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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Sorry, they pulled out of the *joint* investigation.

And because you can't read:

"German officials say they are working under the *assumption that Russia was behind* the blasts."

So they *assumed* guilt on behalf of the Russians and the results of the investigation show that it wasn't them.
Why do you think they would assume that, if not for the fact that Russia is a bad faith actor?

You're also wrong about who the article is pointing fingers at, it's not pointing them at anyone.

As said before, considering the bais going into the investigation, if it was conclusively the Russians you'd be hearing about it for months.

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It's not on the Russians to prove their innocence, it's on Germany, Sweden and Denmark to prove their guilt.
They can't prove it, so it wasn't Russia.
They may still find proof Russia did it.

Yeah.....or the new agreement between them and Sweden's pending entry into NATO has nothing to do with it.
It has nothing to do with it.
 
https://eurasiantimes.com/nasams-are-on-their-way-to-ukraine-can-russia-counter/
Another big article. TL;DR we're shipping Ukraine SAM systems that can receive a designated target from something like AWACS, no need for vulnerable land-based radar sets.

Its not a SAM, it is a point-defense system with a fairly low range. Mainly an anti-cruise missile system.

This is still big. The fact it can get data from AWACS means Russia cannot blind it without directly attacking US military equipment. This will likely be deployed around Kiev, and will shoot down any cruise missiles headed in that location.

tl;dr: When deployed, this will prevent Russia from strategic missiles strikes, Nuke or Conventional payloads, unless they use hypersonics. Russia could still deploy tactical nukes, but a temper tantrum where they lob a SRBM at Kiev will be off the menu, unless Russia wanted to embarrass themselves even further.
 
Its not a SAM, it is a point-defense system with a fairly low range. Mainly an anti-cruise missile system.
40km range is not atypical for MRAD weapons, and is on-par with I-HAWK. NASAMS even stands for "Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System". Naturally in US usage we change "Norwegian" to "National", and might as well since its 90% or so US systems and components exported to Norway. Keep in mind the missile that's being fired is either the AMRAAM or AMRAAM-ER, which is just the AMRAAM with an extra booster for use in surface launch.
 
Then we fundamentally disagree except on the bit about NATO almost being proven redundant. There is nothing to be gained from prolonging bloodshed and shrugging off the destructive power of Russia is foolhardy, though I certainly understand the temptation since their tech has proven to be stuck in the past.

Its funny you think Ukraine itself is that important. The land isn't that important to East or West. This is all an ideological pissing contest at that level.
Okay, so you're just being obtuse on purpose then. Well, I tried.

Families of those mobilized in #Yakutia will be helped with cabbage, onions, and carrots. However, this "action of generosity" is valid only in October and only on a one-time basis. It is not expected that the families will receive cash payments.
Interesting fact is that in the state of war, where you would usually expect mobilization to happen (the two go together), families are supposed to be provided with food and other supplies all year round according to the law. Idiots expecting to die but hoping that compensation would arrive to their poor families are way too optimistic, all things considered - there's not even enough money to equip them.
 
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They may still find proof Russia did it.
Except the investigation is concluded. "New" evidence after that fact would be a joke.

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Also, Russian destruction of the pipeline is the best pretext for war against Russia they could ever want considering how it fucked over a pipeline that belonged to Germany.

The Germans admitted to knowing who sabotaged it and aren't going to take action against them?!?!? Now they just look like pussies and cucks on an international level.

Why do you think they would assume that, if not for the fact that Russia is a bad faith actor?

Bad faith actor? For what? The US and Euro-cucks so scared of Russia they have been extending NATO forward trying to box them in for decades. US took a similar action towards Cuba when the Soviets wanted to plant missiles on their doorstep...

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Russia defending ethnic Russians in the Donbas and Crimea from the atrocities being committed against them by the Ukrainian's.

Or

The referendum taken by Russia to establish their independence from the Ukraine. All done without persuasion as proofed by international observers from China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Bhutan.

