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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Oh good. Globohomo. Just admit youre a stealth vatnik at this point. If the war was unacceptable to the west theyd have pulled the plug. If the war was unacceptable to Ukraine theyd have surrendered already. If the war was unacceptable to russia theyd have withdrawn. The west looks out for themselves, sure, and they have apparently deemed the costs of supporting ukraine acceptable, with the alternative being the geopolitical problems of a ukraine under russia.
Are anti-globohomo, pro-Ukraine guys rare?
Nope, I don't think they are.
In fact, reflexively going to bat for whatever dumb neocon or neolib crap and defending these concepts as a whole just because Russia is pushing propaganda that disses them, is low IQ and stupid reactionary behavior that literally enables Russian propaganda that paints Ukraine and its "supporters" as globalist shills, trannies and homosexuals and so on.
I have a proposal to you guys.
Be normal, and support the territorial integrity of every state. Even if it's corrupt. Even if it's ruled by a dictator. Even if it's engaged in things you consider abominable.
Be consistent. And don't feed into Russian propaganda. It literally exists and thrives because people in the West cannot help themselves.
 
My point exactly. America's only reaction to any shortage in weaponry is to make more, and that usually eliminates joblessness at a rapid pace. The New Deal didn't kill the Great Depression, Pearl Harbor did.
Na. The Great Depression had already started to ease up a bit earlier with Cash-and-Carry in 1939 allowing arms sales to belligerents in exchange for gold (which pretty much sucked the UK's gold reserves dry, naturally) and then Lend-Lease later on.
 
Had they not cared about the Ukrainian people, Ukrainian people wouldn't have the option to request protection from multiple countries of the world with the expedited procedure that makes niggers seethe with rage and envy.
Barring isreal, i agree with you, and thanks to ukrainian refugees, eastern europe can tell nigger migrants that they're full... srysly though, hope things eventually calm down in a few years so that your people can return and rebuild
 
So what are the practical implications of the Kiev energy grid getting hit so hard? Does this actually matter from a military standpoint? Or is it just Russia throwing a tard tantrum?

I mean, when ISN'T Russia pitching a tard tantrum? Seriously, Impotent Putin gives some of our worst lolcows a run for their money.
 
So what are the practical implications of the Kiev energy grid getting hit so hard? Does this actually matter from a military standpoint? Or is it just Russia throwing a tard tantrum?
IMO just terrorizing civilian population and trying to break their will, perhaps under assumption that they get terrified and tired of it all enough to get rid of Zelensky and cause Ukrainian resistance to implode. I can see no other reason for it aside from petty revenge, and there's no reason why it couldn't be both.
From what I've seen, they manage to repair damage fairly quickly and keep the power on thus far at least.
Seemingly indiscriminate bombings of cities using suicide drones and inaccurate missiles is a terror campaign, destroying random buildings and killing civilians has no military value.

Also worth keeping in mind that any such act just increases the volume of aid Ukraine receives, including weapons, which is why Putin might be hesitant to cause a full-on humanitarian crisis. Albeit one also has to question their capability to do so, Russia's arsenal of missiles accurate enough to do it is limited, and is crucial for its security, so they have to be used sparingly. It's entirely possible that what I personally assume to be a gayop with the Crimean bridge was used to justify attempting that very thing, yet like everything they do it failed to achieve the intended result.
 
Imagine thinking UNITED STATES OF AMERICA would just sit on its ass and allow itself to run out of AMMO.
Yeah, just hire more workers and continue to pump out ammunition. People keep fucking forget that one of the reasons why the US became a major power is because we have a nasty habbit of profiting off of other peoples wars.
 
Yeah, just hire more workers and continue to pump out ammunition. People keep fucking forget that one of the reasons why the US became a major power is because we have a nasty habbit of profiting off of other peoples wars.
Well, at least you guys are getting paid, with yesterday's happenings Ivan in the factory can be forced to work overtime for free because Motherland needs it. But there's a silver lining, at least he isn't in the trenches!
Although he might still end up there, his wife could always take his place at the assembly line.
 
I agree on Musk, but he was still stupid about it. Good intentions can lead to bad results when combined with things like being poorly informed.

Maybe he knows something you don't?

Please recall he has all of their satellite communications.

My point is that "slow rolling" on the offense doesn't work in a modern war.
That shit works in older conflicts, not in modern war. Maybe, maybe, maybe you can make the point that surges of already-trained troops into counter-insurgency campaigns can make a serious difference, but as we are seeing now not in a modern conventional war.

Sure it does. You are ignorant of modern war I guess? Russia's artillery heavy, that's what they do. All sorts of news about it for decades.

Anyways, the video has probably already been posted several times now, but here's Perun talking about visually-confirmed losses demonstrating how some of Russia's best units have been taking the brunt of the beating in Ukraine.

That's neat. But anyway, according to USA intel and Ukraine estimates in freely available articles printed all over, Russia has 60-70% of it's modern tank forces left (and much more of Air Forces, etc.).

"No u"
You literally addressed my point with "seems stupid to me".

Indeed. Claiming you know something that no one else involved knows, some sort of insight into this war, is what stupid does.

I was being polite, I'm sorry. Your claims are stupid, and you are stupid to have made them. They are not based on objective, observable reality.
 
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Yeah, just hire more workers and continue to pump out ammunition. People keep fucking forget that one of the reasons why the US became a major power is because we have a nasty habbit of profiting off of other peoples wars.
Look man, its not our fault Europe likes descending into a bloodbath every few years. We're populated by the descendants of people who got sick and tired of living like that. Yeah, we may sell them guns, but if we didn't they'd be using sticks and stones because they hate each other that much.
 
Imagine thinking UNITED STATES OF AMERICA would just sit on its ass and allow itself to run out of AMMO.
Prior this year's happy fun time, USA had been in peace time production for most military hardware, parts, and munitions. Since the Cold War ended and U.S. M.I.C. got Peace Dividend into oblivion.
Secondly USA is not out of ammo but did hit that warning line that it does need to get more ammo immediately. Not counting much of the old out of production surplus to requirements stuff USA have been sending to Ukraine.
Thanks to Putin's actions the money spigot have been set to full blast and the contracts done up and signed for shifting from peace to war production.
 
That's neat. But anyway, according to USA intel and Ukraine estimates in freely available articles printed all over, Russia has 60-70% of it's modern tank forces left (and much more of Air Forces, etc.).
Losing 30-40% of your non-disposable material in a given category would typically be considered a catastrophic loss, especially if you've gained very little in the process.
 
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