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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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American army combat veteran gives update about the Russian advance and the poor quality of the new Russian forces:

Again I ask, who is surprised by this? You take a bunch of poorly-trained conscripts and hand them rusty AKs, what could you expect?

At least it took over 2 years before the Tsar run the country into the ground.
And that his army took more ground then Putin has done.
For Putin, less then a year to ruin his army.
To me the clearest sign of the end of the Russian military is the Finns openly joking they'd need to race the Poles to St. Petersburg. At this point its only a matter of time before someone does something.
The K2PL MBTs Poland is getting have been redesigned inside and out to be just roughly as protected and survivable as the M1A2SEPv3/4s Poland also is getting. Major internal difference is the main gun ammunition is in isolated magazines with blow out panels much like the Abrams hull ammunition compartment with blowout panels.
Off topic-ish but more detail on the K2PL can be found in this thread. Tanknet Polish ARV and modernization thread.
All of this pretty much shows that for all of Modern Russia's bluster about being a great superpower, without the nukes left over from the Cold War period, they're nothing. Take away those nukes and make this a purely conventional war. Moscow and Saint Petersburg would be seized in a fortnight by the Ukrainian, Polish, and Finnish armies, while all of Putin's friends and propagandists would be crucified and used as street decor.
 
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Vatniggers are preparing for a new large scale offensive in.......guess when? February - March 2023 according to Meduza.


Well how did that played out last time ho?
 
Vatniggers are preparing for a new large scale offensive in.......guess when? February - March 2023 according to Meduza.


Well how did that played out last time ho?
"Plz stop kicking our asses and leave us alone for a while so we can recover and re-arm for a few months before we go back to murdering your people and blowing up your homes"
- Literal Superpower and worlds mightiest army 2022
 
"Plz stop kicking our asses and leave us alone for a while so we can recover and re-arm for a few months before we go back to murdering your people and blowing up your homes"
- Literal Superpower and worlds mightiest army 2022
Maybe the Ukrainians can use that time to get some nuclear silos ready, with nukes pointed at Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Let's see if the Russians are brave enough to cross THAT particular Rubicon.
 
Vatniggers are preparing for a new large scale offensive in.......guess when? February - March 2023 according to Meduza.


Well how did that played out last time ho?
Battle of Kiev 2.0 incoming. Monkee already basically lost the whole Southern front while the Donbass will forever stay a unwinnable trench shitfest so the only option is to double down and go full retard. Putin's ego is hurt, he will try to regain his reputation and he is probably still convinced that he can take Kiev if he only throws enough cannon fodder and T-62s at the enemy. I unironically belive that the conscripts will be more successful this time (but still fail) since they won't build up a 60km long circus convoy and will know what's going on (unlike the VDV).

Screencap this. The whole deal with Belarus is not a feint. Monkee will go for Kiev again next year.
 
Screencap this. The whole deal with Belarus is not a feint. Monkee will go for Kiev again next year.
Lukashenko is too pragmatic to go along with something this retarded. I won't say it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

Well done mr. diplomat... Christ. Some of these UA officials seem to think that they can afford pissing of allies, I'm sure Ukrainians are thrilled to hear about this.
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Screencap this. The whole deal with Belarus is not a feint. Monkee will go for Kiev again next year.
My (amateur) take is that this saber-rattling about how Belarus might enter the war and there might be another drive towards Kyiv is only to create uncertainty, so that Ukraine has to keep a portion of its troops tied up guarding the northern border just in case. But there's no realistic chance it will happen anytime soon, as Russia is already over-extended on every other front.
 
My (amateur) take is that this saber-rattling about how Belarus might enter the war and there might be another drive towards Kyiv is only to create uncertainty, so that Ukraine has to keep a portion of its troops tied up guarding the northern border just in case. But there's no realistic chance it will happen anytime soon, as Russia is already over-extended on every other front.
They're also trying to show Ukraine and the world that they aren't going to stop if Ukraine doesn't, which would mean a lot more suffering and death. Even at the cost of Russian lives, like the Russian saying goes: "Beat your own, so others are afraid".

