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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Because even Russia admits to losing tons of men?

Putin admits to severe Russian losses in Ukraine:

When even your dear leader has to admit that his forces are getting their asses kicked, they're getting their asses kicked.
Do you retards even read the articles or do you stick to jerking off to headlines?

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One of those things is not like the other.
 
Fucking ironic considering the ziggers insist the west is exhausting their arsenals. At some point giving the Yooks A-10s might not be a retarded idea when rhe Russian armed forces regresses to Vietnam War era hardware. I'm surpised they ran out of T-72s already. I guess the majority of their reserve fleet was totally inoperable from neglect.
 
Fucking ironic considering the ziggers insist the west is exhausting their arsenals. At some point giving the Yooks A-10s might not be a retarded idea when rhe Russian armed forces regresses to Vietnam War era hardware. I'm surpised they ran out of T-72s already. I guess the majority of their reserve fleet was totally inoperable from neglect.
That reserve fleet probably slowly disappeared somewhere between the depot and the local inspector's new mansion.
 
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no. east german commies were (are) more on the pragmatic side of things. attitudes and opinions in east germany were/are more in line with other former eastern block states (poland, czechia, hungary) than with west germany.
the poz in germany is the work of west german leftists, the types that were forced into exile (most of them to america) by hitler, but whose influence returned to the american ruled part of germany after the war
I read a while back that the NVA made clear that a Tianamen Square response (for which Honecker congratulated the Red Chinese) was not happening. Despite that noble or at least reasoned act they weren't so well treated in newly unified Germany in respect of pensions. If Muscovites somehow rioted like Dagestanis, it isn't not clear the Russian high command would refuse. The Russian military seems degraded and the political generals of the post Soviet days vanished. The NVA was one of the most respected institutions of the DDR deliberately keep hold of Prussian traditions like drill, uniform and rank while the Bundeswehr were just US-NATO patterned.

It should also be said that for the Afgansty ranging from Spetnaz to conscripts (foolishly recruited from places like Moscow and St Petersburg, something Putin noted) for whatever atrocities were committed or mistakes made, they overall showed a skill level that's largely absent in the artillery spamming Putin army. There were things like the Foreign Ministry leaflets advising soldiers on conduct in villages where the Deobandi influenced culture was far different to anything seen in Central Asia or Dagestan or Tatarstan.

T-72s in storage seem to have been not remotely as well looked after as, say, Abrams in US reserve storage, and getting them working is surely harder when night vision and aiming systems are unobtanium on a large scale. I'm sure grey or black market sources will ensure Putin's compound has fully operational T-14, well perhaps. It's also strange that Putin idolises Tsar Alexander III, having a vulgar stature erected some years ago. That Tsar did repress Ukrainian culture, but started exactly no wars and was wholly German, even if he had the appearance and pose of a bluff Russian boyar.
 
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i'm not sure about that. rifles and such, sure, but tanks? what kind of black market is there for tanks?
Spare parts, collectors, literal scrap metal. Hell even if the tanks themselves are not sold, there is an insane amount of shit in the tanks that is valuable from optics to engine parts to literal copper wiring.

Besides which the black market in russia needn't be small scale.

Its been pointed out that its entirely possible that the reserve tanks were sold off to other nations in official sales under the pretext of being made for export, allowing whomever was supposed to have manufactured the new tanks to pocket the difference just by neglecting to cross those specific tanks off the reserve list, assuming there would never come a time when they would actually be needed
 
Scrap metal.
Also probably spare parts to be sold under the table to the equally corrupt african shitholes thgat are rife with ex-soviet gear. Or just the maintenence equivalent of robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you strip parts from some of your tanks, to keep just enough working to show off if the brass comes looking, you can simply pocket the cash meant for keeping the rest running.
 
i'm not sure about that. rifles and such, sure, but tanks? what kind of black market is there for tanks?
You don't sell a tank, you just sell off random parts until it no longer works.
You should be ashamed of yourself, there is nothing funny about war.
War isn't funny, but works of fiction are.
 
