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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Let's say Russia were to get Washington state to become part of their territories through funding and arming a revolution in the Autonomous Zone and then having a democratic vote to become part of their territories. How the fuck do you think the rest of the United States would feel about that? Do you think they would just honor the Autonomous Zone?

This isn't hard stuff, even without going in circles over their fears of NATO and the biolabs they found after the fact.

Washington State is an internationally recognized part of the US. You're skipping about nine or ten steps.

Such as the step where Washington State would need to be populated by an a different people with a separate culture ( I know they are all slavs and all the mudpeople look the same, but this is a very important distinction for them.) and that after invading them unprovoked in the 1930s they were starved and deported all over the rest of the US for about 30 years until FDR died and they were allowed to return to their homeland. And 40 years after Washington state voted for independence, the US's puppet ruler fled the state, was replaced by a different leader. And only 8 years after that did the US decide that the CHAZ was gay & retarded.

(Also Can we switch the state in this example to California? I like imagining the genociding of Californians more than Washington which has some people who aren't full retard.)

Anyway, this is weird Apples-to-Potato weird Alt-History, and not actually explaining how killing civilians in another country upends the Left's strangle hold on the media.
 
Isn't this a common practice for a country facing military invasion, as harsh as it is? Correct me if I'm wrong. Or are you going to make the case that declaration of martial law under these circumstances was somehow unjustified? I'd like to see you try.
In that moment he acted solely in the interest of power, not the livelihood of his people. This is repugnant no matter the justification.
When considering the "bigger picture", have you ever thought about the long term implications that appeasing Putin would have, which is what you're in essence proposing? Considering you seem to be taking his claims at face value, I doubt you have. He openly denies Ukraine's right to exist, for starters, and he isn't letting that go. What would be a peace treaty worth without guarantees of protection from powerful allies, which is what Ukraine's "neutrality" that he demands entails? Really think about it for a moment.
I guess at this point it is a catch 22, because while I do think it was realistically a valid concern for Russia before the war began, it is hard to justify not having a NATO presence in a peacetime Ukraine now. I mean, it isn't but I wouldn't want to try telling that to Ukraine.

But really you are putting words in my mouth. I'm not proposing anything. Talking peace during or even after war is hard. War is horrifying and causes genuine hatred, and that is putting aside all of the reasons it is happening. I'm just saying it would be the best for everyone if it became an option.
Think Nazi Germany, that's a good place to start. Look up definition of this term, specifically as it pertains national identity, if you're unfamiliar with it.
Oh, so they are Nationalists. Okay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Washington State is an internationally recognized part of the US. You're skipping about nine or ten steps.

Such as the step where Washington State would need to be populated by an a different people with a separate culture ( I know they are all slavs and all the mudpeople look the same, but this is a very important distinction for them.) and that after invading them unprovoked in the 1930s they were starved and deported all over the rest of the US for about 30 years until FDR died and they were allowed to return to their homeland. And 40 years after Washington state voted for independence, the US's puppet ruler fled the state, was replaced by a different leader. And only 8 years after that did the US decide that the CHAZ was gay & retarded.

(Also Can we switch the state in this example to California? I like imagining the genociding of Californians more than Washington which has some people who aren't full retard.)

Anyway, this is weird Apples-to-Potato weird Alt-History, and not actually explaining how killing civilians in another country upends the Left's strangle hold on the media.
Look I gave you an analogy to avoid having to get bogged down in debates over how valid of a claim Russia has over Ukraine because that would be dumb. I was describing Russia's obvious motive (THEY think they have a claim) and how it is upsetting to lefties (and subsequently schadenfreude inducing) I'm definitely not trying to justify how this is effective. Really I could go pretty deeply into how Russia has dropped the ball, but I haven't even gotten to talk about tactics here. People are only interested in the fact I'm not on board with their glorious war effort.

And yeah whatever California. I'll admit that is a bad example for me because my reaction would be "yeah sure take it we don't want them."
 
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You know, it's also pretty fucking rich when these faggots claim that the West somehow forced Putin's hand to invade a sovereign country, but I can't say that it's a direct consequence of Putin's actions that Ukraine had to respond and everything that followed, including conscription. Because otherwise it wouldn't have happened, no two ways about it.
Ukraine didn't do anything to provoke Russia, their relationships with other countries is none of Russia's business whether they like it or not, period. Ukraine respected Russia's borders, it's Russia that violated Ukraine's. How do you motherfuckers even manage to come to the opposite conclusions?

Oh my, poor Russians are so threatened by NATO expansion, even though they have nukes that would turn any hypothetical invasion into a doomsday scenario for everyone (somehow nuclear deterrent worked all these years, but now magically it's somehow not enough)... how do you think countries such as Finland and Poland feel living next to Russia ruled by a KGB spook who admitted that his biggest regret is dissolution of USSR and already took steps to "remedy" it through military means? Are you people fucking insane?
In that moment he acted solely in the interest of power, not the livelihood of his people. This is repugnant no matter the justification.
How do you figure? How is this not just something someone in his position should do?
He was an actor prior to this, he has no history of being power hungry that you could point to.
Putin? I've got loads. He climbed party ladder all his life to get to higher position until he became a president (and there's so much shady shit in that whole arc of a story that would make Biden look like an angel in comparison), and after that did everything to stay in power for two decades, ensuring that no one could challenge him.
 
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In that moment he acted solely in the interest of power, not the livelihood of his people. This is repugnant no matter the justification.

I guess at this point it is a catch 22, because while I do think it was realistically a valid concern for Russia before the war began, it is hard to justify not having a NATO presence in a peacetime Ukraine now. I mean, it isn't but I wouldn't want to try telling that to Ukraine.

