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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Iran's Revolutionary Guard is having drone operators/maintainers on the ground in Crimea

Remember kids, while the extended warranty is a scam, when you are buying in bulk the full service & maintenance plan is often a good idea.

Honestly not really big news. I don't see anything not above board here - Iran and Russia are committed buttbuddies, Iran gives zero fucks about Ukraine. And this is like superbowl ads for military hardware. The world is watching, real time, the performance of your hardware in the field and if you can make something that people are going to want for Christmas your domestic arms industry is going to get a huge boost. So if you are Iran and your suicide bomber drones are your flagship product, you are not going to want to trust their maintenance and operation to a bunch of STD-infected drunk Slavs.

Like I've said before, I legitimately feel bad for you guys in Eastern Europe. With the Germans on one side and the Russians on the other, you don't have any good options. Banding together with the Intermarium isn't going to work thanks to your own rivalries that either of those two potential aggressors will shamelessly incite and exploit, so all you can do is invite a third party in to protect you who has zero interests in territorial domination and is really only there because they hate those other two guys.

And don't forget the Moslem Muhammedon Turkic invaders to their south.
 
And don't forget the Moslem Muhammedon Turkic invaders to their south.
The cockroaches can't handle the Greeks these days, and would have to deal with Bulgaria as well if it came to that. They don't concern me as much.

Besides, if being in NATO hasn't stopped their shenanigans, what's the US going to do to stop them?
 
Not very fair to compare France's 1254 years of history with the 246 years of the US.
It's a long and proud history for France. A long tale, stretching from being the Byzantines' pet barbarians (Merovingian era), pointless civil wars during times of Viking invasion (Carolignian era), wiping out the Knights Templar and making the Papacy, a supposed neutral arbiter of international law and Divine interests their bitch (The Babylonian Captivity of the Church), getting their asses kicked by the English so hard that God literally sent a peasant girl to help them get back up (Hundred Years' War), allying with the Turks to undermine their fellow Catholics (Renaissance), manipulating the Protestants and stabbing Catholicism in the back just to become top dog in Europe (Thirty Years War), menacing the rest of the European continent to the point where Spain, Austria, the Dutch, the Germans, and the English had to gang up on them, leading to mountains of debt once the wars were over (the Wars of Louis XIV), bringing godless revolution that bloodied the European continent and gave the sovereigns of Europe PTSD (the French Revolution), and getting their butts kicked by the Germans three times straight to the point where if the Anglo nations and the Russians didn't step in and help in the second and third time, they'd cease to exist. (Franco-Prussian War, WW1, WW2)

It truly is a wondrous history to behold. A history of self-sabotage and pissing off your neighbors before asking "where did it all go wrong?"

I'm pretty sure the US initiated that by pushing for the EU in the first place.
Jean Monnet was a sell out and a pawn working for the US.
Are you drunk? The European Union was an attempt by Christian Europeans to create a western counter-weight to the immense power of the liberal United States. Why else would they have a blue flag (representing the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus) with twelve stars (representing the Twelve Apostles of Jesus) as their banner? That's the last thing any liberal GLOBOHOMO thing would want. The only problem is, like with most of modern Europe, they turned socialist, because they have a short memory and want free stuff. So the once conservative-counterweight to the liberal democratic US order became even more liberal than the thing it was meant to balance against, and it's mostly thanks to the European population themselves.
 
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Iran's Revolutionary Guard is having drone operators/maintainers on the ground in Crimea

Remember kids, while the extended warranty is a scam, when you are buying in bulk the full service & maintenance plan is often a good idea.

Honestly not really big news. I don't see anything not above board here - Iran and Russia are committed buttbuddies, Iran gives zero fucks about Ukraine. And this is like superbowl ads for military hardware. The world is watching, real time, the performance of your hardware in the field and if you can make something that people are going to want for Christmas your domestic arms industry is going to get a huge boost. So if you are Iran and your suicide bomber drones are your flagship product, you are not going to want to trust their maintenance and operation to a bunch of STD-infected drunk Slavs.



And don't forget the Moslem Muhammedon Turkic invaders to their south.
It's pretty surprising that the Russians can't design and produce a bargain bin suicide drone made with wish.com parts and need inbred goat fuckers to hold their hand to operate them. It really makes me wonder if the Russians just can't train people for shit on equipment.
 