You should be ashamed of yourself, there is nothing funny about war.
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That the most "IM NOT GAAAAAAAAAY!!! IM SSSSSSSTTTTTTTTRAAAAAAAIGHT!!!" excuse of a nation in currentyear has its conscripts be filmed literally sucking eachothers dicks in a war zone by an enemy death robot before gettin blowed up mid sukk is unironically fucking hilarious.
 
You don't sell a tank, you just sell off random parts until it no longer works.
but again, what kind of black market demand is there for those parts?
like, if you steal a hundred AK rifles and a dozen crates full of 7.62x39 ammo for them, great! every warlord, rebel group or criminal organisation on the planet will be happy to get their hands on a shipment like that, and lots of random civilians will also be happy to buy a nice rifle like that.
but who the fuck is looking to buy spare parts from old soviet tanks? that stuff is useless to anybody except actual state militaries who operate the same tank, and those don't need to go through black markets because they can legally buy such parts from the official producers in russia.
 
absurd optimism, bordeline delusional
ho chi minh spent like 20 years of his life as a full time communist activist/politician/ideologist, first in france, then in the ussr and china, before returning to vietnam.
he was always 100% going to align the country with communism.

He got in bed with the French commies because they were advocating withdraw from French colonies and knew how to organize. He'd seen how soviet backed communist revolutions had disrupted other colonial powers.

Ho was a nationalist, communism was the means he used to achieve that end.

Zigger has a nice ring to it.

The 40 mile convoy says otherwise. They were going for a decapitating strike and failed. Their intention was to occupy all of Ukraine in less than a week.

Small quibble:
They were looking for a blitzkrieg smash-and-grab, but Russia wasn't looking to occupy all of Ukraine, and even if the break through had been successful, would have stopped their troops well short of any NATO borders because then they'd get Article 5'd. They just wanted to wring Ukraine's neck, force them into an unequal peace and come election time their puppets could run for office on a platform of "Ok, sure, we're Moscow stooges. But did Russia ever invade when their stooges were power? Kiss the boot or get trampled by it. Vote for me, and we'll have peace in our time." , which would probably work.

The 40 mile armored column was less about securing Ukraine and more about making Europe's citizens too scared to do anything.

As others said, there was no infantry, insufficient support & supply. This was wasn't an occupying force, this wasn't even a battle force, this was a show force for an international audience - "Even if you wanted to help Ukraine, do you think you can get enough for a force together that can respond to 40 miles of Russian armor in 72 hours? Sure you could defeat us eventually and take Ukraine back but it'll take 6 months to align and move the resources needed. And it'll be all over by then"

tl;dr:
Everyone is now remembering why they had US bases every 50 yards during the cold war, and why military budgets should be used for things that aren't conferences on how to ensure the military doesn't hurt tranny fee-fees.
 
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That the most "IM NOT GAAAAAAAAAY!!! IM SSSSSSSTTTTTTTTRAAAAAAAIGHT!!!" excuse of a nation in currentyear has its conscripts be filmed literally sucking eachothers dicks in a war zone by an enemy death robot before gettin blowed up mid sukk is unironically fucking hilarious.
You think it's funny when Ukrainians get blown up?
I am not pro gay activist but you are sick.
 
but again, what kind of black market demand is there for those parts?
like, if you steal a hundred AK rifles and a dozen crates full of 7.62x39 ammo for them, great! every warlord, rebel group or criminal organisation on the planet will be happy to get their hands on a shipment like that, and lots of random civilians will also be happy to buy a nice rifle like that.
but who the fuck is looking to buy spare parts from old soviet tanks? that stuff is useless to anybody except actual state militaries who operate the same tank, and those don't need to go through black markets because they can legally buy such parts from the official producers in russia.
What tanks we talking about here? T-72s?
 
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What tanks we talking about here? T-72s?
Actually T-62s right now, russian state media is proudly showing off how they are rapidly modernising hundreds of them because they are winning just so damn good

For reference this is like if the US was forced to resort to dragging extremely early M60s out the scrapyards or the UK was dusting off 60s era centurion tanks in 2022 after 8 months of a war with mexico/ireland
 
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