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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I tell you when i get the yearly bill, our "Teilbetrag" that we have to pay every quarter was increased from 138€ to 380€. At the end of the year we get a bill, if we used more than we already paid, we have to pay an additional fee, if we used less energy, we get some money back. In the news you hear horror stories about families getting bills with thousands of € from energy companies.
Average prices in Austria for one kWh were around 0,20-0,23 Cent in 2021.

138 * 12 = 1656 Euro
Even if we take a high price of 0,30 Cent per kWh the consumption would be somewhere at 5520 kWh or 7200 kWh with 0,23 Cent. I know there usually is a monthly flat fee but the consumption is really high, not going to lie.
If you do not have a high electricity consumer (Heat pump, electric vehicle) or many people living in your household, then I highly suggest to let someone check out your electricity meter.
 
In 1978 it was probably more about wasting money that ecology.
It was a referendum
Do want te tell us that their are more than 25 milion Turks in Germany? And because russia told you that German are weak their are weak indeed?
My country is next to germany, i have been to germany several times, i have to endure german tourists. Germans are bureaucratic gutmenschen now, worried they might offend someone and are over-governing every little thing. They try to find a reason to ban every political party even remotely right-wing. The 4th reich won't start in germany thats for sure.

Average prices in Austria for one kWh were around 0,20-0,23 Cent in 2021.

138 * 12 = 1656 Euro
Even if we take a high price of 0,30 Cent per kWh the consumption would be somewhere at 5520 kWh or 7200 kWh with 0,23 Cent. I know there usually is a monthly flat fee but the consumption is really high, not going to lie.
If you do not have a high electricity consumer (Heat pump, electric vehicle) or many people living in your household, then I highly suggest to let someone check out your electricity meter.
There is no consistent price for energy right now, they change the rates and up the bill "based on market predictions". Its all done and calculated automatically by their software/computers and recently one screwed up and sent someone an 800k energy bill

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Electricity meter is fine, we just moved into this place last year, its a small 900 sqft apartment with 2 bedrooms and no electric vehicle. The water heater here is for the entire house and operating cost are added up and divided between all apartments. 2021 i paid like 300 bucks a month for water, heating, trash and upkeep of the building, now its over 400 a month because they adjusted for higher gas prices.
 
In Vietnam the main issue was that the US Army didn't have a concpet how to use their power and what is the aim of war. Also stupidness of Jean Baptiste Ngô Đình Diệm and his clique was a huge problem.

Main aim of the USA - not to spread communism into Philippines and Siam - was both stupid and to be reached in other ways that going into another Indochina war after French defecation from that place.

It is in some ways funny how from ONE war that has poor effects the narrative about Americans losing wars is spreading.

In Korea they have full success (aim of SK and USA: survive of SK. Aim of NK and Soviets: to destroy SK. I see SK). In Iraq and Afghanistan also (main aim: to throw Middle East into war so they will not go to USA and bomb something).

And let we see how mighty russia is going in Ukraine: after nine fucking months they took only a unusable corridor from Donbas to Crimea for a huge price of crippling their own military into shit. Think about war in Iraq going so badly that USA tooked only few pieces of desert and maybye Basra, but with half of TF sunked.

In the case of disbanding EU and NATO (and neutralizing all USA power in Europe) what will stop Germany from making Anschluss II: Electric Boogaloo? You know that the only reason for Austria to exist after 1918 was that western powers didn't like Vienna under Germany rule, right?
Ngo Diem was the only opponent Ho Chi Minh respected and the Buddhist protests were largely contrived. Uncle Ho couldn't believe his luck. After the US approved murder there was no truly capable and stable leadership for the Republic of Vietnam except a rotation of generals and third rate politicians. A Francophone Catholic tending Vietnam had a core of support far greater than the US or Aussie backed westernized state could have. And most of all leadership.

Ukraine certainly is lucky in its civil and military leadership and the West is not trying to micromanage that. Zelenskiy has kept back from the Porodshenko project of the Kyiv Patriarchate (and could do no other as a Jewish man) yet it is almost displacing the Moscow Orthodox jurisdiction organically.

Perun vid with retired US Lt Gen Ben Hodges on how Ukraine is trying to make its 700k army a realistic force to clear out Russia from Ukraine and deter any repeats.


Vlad Vexler on the Kremlin politics of the latest Russian terror strike

 
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The US is walking on thin ice right now when it comes to the approval of Europes population. In the recent protest in Berlin against Sanctions and Inflations you had banners like "American go home" or "How can you sit and watch TV while our "friends" bomb our pipeline". The US knows that and they know that european countries would have caved to the large protests this winter and lifted sanctions, no better way to counter that than blow up the pipeline that supplies it.


Mentality towards the US is the same here in Austria and Italy, people know whos fueling and prolonging this proxy war.
There may genuinely be a ton of people in countries throughout Europe that would kill a stranger's firstborn to have cheaper energy prices, but it's not going to happen with Russia's natural gas so long as Russia is wanting to keep their bullshit going.

