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I'll begrudgingly give PF2 some praise and say that part of the PHB Core Rules they nailed - when describing the races they say what the average Elf is like, and when people notice you are an Elf they will expect you behave in a certain way. Your Elf doesn't HAVE to behave that way, and not every elf needs to or will behave that way, but they are acknowledged as outliers.
Whoa, re-read what you just wrote and consider how to do better. "Expecting" someone to "behave in a certain way" based solely on racial intrinsics? That's a big yikesaroo. Deeply problematic, y'all. In my games all my PCs have to evaluate each and every encounter in order to determine if the creatures they're meeting are positively aligned with them or not. Maybe YOU think zombies and ghouls are mindless killing machines but over at my table I don't make any assumptions and enjoy challenging my players' expectations.
 
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I've been attempting to implement that in my recent game. There's a diabolist guild and they're very friendly to just about everyone. The party is pretty high level and has done some very notable things so they've gotten invitations to their country club and a free associate membership. They even do nice things for people sometimes. Those awful bigoted party of elves just don't trust them though.

I mean they're absolutely correct not to trust them and the devils are all horribly evil without exception, but that's besides the point.
 
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Already done examples of opposite alignment outsiders in 3.5. There is actually a paladin who was an evil outsider of some sort if I recall, and she had to deal with getting douched by Smite Good and Smite Evil, since her very being was made of evil, even if her mind and soul were not.

God these retards are desperate to year zero and memoryhole their own products. All they can do so they don't get shat on for their toxic work environment and poor treatment of employees, particularly the brown ones they hire to avoid criticism.
 
It goes back to what I was saying before when the last hubbub about WotC fucking around with alignment and playing moral relativist. They think they're being cute and subversive by trying to shrug and say 'who knows?' when it comes to demons and devils and orcs etc. but at the end of the day it makes creating engaging stories involving these creatures less interesting if you try and keep up with the progressive treadmill because we end up with everything grey, neutral, and boring.

When you've got races and creatures that you know most of the time are evil motherfuckers and come across one that instead maybe isn't that's when it's intriguing and you've actually got something that player's will pick up on. Case in point, in Curse of Strahd there's a friendly Lich in the Amber Temple that should have PCs shitting themselves until they realise he's A-OK actually and wants to help them (assuming they don't act like assholes and pick a pointless fight that can TPK them easily). You've also got the opposite situation with the fallen angel Abbot to a lesser extent.
 
It goes back to what I was saying before when the last hubbub about WotC fucking around with alignment and playing moral relativist. They think they're being cute and subversive by trying to shrug and say 'who knows?' when it comes to demons and devils and orcs etc. but at the end of the day it makes creating engaging stories involving these creatures less interesting if you try and keep up with the progressive treadmill because we end up with everything grey, neutral, and boring.

When you've got races and creatures that you know most of the time are evil motherfuckers and come across one that instead maybe isn't that's when it's intriguing and you've actually got something that player's will pick up on. Case in point, in Curse of Strahd there's a friendly Lich in the Amber Temple that should have PCs shitting themselves until they realise he's A-OK actually and wants to help them (assuming they don't act like assholes and pick a pointless fight that can TPK them easily). You've also got the opposite situation with the fallen angel Abbot to a lesser extent.
That is the greatest sin in this whole "oooh, we cannot stereotype anything" push they're making. First, we don't get to say memorable lines like "only Stormtroopers Razorleaf Elves are so accurate" or "the orcs are nearby, I can still feel their stench burning my nostrils". If no one has any sharply defining characteristics, it becomes impossible to be memorable. Second, if every goblin has the same potential to become a paladin as a dwarf, a human, or even a goddamn demon, meeting a goblin paladin stops being special. This should be obvious. But these idiots keep pushing out "unique" characters that just... aren't unique by their own rules.

Drizzt Do'Urden only became the template for a billion cheap knockoffs because he was unique. And he was only unique because he was different from the rest of his species. Fuck, even Legolas, as basic bitch elf as he was stated to be, was different because he was young and willing to give a dwarf the time of day. Expectations were rightly subverted. But when every elf gets along with dwarves just fine because they're clearly not bigots, and when every drow is a tolerant member of a democratic community where nobody ever does anything wrong, there are no expectations to subvert. Oh, this drow is walking in daylight and fighting for good? Well, good on him. This goblin is the fair and popular mayor of a human town? Neat, I hope he gets re-elected.

For all their posturing about wanting their fictional worlds to "wow!" their players, all they do is make everything boring and predictable.
 
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So ive finally been able to take a look at cyberpunk 2020 rules and damn they look good, running a combat sim this weekend with my group.
 