Also perfectly legal, if you think it isn't take a look and Europe and the US actions over Yugoslavia and Kosovo and the precedents set by them over the exact same situation.

It has nothing to do with it.

Sure, if you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.
 
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Except the investigation is concluded. "New" evidence after that fact would be a joke.

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Also, Russian destruction of the pipeline is the best pretext for war against Russia they could ever want considering how it fucked over a pipeline that belonged to Germany.

The Germans admitted to knowing who sabotaged it and aren't going to take action against them?!?!? Now they just look like pussies and cucks on an international level.
No, they're just going to protest against them and give more weapons to Ukraine, which is more than enough to deflower the Russians.

Bad faith actor? For what? The US and Euro-cucks so scared of Russia they have been extending NATO forward trying to box them in for decades. US took a similar action towards Cuba when the Soviets wanted to plant missiles on their doorstep...
Except America allowed Cuba to remain Communist. They just disagreed with nukes being there. Meanwhile, Ukraine joining NATO wouldn't hurt Russia if they were still allied with NATO like they were in the 90s.

You only have something to fear from NATO if you're a bad faith actor.

Russia defending ethnic Russians in the Donbas and Crimea from the atrocities being committed against them by the Ukrainian's.
Horseshit propaganda. They probably got these ethnic Russians killed in the war with Ukraine. If the Ukrainians didn't hate Russians before, they do now.

The referendum taken by Russia to establish their independence from the Ukraine. All done without persuasion as proofed by international observers from China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Bhutan.
India persecutes Christians and Muslims. China, too. South Africa is confiscating land from white farmers. These international observers of yours have blood on their hands that makes them far from being objective. That's like me creating a religious tolerance tribunal managed by Saudi Arabia, or a Freedom of Expression conference managed by North Korea.

Also perfectly legal, if you think it isn't take a look and Europe and the US actions over Yugoslavia and Kosovo and the precedents set by them over the exact same situation.
US and NATO only responded to the violence already happening there, they did not initiate the violence themselves.

Sure, if you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.
If it's made in Russia or China, I'm better off not buying it.
 
India persecutes Christians and Muslims. China, too. South Africa is confiscating land from white farmers. These international observers of yours have blood on their hands that makes them far from being objective. That's like me creating a religious tolerance tribunal managed by Saudi Arabia, or a Freedom of Expression conference managed by North Korea.
Oh, my man... If only you knew how bad things really are.
https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1570559808075599872?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...anger-reaction-kingdom-hrf-mona-a7700866.html

Anger over Saudi appointment to UN Women's Rights commission​


That of course is not getting into Amnesty International going so deep down the "West is bad" rabbit hole to condemn Ukraine's actions in self-defense while willfully turning a blind eye to Russian misdeeds.
 
Oh, my man... If only you knew how bad things really are.
https://twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1570559808075599872?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...anger-reaction-kingdom-hrf-mona-a7700866.html


That of course is not getting into Amnesty International going so deep down the "West is bad" rabbit hole to condemn Ukraine's actions in self-defense while willfully turning a blind eye to Russian misdeeds.
Well, that's more proof that Russia's international allies are about as objective and unbiased as they are. By which I mean, not at all.
 
Sanctions and migration of qualified staff able to maintain them.

They have very small number of T-34 in any shape. AFAIR they was forced to buy some from Laos for use on military parade.

In 2014 or 2015 one of separatists "republics" used (or just take from historic exhibition) another tank from WWII, KV-2 or IS-something, but that was more like propaganda than frontline battle.


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My sweet, ideology or religion are only a thing to make citizens ready to die for the glory of homeland or something like that. It is alwats about money and business.