But really you are putting words in my mouth. I'm not proposing anything. Talking peace during or even after war is hard. War is horrifying and causes genuine hatred, and that is putting aside all of the reasons it is happening. I'm just saying it would be the best for everyone if it became an option.

Oh, so they are Nationalists. Okay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Look I gave you an analogy to avoid having to get bogged down in debates over how valid of a claim Russia has over Ukraine because that would be dumb. I was describing Russia's obvious motive (THEY think they have a claim) and how it is upsetting to lefties (and subsequently schadenfreude inducing) I'm definitely not trying to justify how this is effective. Really I could go pretty deeply into how Russia has dropped the ball, but I haven't even gotten to talk about tactics here. People are only interested in the fact I'm not on board with their glorious war effort.

And yeah whatever California. I'll admit that is a bad example for me because my reaction would be "yeah sure take it we don't want them."

I believe I have a right to your account, because since you quoted me, your posts contain some of my words. Please give me your password so I can log you out and delete your posts. This is my honest opinion that I truly believe. Ergo in the interests of peace, turn over your account so I can totally own the shitlibs. As a concession, I will not delete some of your posts but edit them so they are just "Nigger".
If you don't do this, the Left & Soros will win.
 
How do you figure? How is this not just something someone in his position should do?
I'm sure there is a guy in Russia saying the same shit about their draft too.

Yeah, I know you don't see it as a one to one, but the long and the short of it is I don't think borders should be closed down to force people to fight in a war. That was not an action done for the livelihood of his people. It was done to maintain power, be it land, status, ideal, not sure which, but it wasn't the lives of the people he led in mind. If Ukraine is really so plentiful in volunteers, that should have been enough.
I believe I have a right to your account, because since you quoted me, your posts contain some of my words. Please give me your password so I can log you out and delete your posts. This is my honest opinion that I truly believe. Ergo in the interests of peace, turn over your account so I can totally own the shitlibs. As a concession, I will not delete some of your posts but edit them so they are just "Nigger".
If you don't do this, the Left & Soros will win.
I don't think any shitlibs would be upset if you nuked my account, but I'm not particularly attached to it.
 
My point exactly. America's only reaction to any shortage in weaponry is to make more, and that usually eliminates joblessness at a rapid pace. The New Deal didn't kill the Great Depression, Pearl Harbor did.
The Zelenskiy-Putin war boom upcoming, Making America Great Again, well a bit.
 
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Maybe he knows something you don't?

Please recall he has all of their satellite communications.

Okay, even assuming that I think Musk has the time, ability, or interest to pour through the Ukrainian Starlink data, Musk's plan wasn't stupid because he misunderstood the numbers or something. It was conceptually flawed, and showed Musk's usual autistic manchild understanding of how people other than Elon Musk think or view the world.

Sure it does. You are ignorant of modern war I guess? Russia's artillery heavy, that's what they do. All sorts of news about it for decades.

But Russia's artillery sucks and their artillery crews suck. Their inability to be effective against Ukraine shows that.

That's neat. But anyway, according to USA intel and Ukraine estimates in freely available articles printed all over, Russia has 60-70% of it's modern tank forces left (and much more of Air Forces, etc.).

That's... not the good number you seem to think it is. Even if you assume that all of those 60-70% were properly maintained and supplied, they've still lost about a third of their mechanized forces in less than a year. Meanwhile Ukraine's mechanized force keeps growing, both from western powers supplying them and from capturing Russian units.
 
Ok, so Russia controls Crimea and no one who isn't Ukraine cares in any meaningful way. They have defacto control of their "ethnic areas". Ukraine is making zero border incursions to Russia.
So again, in what way is trying to blitz artillery to the capital, and shelling apartment buildings "destroying the left and imploding the Zionist?". How does Ukraine suddenly going full-tranny actually affect Russia or make Russia less secure?
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idk dude you tell me.
 
Maybe he knows something you don't?

Please recall he has all of their satellite communications.
How do you imagine that works? Elon Musk sits there and reads military communications going through Starlink? For example, if the U.S. Air Force uses Starlink, they're okay with Elon Musk having access to their communications? Don't you think it might have end-to-end encryption, because no military in the world would use it otherwise?
 
All those countries with all those NATO bases and Russia picks the one country that doesn't have one.
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You're welcome.
 
You are a disingenuous nigger and you know it.
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It's kind of funny, if you read your own image you dumb faggot would you'd realize none of the counties I listed have a NATO base. Also your sand nigger source is wrong. At present there are only 18 US bases in Japan and 21 in Germany. If there are really 120 in Japan and 119 in Germany, please find a list of them.



 
It's kind of funny, if you read your own image you dumb faggot would you'd realize none of the counties I listed have a NATO base. Also your sand nigger source is wrong. At present there are only 18 US bases in Japan and 21 in Germany. If there are really 120 in Japan and 119 in Germany, please find a list of them.



Isn't that still a huge red flag anyways?
Why are there so many American military bases in those countries?
How would you feel if China and Russia had dozens of military bases in the US?
Doesn't feels right at all.
 
It's kind of funny, if you read your own image you dumb faggot would you'd realize none of the counties I listed have a NATO base. Also your sand nigger source is wrong. At present there are only 18 US bases in Japan and 21 in Germany. If there are really 120 in Japan and 119 in Germany, please find a list of them.



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>At present there are ONLY 18 US bases in Japan
>21 in Germany
US wouldn't be planting military bases around the globe if they weren't belligerent warmongers.
How many foreign military bases in the US? ;v)
 
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