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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You mean the ceasefire agreement that was agreed on after Russia had already invaded and annex their fucking land? That agreement?
Nope, learn to read, Ukraine started being hostile with the people of their eastern territory when they manifested disagreement post-Euromaidan. Because guess what, denying Russian ethnics from practicing their native language will have political consequences.
Consequences that escalated from the regime unwillingness to negotiate for a peaceful resolution. And mind you, of course you ignored what I posted earlier. Because you have absolutely no argument against it:
Oh no... How inconvenient! Let me just ignore that because it doesn't fit my dimwit narrative...
 
I'm not taking any side. From a geopolitical pov it's in France's interest to side with the US, because Europe's dynamic is mainly dictated by the Heartland vs Rimland dynamic.
You can call me a contrarian to cope out of your retarded tunnel vision. I can't help myself but point out how fucking narrow minded and unable you are to take criticism or acknowledge pov that won't fit your ideological narrative.
I don't have any skin in this game, I don't care what happens to Russia or Ukraine.
But I do care about something, it's healthy conversation on KF.

You guys are taking this topic as if you were on the ground, aware of everything that goes on there.
You are fucking ignorant and it shows because you trivialize war as if it was just a game of CoD.
"Gotta beat dem dang Russkies!"
What the fuck do you know about Eastern Europe? About Ukraine? About Russia?
Stop acting like fucking twitter influencer and settle down.

I don't have any pretense to know what the fuck is going on there, and as Happy Fish said a few posts before, I give all my respects to the people suffering from this conflict. A conflict that could have been avoided if it was not so convenient to stir up post-covid.

I'll just end this message with a request. Please, don't satirize this conflict like people treated the covid crisis.
Reality isn't binary, with an antivax camp and a provax camp.
I know irl hinders people's ability to do research, but if you're on KF, you shouldn't be stupid fucks vomiting CNN talking points.
By that, I don't mean you should vomit what RT says. Just be independent and make up your own mind.
 
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Nope, learn to read, Ukraine started being hostile with the people of their eastern territory when they manifested disagreement post-Euromaidan. Because guess what, denying Russian ethnics from practicing their native language will have political consequences.
Consequences that escalated from the regime unwillingness to negotiate for a peaceful resolution. And mind you, of course you ignored what I posted earlier. Because you have absolutely no argument against it:
Oh no... How inconvenient! Let me just ignore that because it doesn't fit my dimwit narrative...
Nothing you said contradicts anything I said.
 
"Why don't Ukraine and Russia have a ceasefire?"

5th September 2014: Russia, Ukraine, DPR and LPR sign a ceasefire (Minsk)
September 2014 - Jan 2015: Shooting continues anyway, although less
Jan 2015: DPR captures an airport that was previously held by Ukraine
12th February 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway (Minsk II)
1st September 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway
1st September 2016: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting stops... for a while
24th December 2016: Another ceasefire is signed
20th February 2017: After an outbreak of fighting, another ceasefire is signed
24th June 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses within hours
25th August 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, both sides claim the other broke it
23rd December 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, immediately collapses
5th March 2018: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses in days
30th March 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses same day
1st July 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses in hours
29th August 2018: Another ceasefire fails
29th December 2018: Another truce takes effect, fails on the same day
8th March 2019: Another ceasefire takes effect. It works for a while.
27th July 2020: Another ceasefire. Fighting drops to a minimal level.
...
22nd February 2022: Vladimir Putin declares that the Minsk agreement isn't in effect anymore

Wikipedia says there were 29 total ceasefires, so I'm missing some
 
"Why don't Ukraine and Russia have a ceasefire?"

5th September 2014: Russia, Ukraine, DPR and LPR sign a ceasefire (Minsk)
September 2014 - Jan 2015: Shooting continues anyway, although less
Jan 2015: DPR captures an airport that was previously held by Ukraine
12th February 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway (Minsk II)
1st September 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway
1st September 2016: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting stops... for a while
24th December 2016: Another ceasefire is signed
20th February 2017: After an outbreak of fighting, another ceasefire is signed
24th June 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses within hours
25th August 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, both sides claim the other broke it
23rd December 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, immediately collapses
5th March 2018: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses in days
30th March 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses same day
1st July 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses in hours
29th August 2018: Another ceasefire fails
29th December 2018: Another truce takes effect, fails on the same day
8th March 2019: Another ceasefire takes effect. It works for a while.
27th July 2020: Another ceasefire. Fighting drops to a minimal level.
...
22nd February 2022: Vladimir Putin declares that the Minsk agreement isn't in effect anymore

Wikipedia says there were 29 total ceasefires, so I'm missing some
This man knows the way. You can't be sure unless you level all of the former USSR to make sure none of them survive. They might get violent otherwise.
 