Lets say everyone stopped aiding Ukraine. You would then be opening the floodgates to tens of millions of Ukrainian refugees going into the rest of Europe to escape the chaos. Currently there's only something like 7.6 million Ukrainian refugees, which already led to all sorts of complaints from western Europeans who have their own struggling economies and housing shortages that now have to deal with Ukrainians competing over the same resources.

A fallen Ukraine means those refugees become a permanent fixture in those countries and also have a ton more coming over, as Ukraine losing doesn't mean every Ukrainian starts feeling like staying put there and happily living under the dictator.

Also regarding some of the protest videos you've posted, it's hard to say what they're even about. Some are about being anti-Rona vaccines, some reference the WEF (because obviously they want their stock portfolios to go to hell), and then you have some random signs pop up talking about the pipeline?

What even is this protest? I can sorta make out that the sign says direkt demokratisch (direct democracy) on it, then it cuts to a random woman with the Great Reset sign. The video reminds me of the video of a Polish nationalist parade that happened a few months back and some random guy had a BRICS sign. The video just focused on the one guy from various angles while the parade was going on which made a lot of viewers imagine the entire parade was some pro-Russia spectacle.

So I think you may just be reading what you want to in these video snippets of parades where people are just complaining they don't want the vax or want the government to help with energy prices.
 
What even is this protest? I can sorta make out that the sign says direkt demokratisch (direct democracy) on it, then it cuts to a random woman with the Great Reset sign. The video reminds me of the video of a Polish nationalist parade that happened a few months back and some random guy had a BRICS sign. The video just focused on the one guy from various angles while the parade was going on which made a lot of viewers imagine the entire parade was some pro-Russia spectacle.

So I think you may just be reading what you want to in these video snippets of parades where people are just complaining they don't want the vax or want the government to help with energy prices.


The giant banner in the front is basically against high gas, gasoline and energy prices. You also have anti-great reset banners and anti-vax mandate banners but the anti-mandate protests happened mostly end of last year and earlier this year, i took part in two of those.

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"Gasoline, Energy, Gas, Groceries - cheap instead of sanctions and higher taxes" "We won't freeze and hunger for your politics"
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To sum up these protests, people are upset that our current government is violating our constitutional neutrality and does whatever daddy EU tells them to. They are upset that the government picks a side in this war and supports the sanctions, going so far as having our retard foreign minister egg on Russia.
 
the reason isnt archaic or egotistical.

russia is fucking big and flat, and from western europe to mongols on the steps its always been invaded. having a border thats 2000 miles wide.

If they can push out to places where there are natural barriers they can shrink that 2000 mile wide border down to 300 miles.

Putin was playing pokemon trying to get security back ether by annexation or writing the security policy of those places.
Do I look like I give a fuck? Whatever the supposed reason is, it's still retarded. Based on what I've seen thus far, whether Russia has Ukraine under its rule or not makes little difference in terms of facing any potential invasion, as long as Russia is Russia. With outdated tactics, command structure and supplies corroded by corruption it stands no chance against someone like US.
And I already said why fear of land invasion is idiotic when you have a nuclear arsenal.
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But the worst part of this, the absolute worst part, is you fools demanding even more blood.
All that drivel about assumptions yet you put words in my mouth. I never wanted this war, I want it to stop as soon as possible, but I wouldn't demand it from Ukrainians merely defending themselves from an invasion, but the invader who started it in the first place. I don't see why Ukrainians should appease the entity that turned their lives into hell and give them what they want in exchange for peace, but it's their decision in the end.
 
Why isn't US invading Russia despite the latter giving them a good reason for it
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If not for that, Kremlin would've already been leveled as an eyesore that it is, with Abrams rolling through the Red Square. Because when it comes to conventional warfare, US has no equal.
lol
NATO is meant to keep peace in the region
All three of these are random.txt material.
 
"Belarusian military equipment on the move in Orsha, Belarus"
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While no one can never say never with this war, it seems likely that Belarus is just playing the role of a Russian missile launch site, airbase and logistics hub. Lukashenko is not going to order his small and not particularly loyal army against the Ukraine State Border Guard Service, LDF and military units in the north, that were well able to throw those Russian incursions which continued for quite a time after the Kyiv debacle.

POW camp for men who had joined the so called 'Luhansk People's Republic.' It is very much a military regime and happily their spiritual welfare is attended to.

 
I found this documentary made by a French reporter around 2015-2016 in the Donbas region. They also made a follow up documentary this year after the war begun, but it is not subtitled yet. Feel free to check it out if you're curious to know what was happening there back before the war.
Why did everyone overlook my post. . . 😔
 
My country is next to germany, i have been to germany several times, i have to endure german tourists. Germans are bureaucratic gutmenschen now, worried they might offend someone and are over-governing every little thing. They try to find a reason to ban every political party even remotely right-wing. The 4th reich won't start in germany thats for sure.
Sounds like Prussia/Germany in 1865 or 1921.

