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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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It's quite obvious that any legitimate Russian polity died with the Tsar. The Communists, capitalist oligarchs, and KGB spooks who replaced them turned the country into a slave state that bitches and whines at the world to be taken seriously, while their people continue to lag behind the rest of the world in terms of living standards. Granted, the latter also happened under the Tsars, but at least the Tsars had many friends abroad to make up for it. Russian culture, its way of life, its soul, died with the monarchy, and we're just left dealing with a zombie state that trudges on with blind, purposeless hate.
Nah, Soviet Union was basically just a continuation of many of Tsarist Russia's ideas with slightly new management. You can read foreigner's and Russian's own writings on Russia in the 19th century and it's honestly not that much different compared to what we're seeing now. Russia was built up mainly thanks to the Germans who immigrated there, Russians themselves are, well...not the most capable Slavs in history, so to speak.

You and others are also wrong that the West and Russia are "true" enemies. They still co-operate in Syria and I guarantee you that if Russia actually looks like it's seriously gonna collapse, US and friends are gonna do their best to ensure it doesn't happen even if it pisses off some people like the Poles.
 
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Nah, Soviet Union was basically just a continuation of many of Tsarist Russia's ideas with slightly new management. You can read foreigner's and Russian's own writings on Russia in the 19th century and it's honestly not that much different compared to what we're seeing now. Russia was built up mainly thanks to the Germans who immigrated there, Russians themselves are, well...not the most capable Slavs in history, so to speak.

You and others are also wrong that the West and Russia are "true" enemies. They still co-operate in Syria and I guarantee you that if Russia actually looks like it's seriously gonna collapse, US and friends are gonna do their best to ensure it doesn't happen even if it pisses off some people like the Poles.
The USSR fought against the Western Christian order. The Russian Tsardom saw itself as a part of that order. The USSR funded revolutionary activity against conservatives all across the globe. The tsars encouraged conservatism in neighboring countries like Austria and Germany. The USSR saw the Americans as a mortal enemy, an embodiment of everything wrong with the world. The tsars were friendly to the USA, sold Alaska to them, and even threatened war with Britain and France if they intervened against the USA during the American Civil War.

So it is the same today. The soldiers in Syria are the exception, not the norm. And if Putin's Russia falls, America wouldn't try to preserve it. More likely they will try to control whoever comes into power, or engineer a puppet to take over Russia on their behalf and make it an American ally/fuel source.
 
And if Putin's Russia falls, America wouldn't try to preserve it. More likely they will try to control whoever comes into power, or engineer a puppet to take over Russia on their behalf and make it an American ally/fuel source.
That is why the US is the biggest terrorist nation on earth. They stole $100 billion worth of oil from Syria so far.

Speaking of oil. Even more eco-terrorism from the US.
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The USSR fought against the Western Christian order. The Russian Tsardom saw itself as a part of that order. The USSR funded revolutionary activity against conservatives all across the globe. The tsars encouraged conservatism in neighboring countries like Austria and Germany. The USSR saw the Americans as a mortal enemy, an embodiment of everything wrong with the world. The tsars were friendly to the USA, sold Alaska to them, and even threatened war with Britain and France if they intervened against the USA during the American Civil War.

So it is the same today. The soldiers in Syria are the exception, not the norm. And if Putin's Russia falls, America wouldn't try to preserve it. More likely they will try to control whoever comes into power, or engineer a puppet to take over Russia on their behalf and make it an American ally/fuel source.
No, you've got it backwards. Neither the Russian Empire nor the Soviet Union were particularly opposed to the Western order, they essentially always played the role of the "designated bad guy" while working together everywhere else. Stalin was the only one who really saw the West as a mortal foe which immediately got toned down after he died (or was killed). The soldiers in Syria are not the exception. Russia and the US cooperate on a lot more than you think and if anything Syria is a look at WHO both the West and Russia consider their true enemy.

The only people who legitimately buy into the "modern Russia got corrupted by communism and wasn't always a rotten shithole that was in cahoots with the West most of the time" don't understand what goes on behind the scenes. Consider why Nazi Germany got bitch-slapped for shit that got the Soviet Union a light tap on the wrist.
 
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So basically, part of why Germany is so pozzed and leftist is because they reunified with East Germany and all the East German Commie intelligentsia who were brainwashed by the Russians managed to poison West Germany with all their bullshit.
no. east german commies were (are) more on the pragmatic side of things. attitudes and opinions in east germany were/are more in line with other former eastern block states (poland, czechia, hungary) than with west germany.
the poz in germany is the work of west german leftists, the types that were forced into exile (most of them to america) by hitler, but whose influence returned to the american ruled part of germany after the war
 
Musk has stated previously that Beijing disapproved of his rollout of Starlink in Ukraine, so this may be him trying to be diplomatic with China about where all he allows Starlink to be used.


Seems like he's trying to avoid having Russia or China get too upset with him, even if it's at the cost of friendliness with the US government. Main effect of this is probably that it makes it more difficult to use regular drones you can purchase off Amazon which Ukrainian troops have liked. I'd like to assume the US has supplied some sort of alternative as being entirely dependent on Musk to support communications would be odd.

Also it'd be kinda stupid to position one guy as the only thing standing in the way of shutting down all communications in the country, but who knows if the US really is that stupid or not. (I mean you just need to bribe one guy then to ensure Ukraine has a harder time fighting back?)
 