It's pretty surprising that the Russians can't design and produce a bargain bin suicide drone made with wish.com parts and need inbred goat fuckers to hold their hand to operate them. It really makes me wonder if the Russians just can't train people for shit on equipment.
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But yes. We all know Private Dumbfuck is a fucking moron, but somehow Russia has to take that stupidity and jack it up to 11.
 
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But yes. We all know Private Dumbfuck is a fucking moron, but somehow Russia has to take that stupidity and jack it up to 11.
Translation in that video is quite off, but yeah... That said, it really doesn't help when you're being shouted at and demeaned at every step, which is often the only explanation you get.
Not very productive when you're trying to teach someone something. And I understand that soldier should be able to perform tasks under stress, but for that he has to at least learn basics first, and it's hard to learn under constant stress.
Assuming he didn't get a lesson in the class somewhere first and is just a dumbass, which is possible. Life of the conscript is pretty shitty, you don't choose service, it chooses you, so everything you do there would likely be against your will. It requires a certain frame of mind to get through it and come out a normal person at the other end, and you just write off a year of your life in any case.
 
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Translation in that video is quite off, but yeah... That said, it really doesn't help when you're being shouted at and demeaned at every step, which is often the only explanation you get.
Not very productive when you're trying to teach someone something. And I understand that soldier should be able to perform tasks under stress, but for that he has to at least learn basics first, and it's hard to learn under constant stress.
Assuming he didn't get a lesson in the class somewhere first and is just a dumbass, which is possible. Life of the conscript is pretty shitty, you don't choose service, it chooses you, so everything you do there would likely be against your will. It requires a certain frame of mind to get through it and come out a normal person at the other end, and you just write off a year of your life in any case.
These are valid points. It seems like he probably never even sat in a classroom to understand basic nomenclature and the manual of arms for his weapon. Everything in the US military is standardized, to include how to train someone on a task or equipment. It seems the modern Russian military just sends untained personnel to their unit and expect older concripts to teach the younger ones, with expected results. I thought the Russians were moving away from mandatory service. Did they just give up on that attempt?
 
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But yes. We all know Private Dumbfuck is a fucking moron, but somehow Russia has to take that stupidity and jack it up to 11.

Translation in that video is quite off, but yeah... That said, it really doesn't help when you're being shouted at and demeaned at every step, which is often the only explanation you get.
Not very productive when you're trying to teach someone something. And I understand that soldier should be able to perform tasks under stress, but for that he has to at least learn basics first, and it's hard to learn under constant stress.
Assuming he didn't get a lesson in the class somewhere first and is just a dumbass, which is possible. Life of the conscript is pretty shitty, you don't choose service, it chooses you, so everything you do there would likely be against your will. It requires a certain frame of mind to get through it and come out a normal person at the other end, and you just write off a year of your life in any case.
I am terrified at the idea (as someone who has never handled an AK before) that I know more about how to operate the rifle than a literal Russian. I know where the fire selector is, how to insert a magazine into a rifle, and how to use the bolt.

And yeah, yelling at people for being retard nuggets that know none of this does not efficiently achieve the goal of training the retard nugget to actually be able to use the gun on the battlefield.
 
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These are valid points. It seems like he probably never even sat in a classroom to understand basic nomenclature and the manual of arms for his weapon. Everything in the US military is standardized, to include how to train someone on a task or equipment. It seems the modern Russian military just sends untained personnel to their unit and expect older concripts to teach the younger ones, with expected results. I thought the Russians were moving away from mandatory service. Did they just give up on that attempt?
They did. They were trying to have the best of both worlds, so to speak. Mandatory service with the option of military contract, which was often forced upon people because there's incentives for recruiters. Which is of course illegal, but not everyone knows that and some people cave under the pressure.
I mean, there's no way for me to describe how successful Russia's model was better than the events of the past year.

I see a lot of news on how mobilized are treated. Some are actually being trained, others are dropped somewhere in the field in Ukraine to fend for themselves without even ammo after fucking around at some base for a couple weeks. There's cases where people who served as cooks are assigned as machine gunners and the like - it's a mess.
Seen on TV how Putin inspects one of the training polygons and it's all nice and tidy, because he's surrounded by sycophants who shows him only what he expects to see, so he remains ignorant of the real state of things. It worked well thus far... For Ukraine.
 
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But yes. We all know Private Dumbfuck is a fucking moron, but somehow Russia has to take that stupidity and jack it up to 11.
That's some bad training but how on earth did he not pick up on how an AK works from the standard Russian passtime of making CSGO lobbies miserable? Does he just quit after the pistol round?
 