There's a lot of push for "peace" lately, but only at the cost of Ukraine agreeing to Russia's unreasonable demands. Because appeasement worked so well in the past, right?
IMO it's a hail mary attempt to make the prospect of prolonged war look even worse for those supporting Ukraine so that they're forced to negotiate a peace deal (which Russia is totally going to respect, for real this time).
But if that fails, Russia would have to commit, or Putin risks losing face... again. Al of this for his fragile ego. Which in turn further destabilizes Russia itself.
Regarding Starlink, apparently Elon Musk made it known that he can't run free Starlink for Ukraine indefinitely early in September, so that whole Twitter debacle is just a coincidence. Someone would have to pay for it, of course, it's only just.
There's an interview on the matter with one of Zelensky's advisers, but it's in Russian. This man speaks of Musk with respect, acknowledging his eccentricity as a given, and that the matter of Starlink is being discussed. I mean, with all that aid money, it shouldn't be a problem to pay Elon for what's undoubtedly a monumental help to Ukrainian people when their infrastructure is being targeted by invaders. I would imagine internet is the only thing that keeps a lot of people sane these days, myself included.
 
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Lukashenko is too pragmatic to go along with something this retarded. I won't say it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

Well done mr. diplomat... Christ. Some of these UA officials seem to think that they can afford pissing of allies, I'm sure Ukrainians are thrilled to hear about this.
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I've said it before: Twitter makes people into abject morons.
 
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Gas consumption of private households in Germany adjusted for temperature so far. It's compared with the average of the years 2018 to 2021. Consumption is so far way below the usual.
dont know anyone who actively restricts heating or cooking right now tbh
but it's also not very cold here (yet) so i'm barely even using the heater at all. numbers will be more interesting in december and january.

i do however know that a lot of people have been looking to replace gas (and oil) heating systems in their homes with electric heat pump systems recently. no idea how widespread adoption of this stuff is, but that might explain lower overall gas consumption
 
Lukashenko is too pragmatic to go along with something this retarded. I won't say it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

Well done mr. diplomat... Christ. Some of these UA officials seem to think that they can afford pissing of allies, I'm sure Ukrainians are thrilled to hear about this.
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Musk basically told Ukraine to stop fighting and let Russia take its land and his justification was based on a 10 year old map that represented voting blocs that collapsed after Russia invaded in 2014 and now he's trying to take away Ukrainians access to the internet that he gave for free because one diplomat expressed his right to free speech and told him to fuck off. It's like satire.
 
Musk basically told Ukraine to stop fighting and let Russia take its land and his justification was based on a 10 year old map that represented voting blocs that collapsed after Russia invaded in 2014 and now he's trying to take away Ukrainians access to the internet that he gave for free because one diplomat expressed his right to free speech and told him to fuck off. It's like satire.
Yikes, sweaty. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
 
Musk basically told Ukraine to stop fighting and let Russia take its land and his justification was based on a 10 year old map that represented voting blocs that collapsed after Russia invaded in 2014 and now he's trying to take away Ukrainians access to the internet that he gave for free because one diplomat expressed his right to free speech and told him to fuck off. It's like satire.
He's not trying to take anything, to be clear. He's been doing it for free all along and it can't be cheap, which he made known prior to this debacle.
I can understand both sides of this. Elon's view on the situation is obviously naive, it's clear he's unfamiliar with the nuances and history of this conflict, and what it would mean to give Putin what he wants - he's tearing Russia apart trying to salvage his "special military operation" in Ukraine and is running out of political capital with increasingly unpopular decisions, ceasefire would just give Russia time to relieve societal pressure built up over the year, dig in on the occupied territory, learn and rebuild however they can for the next push. Any peace deal that doesn't involve Russia's complete withdrawal from Ukraine's internationally recognized borders is not going to last.
Time is on Ukraine's side, as long as the West keeps doing its part in supporting their efforts, which I don't see changing anytime soon. Putin's Russia is a major destabilizing factor that can't be ignored anymore. It would continue to be a problem until it's no more. Putin's ego will drive him into self-destruction as he demands more and more sacrifices from common Russians who's only seen war on TV, and now it came into their homes, invited by none other than Putin himself. I don't think whoever comes after is going to pick up his lost cause.