Rodnovery alkafirs (check the "rodnovery") on the field probably belive in their bullshit when their get killed by bullets, but the one that founded their equipment and is sending them to death is a cynical bastard - he must be, because to make a career in eastern european shithole it is the best and only option. Maybye some idiots are going to their death with mind full of shit about "if we lose this war, the West will turn us LGBT" but also - Putin probably don't give a fuck about faith, ideology or anything like that.

Yeah, I mentioned earlier in the thread that the T-34s Russia has in service for their parades were built in the 1950s by Czechoslovakia, and were indeed were previously owned by an Asian country (Vietnam or North Korea maybe). I believe Russia traded T-72s for them, tank for tank. The Czech models made in the 50s were far better built than the WWII-era Soviet Russian built T-34s, which were absolute shit. During WWII you had T-34s (barely) rolling out of the factory without rubber seals around the hatches, no rubber on the tracks or road wheels, transmission gears that weren't heat treated, hull armor that was poorly heat treated and britle so it would shatter and spall when hit, periscopes and gun sights that (maybe) had polished metal in place of glass, and so many, many other problems. They were a joke, but it's literally national law in Russia to practically worship them as the greatest tank of the era.
 
Well, that's more proof that Russia's international allies are about as objective and unbiased as they are. By which I mean, not at all.
Nobody is objective and unbiased, especially when things get heated like they are in Ukraine. I'll be the first to admit I am absolutely rooting for Ukraine simply because Russia is Asshole.
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Do you know when I saved that image to my PC? May. Of last year. The shooting that nobody was anticipating would happen wouldn't start for another 10 months and yet people were already pointing out and mocking Russia's endless and eternal dickbag behavior towards its neighbors. I want those fuckers to get their shit pushed in so hard by the ho-ho-hohols so many people here laugh at things spiral into another collapse and Russian Civil War simply because under Putin they've been so endlessly intent on recreating the glory days of the USSR I want them to finally stop and tend to their own goddamn business at home instead of fucking around with people who just want Moscow to leave them the fuck alone.

Maybe things will finally improve and be less shit, but you know what, this is Russia we're talking about. And as I've said before, "And then things got worse..." is an apt summation of their entire history. But you know what? At least they'll be Russia's problem instead of NATO's.
Yeah, I mentioned earlier in the thread that the T-34s Russia has in service for their parades were built in the 1950s by Czechoslovakia, and were indeed were previously owned by an Asian country (Vietnam or North Korea maybe). I believe Russia traded T-72s for them, tank for tank. The Czech models made in the 50s were far better built than the WWII-era Soviet Russian built T-34s, which were absolute shit. During WWII you had T-34s (barely) rolling out of the factory without rubber seals around the hatches, no rubber on the tracks or road wheels, transmission gears that weren't heat treated, hull armor that was poorly heat treated and britle so it would shatter and spall when hit, periscopes and gun sights that (maybe) had polished metal in place of glass, and so many, many other problems. They were a joke, but it's literally national law in Russia to practically worship them as the greatest tank of the era.
I see someone else saw LazerPig's video on the T-34.

EDIT: For those unaware of said video:
Yes, its an hour long, mostly because the T-34 is that fucking shit yet so fucking over-hyped.
 
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You in 1776: "Why do you damn colonists keep fighting the British like this? There's no excuse for prolonging the bloodshed!" Its hard not to feel sympathy for Ukraine given they're doing their best to escape the Muscovite Yoke.
I can be very proud as an American that our founding fathers did not fight a war to go bounding into globalist hands. Zelensky isn't a quarter of the man Washington was in deed or stature.

England also wasn't threatening the rest of the world with nuclear weapons. The only heroes in this war are the ones with no choice but to be on the ground fighting. Neither side is worth dying for.
 
I can be very proud as an American that our founding fathers did not fight a war to go bounding into globalist hands. Zelensky isn't a quarter of the man Washington was in deed or stature.

England also wasn't threatening the rest of the world with nuclear weapons. The only heroes in this war are the ones with no choice but to be on the ground fighting. Neither side is worth dying for.
I'm surprised you're able to move your mouth with that fencepost shoved so far up your ass it has to be tickling your uvula. Have you considered a career as a Twitch streamer?
 