That's some bad training but how on earth did he not pick up on how an AK works from the standard Russian passtime of making CSGO lobbies miserable? Does he just quit after the pistol round?
It's pretty clear that he's not functional. Either he's rotted his brain with drugs, he's black-out drunk, or his IQ is so low that he has difficulty buttoning up his shirt. I wouldn't expect a literal moron or a detoxing junkie to understand simple things like breathing, let alone how to operate a gun. In the US army he'd not make it past his first day of training. In the British army, he'd be promoted to the general staff. Either way, he wouldn't be anywhere near a military base, let alone the weapons locker.
 
I don't have any skin in this game, I don't care what happens to Russia or Ukraine.
Then shut the fuck up and get the hell out of here. This is a forum for people who care about Ukraine and Russia, and what's going on there.

You guys are taking this topic as if you were on the ground, aware of everything that goes on there.
Maybe because we read the sources from those on the ground, who are aware of what's going on down there?

You are fucking ignorant and it shows because you trivialize war as if it was just a game of CoD.
"Gotta beat dem dang Russkies!"
Because Putin pretty much proved all those CoD and Red Alert games right about Russia. They were snakes in the grass, waiting to pounce.

What the fuck do you know about Eastern Europe? About Ukraine? About Russia?
More than you, apparently.......

Stop acting like fucking twitter influencer and settle down.
You're the one bitching and moaning. Projecting much?

I don't have any pretense to know what the fuck is going on there, and as Happy Fish said a few posts before, I give all my respects to the people suffering from this conflict. A conflict that could have been avoided if it was not so convenient to stir up post-covid.
No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't be simping for an aggressor that's so appallingly bad, they're sending meat to the grinder to accomplish a political win that no one but those at the top benefit from. At least the Nazis sought to benefit the average German by giving them Lebensraum, and Israel sought to benefit Israelis by knocking out countries that were actively attacking them.

I'll just end this message with a request. Please, don't satirize this conflict like people treated the covid crisis.
Reality isn't binary, with an antivax camp and a provax camp.
Sometimes it is binary. Sometimes there is just a right side and a wrong side. Like when Julius Caesar fought alongside the Roman people to weaken the Senate which represented rich folks with large slave plantations who drove hard-working Roman farmers out of work. Or when the Crusaders were fighting against Islamic invaders to protect pilgrims going to and from the Holy Land. Or when the Spanish and their native allies eradicated the barbaric Aztec Empire which ran on human sacrifices. Or when the West, especially America, fought against the evils of Communism and Nazism.

Are there wars where both sides can be seen as good? Sure. Are there wars that are more nuanced than what we see at first? Of course. But there are also wars where there's clearly one side that's just fighting to preserve itself, and the other side fights for nothing but their own self-gain. There is no equality between the Russian and Ukrainian side here. If Ukraine wins, the people of Ukraine live to fight another day, and they get to keep their culture, their lands, and their freedom. If Russia wins, no one in Russia will benefit outside of the top guys who have raped and plundered the Russian economy for decades, and maybe their top lapdogs in Ukraine.

I know irl hinders people's ability to do research, but if you're on KF, you shouldn't be stupid fucks vomiting CNN talking points.
By that, I don't mean you should vomit what RT says. Just be independent and make up your own mind.
Says the guy vomiting up RT talking points........
 

Ukraine war: Zelensky accuses Russia of plot to blow up dam​

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has accused Russia of preparing to blow up a dam at a hydroelectric plant in southern Ukraine, which would lead to a "large-scale disaster".

In his overnight address he said the Kakhovka dam on the Dnieper river had been mined by Russian forces, according to Ukrainian information.

The dam is under Russian occupation, but Ukrainian forces are closing in.

Russia has already accused Ukraine of firing missiles at the Kakhovka dam.

The dam also provides Russia with one of the few remaining routes across the Dnieper river in the partially occupied Kherson region.

Russian-installed authorities in Kherson have rejected Ukraine's allegations of a plot to destroy the structure. They blamed Ukrainian forces for an attack on another key crossing, the Antonivskiy Bridge. Four people were killed, including the head of a TV channel, officials said.

Russia began evacuating its proxy authorities in Kherson this week but also said 50-60,000 civilians would leave too, a measure condemned as forced deportations by Kyiv authorities.