But let we talk about Turks in Germany: most sources are placing numbers from 1,5-3,5 milions (and they count all flavors of Turks), you told us that ist more than 25 milions. Rather big, can you told more about it?
It was a referendum
And citizens of Austria was giving a fuck about ecology in 1978?
 
Why did everyone overlook my post. . . 😔
Bonnel is a Kremlin propagandist peddling the FSB line and lie that Ukraine committed atrocities in the now Russian occupied but soon to be liberated Donbass.

The comments on it are botted or fake stuff posted in Moscow or Zigger cucks doing it for free.

Why shill for the pedo rat Putin?
 
Bonnel is a Kremlin propagandist peddling the FSB line and lie that Ukraine committed atrocities in the now Russian occupied but soon to be liberated Donbass.

The comments on it are botted or fake stuff posted in Moscow or Zigger cucks doing it for free.

Why shill for the pedo rat Putin?
Could you at least provide a source for all these claims? I don't see why a random French journalist would be in bed with the Kremlin.
Maybe I'm just being naive here, but the fact that you're posturing so defensively makes me really doubt how unbiased you are.
 
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Could you at least provide a source for all these claims? I don't see why a random French journalist would be in bed with the Kremlin.
C'mon not going over that FSB crap she put together. She likely isn't a pedo like Graeme Philips but Western Kremlin tools are sewer tier. It relates to the earlier hybrid, little green men invasion after the crook Yanukovich was kicked out by the Revolution of Dignity. Putin enjoys such impunity that he kisses the belly buttons of little boys in public. Search the thread. The present Kremlin fail and terrorism is relevant now, not disproving bad and ancient lies.
 
Sounds like Prussia/Germany in 1865 or 1921.

But let we talk about Turks in Germany: most sources are placing numbers from 1,5-3,5 milions (and they count all flavors of Turks), you told us that ist more than 25 milions. Rather big, can you told more about it?
Can i told more about it? So you can go offtopic even more instead of simply acknowledging that germany is no threat and no union is needed to prevent their expansion?
And citizens of Austria was giving a fuck about ecology in 1978?
Yes, a simple google search would have helped you.
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C'mon not going over that FSB crap she put together. She likely isn't a pedo like Graeme Philips but Western Kremlin tools are sewer tier. It relates to the earlier hybrid, little green men invasion after the crook Yanukovich was kicked out by the Revolution of Dignity. Putin enjoys such impunity that he kisses the belly buttons of little boys in public. Search the thread. The present Kremlin fail and terrorism is relevant now, not disproving bad and ancient lies.
Ok, I see. Thanks for your opinion.

I personally find it sad and somewhat disturbing, why do I keep seeing the same pattern of people drawing lines between their peers because they don't share the same opinion regarding x or y event..? It really gives me a dejà-vu feeling like what happened during the cold war, the isreal/palestine conflict, the covid crisis etc.
Personally I try to stay neutral and to seek truthful information.
Sadly, I've come to realize that it is very difficult to determine what happens during a conflict/crisis because of the fog of war and information warfare.
Of course I won't judge if you've chosen an ideological/partisan camp, that's your choice.
But I cannot respect people who try to twist reality so it matches their narrative.

I remain neutral when it comes to the Ukraine/Russia war because I can tell both sides are manipulating information to such a degree that it is impossible to determine with exactitude what is going on the battlefield. I shared Anne-Laure Bonnel's documentary because it seems legit, it's a French journalist going to the Donbas after the Euromaidan happened. There's little to no commentary from the journalist and mostly testimonies from locals of the region. It was done before the open conflict started, and I'm aware that this journalist received a backlash in the French mainstream press. But she was still platformed and allowed to share her feedback, which in my opinion doesn't look biased.
Anyway, my response ends here. I just wish Kiwibros didn't divide around this issue which is the Ukraine/NATO-Russia conflict.
Nobody wins in a war, everybody lose.
 
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While no one can never say never with this war, it seems likely that Belarus is just playing the role of a Russian missile launch site, airbase and logistics hub. Lukashenko is not going to order his small and not particularly loyal army against the Ukraine State Border Guard Service, LDF and military units in the north, that were well able to throw those Russian incursions which continued for quite a time after the Kyiv debacle.

POW camp for men who had joined the so called 'Luhansk People's Republic.' It is very much a military regime and happily their spiritual welfare is attended to.

is it so smart to show the documentry?
Ukraine is showing their secret weapon.
Of course, I am talking about Pallets, something that Russia has never heard about.
If they get a hand on this secret tech, who know what they can do with it?!
 
By your definition of "winning" Nazi Germany won in the Eastern front by inflicting higher casualties and smashing up Russian infrastructure and made them totally reliant on Western aid.
Are Ukrainian troops overunning Russian territory and closing in on Moscow right now?
 
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