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That is the greatest sin in this whole "oooh, we cannot stereotype anything" push they're making. First, we don't get to say memorable lines like "only Stormtroopers Razorleaf Elves are so accurate" or "the orcs are nearby, I can still feel their stench burning my nostrils". If no one has any sharply defining characteristics, it becomes impossible to be memorable. Second, if every goblin has the same potential to become a paladin as a dwarf, a human, or even a goddamn demon, meeting a goblin paladin stops being special. This should be obvious. But these idiots keep pushing out "unique" characters that just... aren't unique by their own rules.

Drizzt Do'Urden only became the template for a billion cheap knockoffs because he was unique. And he was only unique because he was different from the rest of his species. Fuck, even Legolas, as basic bitch elf as he was stated to be, was different because he was young and willing to give a dwarf the time of day. Expectations were rightly subverted. But when every elf gets along with dwarves just fine because they're clearly not bigots, and when every drow is a tolerant member of a democratic community where nobody ever does anything wrong, there are no expectations to subvert. Oh, this drow is walking in daylight and fighting for good? Well, good on him. This goblin is the fair and popular mayor of a human town? Neat, I hope he gets re-elected.

For all their posturing about wanting their fictional worlds to "wow!" their players, all they do is make everything boring and predictable.
You have to understand where these people from WotC come from. They are all from Seattle or somewhere else in King County which not only is it the most crime ridden shithole in Washington state but also the most diverse. You have these idiots who have never ventured outside of Seattle or Bellevue. They believe that the whole world is just as diverse and tolerate as Seattle is. If they were to venture a hour or two out of Seattle and go to, lets say, the Olympic Mountain region or east of the Cascades here in Washington they will be triggered into a heart attack. The Olympic Mountain region is filled with mostly Indians while places like Yakima is mostly made of Latinos. Whenever a outsider goes through those places they are treated with suspicion. The cops, especially the tribal police, will tell you outright that you are not welcomed and, unless you are looking to spend money at the gas stations or casinos, to just keep driving.

The people of WotC however believe that the world is just like a episode of Steven Universe where everyone overcomes their differences and hugs it out. Its not. At best people will treat each other with suspicion and make them feel unwelcomed. Which is funny as that was the one of the points of D&D. If you played a race that was say a orc or a tiefling than people will treat you with suspicion at best and treat you with bigotry at worst. It was how your character reacted to such treatment that mattered. Either they could give into the stereotype that people have about them or prove them wrong. That was the fun of it. However, we can't have that anymore as how dare some barkeep NPC treat the super special gender queer Mary Sue OC with distain instead of flattering them and affirming their gender identity.
 
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The people of WotC however believe that the world is just like a episode of Steven Universe where everyone overcomes their differences and hugs it out. Its not.
it's even worse than that, cba to dig through my folders, but there have been plenty of cases of retarded libshits going kumbaya in africa or the middle east and promptly get raped, tortured and killed (not necessary in that order). and now I just remembered some super embarrassing case of some college chick getting gangraped in south africa and the parents simply forgave the perps - because that's what parents do.

some people really need a reality check.
 
some college chick getting gangraped in south africa and the parents simply forgave the perps - because that's what parents do.
You're probably thinking of the Biehl case. All of those involved in the murder were given full pardons by the Truth and Reconcilliation Commision, because it was a "politically motivated" attack on the white devil. She was an anti-apartheid activist that was, funny enough, killed to advance the cause of the anti-apartheid movement according to official record.
Not only did her parents forgive the murdering rapists, two of them are now working for the Amy Biehl Foundation.
These two groids now spend their days teaching their fellows that raping virgins doesn't cure AIDS.
 
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Holy fuck, it’s good to be back. This thread is somehow the best place to talk about tabletop games online for anyone under the age of 50.

So I’m gonna be running a game- and this time it’s gonna work. I figured out my problem- my friends who’d be interested in a game are either out of state for an extended period of time, flaky, working jobs with unpredictable hours (plumbing), or trooning out. And since online games are a recipe for disaster, I need to find and meet people in the area looking to play a game. I even found a decent looking store in the area with a backroom. I’m even running Savage Worlds instead of 5e, just to make sure my game is anathema to most troons and Critical Role fans.

My question is this: where do you guys advertise that you’re running a game? I was looking to avoid reddit at first, because >reddit. Then I realized that it’s the best possible option. Since troons don’t shut up about being troons, critical role fans post on critical role subreddits, and coomers that are too far gone won’t even bother to make an alternate account to hornypost on, simply looking at their post history should filter most of them. Making, “Please leave your baggage at the door” a rule should filter the rest. Still, I like to keep my options open, and I want to see if there are better sites to post on before I take the plunge.
 
Holy fuck, it’s good to be back. This thread is somehow the best place to talk about tabletop games online for anyone under the age of 50.

So I’m gonna be running a game- and this time it’s gonna work. I figured out my problem- my friends who’d be interested in a game are either out of state for an extended period of time, flaky, working jobs with unpredictable hours (plumbing), or trooning out. And since online games are a recipe for disaster, I need to find and meet people in the area looking to play a game. I even found a decent looking store in the area with a backroom. I’m even running Savage Worlds instead of 5e, just to make sure my game is anathema to most troons and Critical Role fans.