Elon probably has good intentions, but even smart people don't know everything, knowledge is not inherent, these things take time to learn, and I don't think he's got much of that on his hands these days. He also has a habit of just saying whatever is on his mind, he's capable of discussing these things with people who knows better and adjusting his views based on the information he receives, like any rational human being. Which is what pro-Ukrainian people should've done, instead of acting like goddamn children.
The ambassador's emotional reply and the overall kneejerk reaction from pro-Ukraine crowd was embarrassing in my eyes, it was very much typical Twitter. And while I don't expect much from your average Twitter user, experienced diplomat should know better, especially when it's not just optics at stake.
 
Didn't the Pentagon paid for 90% of the Starlink satellites? I don't really pay attention to this side shitfest since the Pentagon will just take care in some way or another, that the Starlink stays online.
No. Starlink is Musk's baby, paid for by SpaceX, because he wants to create a global ISP in space. How much of that is paid for from the money earned selling rocket space to the US government is anyone's guess, but I don't believe the US military has placed any satellites into orbit with SpaceX in any case.
 
No. Starlink is Musk's baby, paid for by SpaceX, because he wants to create a global ISP in space. How much of that is paid for from the money earned selling rocket space to the US government is anyone's guess, but I don't believe the US military has placed any satellites into orbit with SpaceX in any case.
I was about to reply when the post was deleted for some reason. I did some research, meaning I googled it, and this is what I found:

So far roughly 20,000 Starlink satellite units have been donated to Ukraine, with Musk tweeting on Friday the “operation has cost SpaceX $80 million and will exceed $100 million by the end of the year.”

The US federal government purchased more than 1,330 terminals from SpaceX to send to Ukraine at a cost of $3 million

Whatever Pentagon paid, it barely makes a dent in the overall cost, if this is to be believed.
Though in contrast with Twitter purchase for $40 billion for the sake of a pissing contest it's kind of... you know.
 
Vatniggers are preparing for a new large scale offensive in.......guess when? February - March 2023 according to Meduza.


Well how did that played out last time ho?

Let's be fair: It worked out pretty good... at first. There is still a lot of Red on the map of Ukraine. And again, while I hate to give the Vatniks any quarter, The Donbas/Luhansk pushes are gaining ground and may be able to take their strategic objectives of securing more rail connections and securing Donetsk airport: both of those would start making those fronts far more troublesome as Russians reinforcements and supplies would be getting delivered much closer to the fornt.
Of course their incremental gains there are not offsetting the disasters to the north and south.

Meduza’s sources close to the Kremlin also said that Russia would likely be willing to withdraw its troops from at least part of the occupied section of Ukraine’s Kherson region.
This got some solid guffaws from me. The way the battle lines are shaping up, unless there is a huge swing in Russia's favor if they don't withdraw troops from Kherson they are going to end up surrendering. Ukraine is set to knock out the main bridge into Kherson and if they can shut down the rail lines that is going to sever the logisitical connections. Russian troops are going to freeze and starve over winter until they surrender.
 
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This got some solid guffaws from me. The way the battle lines are shaping up, unless there is a huge swing in Russia's favor if they don't withdraw troops from Kherson they are going to end up surrendering. Ukraine is set to knock out the main bridge into Kherson and if they can shut down the rail lines that is going to sever the logisitical connections. Russian troops are going to freeze and starve over winter until they surrender.
Don't be ridiculous. Russians never freeze in winter. Surely General Winter isn't that capricious, despite being a key component of the Russian military. Right? Right?
 
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