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"Why don't Ukraine and Russia have a ceasefire?"

5th September 2014: Russia, Ukraine, DPR and LPR sign a ceasefire (Minsk)
September 2014 - Jan 2015: Shooting continues anyway, although less
Jan 2015: DPR captures an airport that was previously held by Ukraine
12th February 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway (Minsk II)
1st September 2015: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting continues anyway
1st September 2016: Another ceasefire is signed, fighting stops... for a while
24th December 2016: Another ceasefire is signed
20th February 2017: After an outbreak of fighting, another ceasefire is signed
24th June 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses within hours
25th August 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, both sides claim the other broke it
23rd December 2017: Another ceasefire is signed, immediately collapses
5th March 2018: Another ceasefire is signed, collapses in days
30th March 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses same day
1st July 2018: Another ceasefire begins, collapses in hours
29th August 2018: Another ceasefire fails
29th December 2018: Another truce takes effect, fails on the same day
8th March 2019: Another ceasefire takes effect. It works for a while.
27th July 2020: Another ceasefire. Fighting drops to a minimal level.
...
22nd February 2022: Vladimir Putin declares that the Minsk agreement isn't in effect anymore

Wikipedia says there were 29 total ceasefires, so I'm missing some
It certainly does look like they must ceasefire harder than this
 
Honestly we should just nuke that side of the world. All of it. You faggots have convinced me. War is the way and blowing up all slavs is the only solution. Its not over until all of the former USSR glows in the dark from space.
What the hell is wrong with you you utter retard.
If you nuke the former USSR you will end up with atomized Slave AND Sandnigger (and Some Chink/Sandnigger hybrids). Humanity will be breathing Slav for the next 10 generations at least, and Slavism might be contagious.

We should bury the entire USSR under 100yds of concrete and then put new top soil down.

Anyway, your account is in my account's historical sphere of influence so please delete it and then never post again, anywhere.

I'm not taking any side. From a geopolitical pov it's in France's interest to side with the US, because Europe's dynamic is mainly dictated by the Heartland vs Rimland dynamic.
You can call me a contrarian to cope out of your retarded tunnel vision. I can't help myself but point out how fucking narrow minded and unable you are to take criticism or acknowledge pov that won't fit your ideological narrative.
I don't have anything to prove in this, I don't care what happens to Russia or Ukraine.
But I do care about something, it's healthy conversation on KF.

You guys are taking this topic as if you were on the ground and knowing everything that goes on there.
You are fucking ignorant and it shows because you trivialize war as if it was just a game of CoD.
"Gotta beat dem dang Russkies!"
What the fuck do you know about Eastern Europe? About Ukraine? About Russia?
Stop acting like fucking twitter influencer and settle down.

I don't have any pretense to know what the fuck is going on there, and as Happy Fish said a few posts before, I have all my respect to the people suffering from this conflict. A conflict that could have been avoided if it was not so convenient to stir up post-covid.
I'll just end this message with a request. Please, don't satirize this conflict like people treated the covid crisis.
Reality isn't binary, with an antivax camp and a provax camp.
I know irl hinders people's ability to do research, but if you're on KF, you shouldn't be stupid fucks vomiting CNN talking points.
By that, I don't mean you should vomit what RT says. Just be independent and make up your own mind.

Your vatnik posting completely ignores Russia's behavior.

Putin is doing an early Hitler. and I don't mean rounding up the Jews and Gypsies for extermination (though if he was rounding up the Gypsies for extermination I'm pretty sure Putin would be able to march his forces to Lisbon and be met with only cheering crowds hailing him as their liberator.)
What I mean is he is exploiting the Eurocuck's tendency to return to their roots of being low-t serf cucks, by signing treaties and then promptly ignoring them when its clear the other side is holding up their end.
 
What the hell is wrong with you you utter retard.
If you nuke the former USSR you will end up with atomized Slave AND Sandnigger (and Some Chink/Sandnigger hybrids). Humanity will be breathing Slav for the next 10 generations at least, and Slavism might be contagious.
That is why you have to use nukes. Irradiate the particles to kill all the slav germs.

We should bury the entire USSR under 100yds of concrete and then put new top soil down.
We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. First thing is first is ensuring total slavdeath.
 
What I mean is he is exploiting the Eurocuck's tendency to return to their roots of being low-t serf cucks, by signing treaties and then promptly ignoring them when its clear the other side is holding up their end.
I'm pretty sure the US initiated that by pushing for the EU in the first place.
Jean Monnet was a sell out and a pawn working for the US.
 