Russia's new military commander in Ukraine, Gen Sergei Surovikin, alleged that Ukrainian forces could be planning "banned methods of warfare" in Kherson city and the hydroelectric dam and argued that justified the "evacuation" of the civilian population.

The Institute for the Study of War, an independent US-based think tank, has suggested Russia is "likely continuing to prepare for a false flag attack" on the Kakhovka hydroelectric plant, by creating "information conditions" for Russian forces to blow up the dam after they pull out of western Kherson and then accuse Ukraine of flooding the river and surrounding settlements.

President Zelensky told EU leaders by video on Thursday that Russia had already destroyed more than a third of Ukraine's energy infrastructure, with the aim of creating as many problems with electricity and heating as possible over the winter months. For the first time since the start of the Russian invasion, Ukrainians have been asked to use less electricity, with nationwide limits on usage between 07:00 and 23:00.

If the Kakhovka dam were destroyed, Mr Zelensky warned it could devastate the water supply to much of the south and leave Europe's biggest nuclear plant at Zaporizhzhia without cooling water.

"The dam of this hydroelectric power plant holds a volume of about 18m cubic meters of water," he said. "If Russian terrorists blow up this dam, more than 80 settlements, including Kherson, will be in the zone of rapid flooding. Hundreds of thousands of people could be affected."

The Ukrainian leader also said if the dam were destroyed then the North Crimean Canal would "simply disappear".

The canal, built in 1975, provides Russian-annexed Crimea with a reported 85% of its water supply. An early act in Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February was blowing up a dam that Ukraine had built in the canal after the peninsula was seized in 2014, accusing Russia of not paying for the water.

Several Russian commentators have pointed out that areas under occupation would be worst hit if the Kakhovka dam were destroyed, although dozens of communities under Ukrainian control would be badly affected too.

Pro-Kremlin newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda said a dam explosion would prompt a 5m-high wave that would wash away all villages beside the Dnieper river at a rate of 25km/h. Within two hours it said the water would hit Kherson city and flood vast areas over three days.

However, presidential office adviser Mykhaylo Podolyak said that mining the dam was all part of a "Surovikin plan" that involved flooding territory to stop Ukraine's counter-offensive.

President Zelensky said that if the Russians were seriously considering blowing up the Kakhovka dam, it meant they realised they would not merely lose control of Kherson but the entire south including Crimea.
 
Most of the time when people blow up dams in times of war it is done by the defending party to deter invading forces, like in Holland's wars with Spain, or the Japanese invasion of China.

Oh wait, the russians recently declared that this area is True and Honest Russian Clay, didn't they? Are they next going to reclassify the special military operation as an invasion by Ukraine? I wouldn't doubt it at this point.
 
I am terrified at the idea (as someone who has never handled an AK before) that I know more about how to operate the rifle than a literal Russian. I know where the fire selector is, how to insert a magazine into a rifle, and how to use the bolt.

And yeah, yelling at people for being retard nuggets that know none of this does not efficiently achieve the goal of training the retard nugget to actually be able to use the gun on the battlefield.
It's really funny how the constant media cycle involving "gun culture" in the US never brings this up. Military leadership should especially understand this asset when the Western ethos has been that systems don't win wars, people do. I hazard a guess that an 18 year old male who understands the general concepts behind their weapon and shooting is a godsend.

But LOL. We live in current year, so no.
 
It's really funny how the constant media cycle involving "gun culture" in the US never brings this up. Military leadership should especially understand this asset when the Western ethos has been that systems don't win wars, people do. I hazard a guess that an 18 year old male who understands the general concepts behind their weapon and shooting is a godsend.

But LOL. We live in current year, so no.
I would assume they're smart enough to know, but are willing to make that sacrifice to disarm people and make them easier to control.
 
Oh wait, the russians recently declared that this area is True and Honest Russian Clay, didn't they? Are they next going to reclassify the special military operation as an invasion by Ukraine? I wouldn't doubt it at this point.
Hasn't that been the presumption for how Putin is going to sell a general mobilization and war declaration to the Russian populace?
 
It's really funny how the constant media cycle involving "gun culture" in the US never brings this up. Military leadership should especially understand this asset when the Western ethos has been that systems don't win wars, people do. I hazard a guess that an 18 year old male who understands the general concepts behind their weapon and shooting is a godsend.

But LOL. We live in current year, so no.
To an extent I'd agree with you, but in cases like Israel and South Korea, I'd expect good training to more than make up for a lack of gun culture
 
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