I can be very proud as an American that our founding fathers did not fight a war to go bounding into globalist hands. Zelensky isn't a quarter of the man Washington was in deed or stature.

England also wasn't threatening the rest of the world with nuclear weapons. The only heroes in this war are the ones with no choice but to be on the ground fighting. Neither side is worth dying for.
You know what a fantastic way is to have a country that never once fucks up or makes questionable choices?

Not having a country.

Either Ukraine wins the war and they can decide to be globalist or not, or they lose the war and they are de-facto globalized as a territory of a foreign power.

And the only way to argue that Zelensky "chose" this war is to say that he didn't drop trou and take Putin's dick up his ass. That was the alternative to "choosing" this war.

I hope you're getting paid for such shit arguments. It's embarrassing to think you would say such things of your own volition.
 
You know what a fantastic way is to have a country that never once fucks up or makes questionable choices?

Not having a country.

Either Ukraine wins the war and they can decide to be globalist or not, or they lose the war and they are de-facto globalized as a territory of a foreign power.

And the only way to argue that Zelensky "chose" this war is to say that he didn't drop trou and take Putin's dick up his ass. That was the alternative to "choosing" this war.

I hope you're getting paid for such shit arguments. It's embarrassing to think you would say such things of your own volition.
Considering Zelensky is the one who instated the draft and forced people to stay, there is nobody in Ukraine with more choice than Zelensky.

Globalism: it seems asinine but I will point out my problem isn't with it as a concept (If I hate people cooperating across borders why would I be on the internet?) but it is a more convenient term than listing organizations such as the UN, the EU, various corporate think tanks, and all the rest of the rich assholes that are ruining the west, along with all the disgusting folks and blue checkmarks who were the first to call for support of Ukraine and pump out fairy tales to garner support. I don't exactly support the choice of others in joining their ranks one way or another, as I myself do not like these people. I know it is convenient for you all to forget, but the 2014 revolution was heavily backed by western interests who didn't like that Ukraine's current president favored a deal with Russia over their less favorable deal. Sure subterfuge and encouraging and arming a coup it isn't rolling through cities and dropping vacuum bombs and threatening the world with nuclear war, but the lone underdog being threatened by a completely unrelated distant enemy narrative was simply never true. This is a pissing contest and a power struggle between foreign powers with Ukraine in the middle of it. Naturally then my hope is the every day people and even the soldiers caught in the middle of it get to go home (or in many cases stay home) and enjoy their lives rather than be caught in the middle of a rotten war in the name of rotten people.
 
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No, they're just going to protest against them and give more weapons to Ukraine, which is more than enough to deflower the Russians.

But it wasn't the Russians so what reason would they have to protest them? They could give Ukraine weapons if they weren't to busy selling them to the Saudi's for oil.

Except America allowed Cuba to remain Communist. They just disagreed with nukes being there. Meanwhile, Ukraine joining NATO wouldn't hurt Russia if they were still allied with NATO like they were in the 90s.

Russia isn't trying to change the Ukraine government either wtf are you on about?

You only have something to fear from NATO if you're a bad faith actor.

No, good faith or bad faith they're still shit scared of the Russian bogey man regardless and tried to plant missiles on their doorstep.

Horseshit propaganda. They probably got these ethnic Russians killed in the war with Ukraine. If the Ukrainians didn't hate Russians before, they do now.

So, the horseshit propaganda is perfectly fine when the US want to invade Iraq though right...

India persecutes Christians and Muslims. China, too. South Africa is confiscating land from white farmers. These international observers of yours have blood on their hands that makes them far from being objective. That's like me creating a religious tolerance tribunal managed by Saudi Arabia, or a Freedom of Expression conference managed by North Korea.