No, you've got it backwards. Neither the Russian Empire nor the Soviet Union were particularly opposed to the Western order, they essentially always played the role of the "designated bad guy" while working together everywhere else. Stalin was the only one who really saw the West as a mortal foe which immediately got toned down after he died (or was killed).
False. Stalin was actually the one who tried to get the Soviets to focus on building up Communism at home. His rival for Lenin's succession was Leon Trotsky, who wanted to start supporting Communist rebellions against the nations of the West. If anything, Stalin winning out led to the Soviets isolating themselves from the West, whereas if Trotsky won (which is, by some standards, what Lenin wanted, since he didn't want Stalin to succeed him) the USSR would've become a terrorist state funding rebellions and terrorist movements to install Communist governments across the globe. Which is something the Soviets kept on doing after Stalin's death; either by supporting Communist nations against America, or sending their troops to take over other countries like Afghanistan.

The soldiers in Syria are not the exception. Russia and the US cooperate on a lot more than you think and if anything Syria is a look at WHO both the West and Russia consider their true enemy.
And pray tell, who would that be?

The only people who legitimately buy into the "modern Russia got corrupted by communism and wasn't always a rotten shithole that was in cahoots with the West most of the time" don't understand what goes on behind the scenes. Consider why Nazi Germany got bitch-slapped for shit that got the Soviet Union a light tap on the wrist.
Because they were focused on the Germans at the time. Afterwards, the West saw the Soviets as the enemy and helped the Germans rebuild. And there were those in the West who wanted to use German army units as the first wave of the assault against the Soviets, and they began emphasizing the crimes of the Soviets during WW2. Not to mention that Germany was in shambles and the Soviets were not-it's hard to punish a country that you just gave enough weapons and supplies to fight a global war.
 
Bridges can be rebuilt.

Can't say the same for men.

Russia scraping at the bottom of the barrel for manpower against Ukraine:

Russian losses exceed 60,000:
 
Bridges can be rebuilt.

Can't say the same for men.

Russia scraping at the bottom of the barrel for manpower against Ukraine:

Russian losses exceed 60,000:
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Yeah im sure they are totally not lying about anything. How dare i think that a regime that kills their own citizens by labeling them russian collaborators would lie about stuff?
 
Bridges can be rebuilt.
They're just fixing the easy part right now, too. Looks like a relatively clean break right at a support column, so all they need to do is reattach the bridge and weld some extra supports in place on either end, just like splinting a broken bone. The other end is going to be a lot trickier, since the old parts will need to be cut away because their submersion will have degraded their structural integrity and new pre-fabbed parts installed, and the railway portion is a write-off thanks to the fuel fire. What's really bad is that one of the support columns got caught in that, so the upper part might need to replaced as part of the bridge being relaid.
 
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Yeah im sure they are totally not lying about anything. How dare i think that a regime that kills their own citizens by labeling them russian collaborators would lie about stuff?
Because even Russia admits to losing tons of men?

Putin admits to severe Russian losses in Ukraine:

When even your dear leader has to admit that his forces are getting their asses kicked, they're getting their asses kicked.

They're just fixing the easy part right now, too. Looks like a relatively clean break right at a support column, so all they need to do is reattach the bridge and weld some extra supports in place on either end, just like splinting a broken bone. The other end is going to be a lot trickier, since the old parts will need to be cut away because their submersion will have degraded their structural integrity and new pre-fabbed parts installed, and the railway portion is a write-off thanks to the fuel fire. What's really bad is that one of the support columns got caught in that, so the upper part might need to replaced as part of the bridge being relaid.
It'd be funny if they rush the repairs on the bridge to make themselves look strong, then they get a Chinese-style tofu-dreg construction bridge and it totally collapses the moment something big and heavy tries to cross.
 
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Yeah im sure they are totally not lying about anything. How dare i think that a regime that kills their own citizens by labeling them russian collaborators would lie about stuff?
They do, though. They're grabbing anyone they can, there's no real regulations. They send notifications to everyone that sound scary but carry no real repercussions if you don't come, but Russians don't know their rights and the ones brainwashed through TV just think that it's their time to become a(n) hero like in those countless movies fetishizing WWII, ignorant of what modern war entails.

There's a whole swathe of conscripts on the older side with serious chronic illnesses, some of whom even died without getting to the front as a result.
It got to this point for one reason only - Putin ran out of professional soldiers (or what counts as such in Russia) and his "operation" lacks manpower to continue fighting. Original invading force was exhausted (and LNR/DPR cannon fodder likely ran out). Volunteers and inmates throughout first half of this year couldn't make up for the losses.
So we have "partial mobilization", even though according to the government there's no war. What they're doing is coercing people to sign military contracts by deception and force to make up for what they've lost in this invasion to continue the grind. Whatever they manage to generate won't be enough to turn this situation around, low quality recruits (with many of them lacking any motivation to fight or even animosity toward the regime) won't just magically become viable combat units, even if there's someone competent to train them (doubt), let alone properly equip. Some of them already ended up killed/captured.
Meanwhile, something like 10k of Ukrainian soldiers are to deploy after training in UK. I know who I'd bet on between the two.

Putin is risking everything with this endeavor. This war is going to end him, one way or another.
 
This is hilarious, it claims that Russia is pushing the Ukrainians back... because of the missile strikes on power plants. The supposed advances are two villages and the continued attempt to capture Bakhmut.
 
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