were some of biggest show of tribalism in the west. And that wasn't a even war.
War brings out the worst of tribalism in people. We see it everyday with every new atrocity/war crime committed by both sides of this Russia-Ukraine conflict. Which was in the making for several years, decades even, check out it, if you have some free time, why the Orange Revolution of 2004 happened, what were the consequences and how the Ukrainians felt about it, before and after. It's pretty interesting stuff.
At any rate, these are atrocious actions that are utterly deplorable and horrible.
But I understand why would a Russian or Ukrainian would feel joy at any strike at their enemy, after all it's their husband/brother/father who's fighting at the frontline or their friends and family who have died in an artillery/missile strike on Kiev or Donetsk. These people must probably feel some form of vindication, for example, when a Ukrainian sees on Twitter/Telegram an ambush of a Russian convoy, with later footage coming out of the Ukies finishing off the wounded survivors or POWs, after she finds out that her brother was killed in the Kherson front, the same feeling a Russian must feel when he sees on social media a missile strike on an Ukrainian power plant or ammo depot, with a number of civilian casualties as either collateral damage or because one the missiles that were part of the strike package was given the wrong coordinates by mistake and hit a nearby civilian building, after hearing that his grandfather was killed in a bombing in Donetsk.
Like I say I could understand the Slavs supporting these strikes, they have reason to.
That being said there are westerners openly celebrating these attacks. These, thankfully, are mostly limited to social media but those who celebrate it usually have an audience, much larger than your regular Joe and they promote and celebrate these strikes as part of the political campaign, or grift if you will. I think we have seen it already, the journos and politicians blaming the country's woes on the war, to just give an example, the Biden's administration was blaming the war a couple of months ago for the high fuel prices even though they themselves said it wouldn't affect the US given that they just imported a small amount of Russian oil, when the issue really comes from a lack of new drilling permits together with an unwillingness to exploit of their own energy resources promoted under the supposed climate change initiative.
It was these very same people that promoted and defended the excess of the shitshows of the lockdowns, the protests and the chimping outs (And they also support the troons for some twisted reason). These actors will do anything to control the narrative and blame their own faults, corruption and incompetence on some foreign threat. I know that kind of language very well, for almost 20 years I have heard it being repeated on an almost daily basis, how the government is not at fault for anything but it's the US, our neighbors or ultranationalists right wing forces who are behind it.
Anyway, apologies for the long rant. Maybe you are right and people in the west will feel shocked if the Ukrainians were suddenly bombing Russian cities. But, call me a cynic, I don't think they would, I think they would celebrate it.
The same with the Farmers protests in Europe or the Canadian truckers, their own people were celebrating police action against them, their bank accounts frozen and a whole array of shit that was being thrown against these protesters just because they dared to oppose the government and it's policies.
And with the 2020 Summer of Love (or Summer of Chimping) in the US and the BLM shit, I think it goes without saying those events were some of biggest show of tribalism in the west. And that wasn't a even war.
War brings out the worst of tribalism in people. We see it everyday with every new atrocity/war crime committed by both sides of this Russia-Ukraine conflict. Which was in the making for several years, decades even, check out it, if you have some free time, why the Orange Revolution of 2004 happened, what were the consequences and how the Ukrainians felt about it, before and after. It's pretty interesting stuff.
At any rate, these are atrocious actions that are utterly deplorable and horrible.
But I understand why would a Russian or Ukrainian would feel joy at any strike at their enemy, after all it's their husband/brother/father who's fighting at the frontline or their friends and family who have died in an artillery/missile strike on Kiev or Donetsk. These people must probably feel some form of vindication, for example, when a Ukrainian sees on Twitter/Telegram an ambush of a Russian convoy, with later footage coming out of the Ukies finishing off the wounded survivors or POWs, after she finds out that her brother was killed in the Kherson front, the same feeling a Russian must feel when he sees on social media a missile strike on an Ukrainian power plant or ammo depot, with a number of civilian casualties as either collateral damage or because one the missiles that were part of the strike package was given the wrong coordinates by mistake and hit a nearby civilian building, after hearing that his grandfather was killed in a bombing in Donetsk.
Like I say I could understand the Slavs supporting these strikes, they have reason to.
That being said there are westerners openly celebrating these attacks. These, thankfully, are mostly limited to social media but those who celebrate it usually have an audience, much larger than your regular Joe and they promote and celebrate these strikes as part of the political campaign, or grift if you will. I think we have seen it already, the journos and politicians blaming the country's woes on the war, to just give an example, the Biden's administration was blaming the war a couple of months ago for the high fuel prices even though they themselves said it wouldn't affect the US given that they just imported a small amount of Russian oil, when the issue really comes from a lack of new drilling permits together with an unwillingness to exploit of their own energy resources promoted under the supposed climate change initiative.
It was these very same people that promoted and defended the excess of the shitshows of the lockdowns, the protests and the chimping outs (And they also support the troons for some twisted reason). These actors will do anything to control the narrative and blame their own faults, corruption and incompetence on some foreign threat. I know that kind of language very well, for almost 20 years I have heard it being repeated on an almost daily basis, how the government is not at fault for anything but it's the US, our neighbors or ultranationalists right wing forces who are behind it.
Anyway, apologies for the long rant. Maybe you are right and people in the west will feel shocked if the Ukrainians were suddenly bombing Russian cities. But, call me a cynic, I don't think they would, I think they would celebrate it.