Name a country in the world that doesn't have blood on its hands. US and its people shouldn't really be throwing stones on a subject like that considering its warcrimes.

US and NATO only responded to the violence already happening there, they did not initiate the violence themselves.

But fully willing and able to take advantage of it regardless. They still did the same thing, they still set the precedent, they still made it legal to do so.

If it's made in Russia or China, I'm better off not buying it.

Made in Detroit.....oh wait nothing is made there anymore because it's a dead city.

So far we've got Brazil, India, China, South Africa all siding with Russia.
Recently the Saudi Arabia sided with them as a fuck you to the US and to top it off recently even Turkey sided with Russia. Meaning Turkey will soon be a major gas hub into Europe via Turk stream.

Europe and the US are sucked so far up their own arseholes to even realise the world is shifting.
 
Russia is tearing itself apart, and this desperate move from Russia will not change anything.

In months now, they have not had a single long-term victory on the battlefield. Now suicide droning infrastructure and mostly civilian targets are not going to change this as a large number of troops will still be killed. All this does hurt civilians as it is not Ukrainian industry that is building guns and tanks it is European/US.
Now, if Belarouse joins the war, I think we will finally see some escalation, and we could maybe see NATO forces join into this war.

I do not look forward to being called op and having to fight, but hey, there are worse ways to die than killing Russians.

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Anyway, for some fun

China dumps dud chips on Russia, Moscow media moans

Chances are they had to pay a premium for these chips. Their industry is FUCKED!!!
 
Nobody is objective and unbiased, especially when things get heated like they are in Ukraine. I'll be the first to admit I am absolutely rooting for Ukraine simply because Russia is Asshole.
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Do you know when I saved that image to my PC? May. Of last year. The shooting that nobody was anticipating would happen wouldn't start for another 10 months and yet people were already pointing out and mocking Russia's endless and eternal dickbag behavior towards its neighbors. I want those fuckers to get their shit pushed in so hard by the ho-ho-hohols so many people here laugh at things spiral into another collapse and Russian Civil War simply because under Putin they've been so endlessly intent on recreating the glory days of the USSR I want them to finally stop and tend to their own goddamn business at home instead of fucking around with people who just want Moscow to leave them the fuck alone.

Maybe things will finally improve and be less shit, but you know what, this is Russia we're talking about. And as I've said before, "And then things got worse..." is an apt summation of their entire history. But you know what? At least they'll be Russia's problem instead of NATO's.

I see someone else saw LazerPig's video on the T-34.

EDIT: For those unaware of said video:
Yes, its an hour long, mostly because the T-34 is that fucking shit yet so fucking over-hyped.

I actually knew a lot about the T-34 before finding LazerPig. I found out about LP about a month ago while looking for videos about the Moskva sinking and came across his video about the matter, and found that his analysis about the Russian invasion of Ukraine was incredibly apt and well-informed. I did learn a few things from his T-34 video, like the gears not being heat treated and polished metal being used instead of glass for the periscopes and gun sights. He's become one of my favorite YouTubers.
 
Except America allowed Cuba to remain Communist. They just disagreed with nukes being there.
Incorrect. They tried to assassinate Castro time and time again, even after the Cuban Missile Crisis, not to mention the Bay of Pigs Invasion. But wouldnt you say this mirrors what happened with Ukraine in Cuba's place and Russia in the US's place?
> a Nation heavily influenced by a neighboring Power breaks free
> it aligns itself with the Geopolitical Rival of the Power
> The Power tries to fuck with the Nation and keep it friendly
> nukes are stationed in the Nation
> after a period of negotiations (Cuban missile crisis/Budapest Memorandum) there are no longer any nukes in the Nation
> the Power proceeds to relentlessly fuck with the Nation, as long as it remains aligned with the Geopolitical Rival
Meanwhile, Ukraine joining NATO wouldn't hurt Russia if they were still allied with NATO like they were in the 90s.
Yes.
 
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