I'll just end this message with a request. Please, don't satirize this conflict like people treated the covid crisis.
Reality isn't binary, with an antivax camp and a provax camp.
I know irl hinders people's ability to do research, but if you're on KF, you shouldn't be stupid fucks vomiting CNN talking points.
By that, I don't mean you should vomit what RT says. Just be independent and make up your own mind.

There is a particular form of logical failing that crops up in a lot of people. The false compromise. The idea that either side of an issue is wrong, and the truth is somewhere in between. Sometimes it's true. But sometimes there is no real compromise. Sometimes things are effectively binary. Sometimes there really are only two paths to take, and yeah, sometimes they both suck and you're just left picking which one sucks less. But that doesn't mean the dilemma doesn't exist.

A person can do independent research and still decide that one side of an issue is the more justified, supportable, or morally consistent position. You don't have to be falling for propaganda to have a view that aligns with the propaganda. The alternative isn't free thought, it's just contrarianism dressed up and called enlightenment. Of course, any three year old has already discovered the wonders of contrarianism.
 

Some or a few don't like Jake Broe (someone called him a former 'wing wiper' or whatever) but this seems quite a strong effort at picking the brain of Danish naval officer, (commander) and lecturer at the Royal Danish Naval Academy Anders Puck Nielsen and gives an insight into a military analyst. Wears his uniform for Danish TV and job but in civvies for Youtube. Notes that definite evidence does not exist for who destroyed Nordstream Two (but suggests that the balance of evidence favors Russia) or Kerch Strait Bridge (thinks Ukraine did so but that there are all number of theories including that it was an internal Russian dispute).


Nielsen on Russian government efforts to craft a plausible war narrative comformable to the demands of Zigger radicals and to comfort the bulk of the populace who've become rather agitated when this war has stepped out of the TV.


Kings and General gives a fairly full recent summary, but it sounds robo-voiced.


Vlad Vexler on the implications of the partial martial law which seems to be politicisation.

Nobody can disobey the supreme power openly in modern Russia. But many can do silent sabotage. For example: recruit “volunteer battalions”, arm & train them. And train them. And train them. And then find some other pretext to keep them at home and not send them anywhere.
Kamil Galeev notes some governors raise volunteers but just keep training them, which might portend something later.

Putin avoids assuming personal responsibility for unpopular decisions. So he delegates them to the governors, so that people blame them, not him. Lockdowns were super unpopular. So they were delegated to governors. Same with mass mobilization and other emergency measures
Kamil Galeev - Putin still isn't without cunning
 
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Because they lost WWII, at least initially. Later, because the governments of those countries wanted U.S. forces to stay.
Yeah, it turns out having a US base in your country is a great way to ensure none of your neighbors fuck with you. Its like a Celtic tribe having a Roman garrison nearby, but with even fewer demands made by the people ensuring safety and security.
 
Yeah, it turns out having a US base in your country is a great way to ensure none of your neighbors fuck with you. Its like a Celtic tribe having a Roman garrison nearby, but with even fewer demands made by the people ensuring safety and security.
People in the West always called us in East EU paranoid when we explained that history is not to be ignored and that large country nearby cannot control its historical greed and expansionism. Looked at us like small retarded brothers that don't understand that we're past the End of History and Global Citizens™️, sharing the same principles and traits, and having equally cozy cultures that valued peace.
We knew better, so we reluctantly accepted US bases here, because it's the only way we can attempt to secure some stability.
To be clear, we would prefer not to have US bases here, but keep good relations anyway, but that's fantasy now, and only Russia is to blame for making sure US is here to stay and that East EU will fear and hate Russia for a lot of decades.
 
People in the West always called us in East EU paranoid when we explained that history is not to be ignored and that large country nearby cannot control its historical greed and expansionism. Looked at us like small retarded brothers that don't understand that we're past the End of History and Global Citizens™️, sharing the same principles and traits, and having equally cozy cultures that valued peace.
We knew better, so we reluctantly accepted US bases here, because it's the only way we can attempt to secure some stability.
To be clear, we would prefer not to have US bases here, but keep good relations anyway, but that's fantasy now, and only Russia is to blame for making sure US is here to stay and that East EU will fear and hate Russia for a lot of decades.
Like I've said before, I legitimately feel bad for you guys in Eastern Europe. With the Germans on one side and the Russians on the other, you don't have any good options. Banding together with the Intermarium isn't going to work thanks to your own rivalries that either of those two potential aggressors will shamelessly incite and exploit, so all you can do is invite a third party in to protect you who has zero interests in territorial domination and is really only there because they hate those other two guys.
 

If things like this are filtering down to state television the higher ups definitely think there's a possibility of a major loss in Kherson, they're priming the public for it.

The guy they were talking to from Kherson gave by far the most stark (and accurate) warning regarding what's happening on the ground that I've ever seen in Russian media.
 
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