My question is this: where do you guys advertise that you’re running a game? I was looking to avoid reddit at first, because >reddit. Then I realized that it’s the best possible option. Since troons don’t shut up about being troons, critical role fans post on critical role subreddits, and coomers that are too far gone won’t even bother to make an alternate account to hornypost on, simply looking at their post history should filter most of them. Making, “Please leave your baggage at the door” a rule should filter the rest. Still, I like to keep my options open, and I want to see if there are better sites to post on before I take the plunge.
Facebook is pretty good, strangely enough. There's a couple of looking for group pages on there and people use their real names so you know if they're a mutant or not. That being said a friend of mine found someone we game with over reddit years ago and we're friends with the guy to this day, normal people use that shithole sometimes too. Could always ask the store owner too, if you're running you shouldn't have too much trouble finding people to join.
 
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In the end it's just the usual "fuck you mom and dad" by 40 year hipsters still seething over being taken to Sunday school. The end goal isn't any deep morality system, but inverting the existing one so every devil is a noble social justice dindu and every angel is A lawful stupid entity that is probably anti abortion, because that's totally an esgy new outlook and not something that was already old and gay 2 decades ago.
If you want to have no good and evil then at least abolish the entire heaven and hell lore and just have a single outwardly faction.
 
Holy fuck, it’s good to be back. This thread is somehow the best place to talk about tabletop games online for anyone under the age of 50.

So I’m gonna be running a game- and this time it’s gonna work. I figured out my problem- my friends who’d be interested in a game are either out of state for an extended period of time, flaky, working jobs with unpredictable hours (plumbing), or trooning out. And since online games are a recipe for disaster, I need to find and meet people in the area looking to play a game. I even found a decent looking store in the area with a backroom. I’m even running Savage Worlds instead of 5e, just to make sure my game is anathema to most troons and Critical Role fans.

My question is this: where do you guys advertise that you’re running a game? I was looking to avoid reddit at first, because >reddit. Then I realized that it’s the best possible option. Since troons don’t shut up about being troons, critical role fans post on critical role subreddits, and coomers that are too far gone won’t even bother to make an alternate account to hornypost on, simply looking at their post history should filter most of them. Making, “Please leave your baggage at the door” a rule should filter the rest. Still, I like to keep my options open, and I want to see if there are better sites to post on before I take the plunge.
Meetup is pretty good.
 
I HATE WOTC
I HATE WOTC
I HATE WOTC

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Anyway: That art for Krynn is fucking atrocious. I hate everyone on the cover. From the grouchy looking headband wearing Mexican bitch on the cover, to the fucked up looking stretched out kender motherfucker on the right, to the douche on the left who would benefit from being stabbed in the neck.

I hate the turn away from alignment because I've always found the people who gripe about alignment being terrible to be nothing more than useless faggots.

I'm glad I saved all my old books.

I'm glad my Rifts group prefers to shoot at Splugorth slave barges with guns rather than try to reason with them. I'm glad my Rifts group shoots DBs in the face rather than asks them their pronouns, and I'm glad my Pathfinder players believe in good and evil.
 
I HATE WOTC
I HATE WOTC
I HATE WOTC

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Anyway: That art for Krynn is fucking atrocious. I hate everyone on the cover. From the grouchy looking headband wearing Mexican bitch on the cover, to the fucked up looking stretched out kender motherfucker on the right, to the douche on the left who would benefit from being stabbed in the neck.

I hate the turn away from alignment because I've always found the people who gripe about alignment being terrible to be nothing more than useless faggots.

I'm glad I saved all my old books.

I'm glad my Rifts group prefers to shoot at Splugorth slave barges with guns rather than try to reason with them. I'm glad my Rifts group shoots DBs in the face rather than asks them their pronouns, and I'm glad my Pathfinder players believe in good and evil.
Im glad my group might migrate to cyberpunk 2020 which while it certainly has its flaws isnt gay bullshit
 
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Again, there was no need for this. In the AD&D supplement, Fiend Folio, made it clear that there were a few fiends that were able to raise above their evil nature and become agents of good. However, the supplement also made it clear that such fiends were very rare and most of the risen fiends were ruthlessly hunted down by their superiors over shame and fears that they will disrupt the status quo by helping the celestials. Problem now is that WotC is trying to make fiends be like humans. The thing that people loved about D&D was how alien and different the other races were to humans. That was what made them interesting. This is what happens when you let in a bunch of freaks into a hobby who just want to make their cringe Mary-Sue OC's. The D&D fandom is becoming like the Sonic fandom on DeviantArt. I take solace in knowing that WotC is now facing some financial troubles as, because of this economy, people aren't spending a lot of money on D&D products anymore. Plus, people have had it with the woke shit and are spending it on indie and OSR.
 
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