F.A.Qs about Jail, State Hospital, and Court

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Our long lost anchuent crying Cherokee* told us the text of that charge was part of a drop-down menu, so we couldn’t see the whole thing. He assured us that a more accurate charge would be included if we could read the entirety.

*(I’m pretty sure it was him and not another of the lawyer kiwis)

There is also a limit in the system, like most legal software it's incredibly old and has limmits so the less common crimes are not included to save space but can be marked down under the next closest bracket but the charge sheet that's filled in manually is what matters. I think someone said that the system they are using in Virginia is really old legacy software dating back to the late 90's or very early 00's so that's a real possibility.

 

[Kyuss]

I honestly think that they know it was non consensual, but they either don't want to cause Barb any more hurt than she already has (small town old lady who's local oaf son diddled her and want to save her the embarrassment) and they also seem to be treating Chris with kid gloves yet again because he's viewed as "Special" be it needs or because of the nature of the case they don't want any more attention being drawn on them than they already have.

I am leaning towards this more than anything. Court isn't going to pull an old lady through the ringers for a fish as small as Chris.

 

[Kyuss]

I think someone said that the system they are using in Virginia is really old legacy software dating back to the late 90's or very early 00's so that's a real possibility.

Lowest bidder development.
Autozone used a pull database from late 80s/early90s until like 2015 because it worked until it didn't (think it was server incompatibility that finally killed them after windows xp/windows server 2003 end of life came up).
No telling how what unsupported system they are using and how long it will last.

 

[Jon Osterman]

If Chris was slightly more functional as a person they wouldn't be treating him so nice, and he's been infront of the court a few times now and each and every time it's been a escalation of criminal activity, the local Police are well aware of who Chris is and his notoriety online and have quietly filled in the prosecution on the lay of the land and they are thinking OK we have to deal with this now in a more permanent way.

If Chris was a functional human he'd probably he held in contempt, so they're definitely going easy on him. The issue is that Chris is an idiot and lost the chance to plea down to misdemeanor incest and be out already with no stay in a facility. The prosecution almost certainly wanted him to take the plea, but now that he's proven how incompetent he is they upgraded to felony to get Heilberg to send him to a tard home.

 

[themarchivist2]

I honestly think that they know it was non consensual, but they either don't want to cause Barb any more hurt than she already has (small town old lady who's local oaf son diddled her and want to save her the embarrassment) and they also seem to be treating Chris with kid gloves yet again because he's viewed as "Special" be it needs or because of the nature of the case they don't want any more attention being drawn on them than they already have.

There was a report from a Reddit ween a few weeks ago that gives us a lot of information about Barb's status. I don't think it's been posted here, at least not in a while.

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If this isn't completely fabricated, that means that as of this July, Barb was still ambulatory, well-groomed, able to be left alone, and was able to give somewhat complicated directions on-the-fly. I think this puts a lot of eggs in the "Barb wasn't incapable of consent" and "Barb was capable of testifying but refused to" baskets.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Lowest bidder development.
Autozone used a pull database from late 80s/early90s until like 2015 because it worked until it didn't (think it was server incompatibility that finally killed them after windows xp/windows server 2003 end of life came up).
No telling how what unsupported system they are using and how long it will last.

There are massive multi national banks that rely on DEC software for transaction processing that are maintained by dev's who are off shored and barely know MSSQL let alone a system wrote in Fortran back in 1975 with a database structure that's nearly impossible to understand due to it's complexity, the same goes for a lot of heavy industrial manufacturing when those systems go down they cost money serious money.

The problem is with this kind of legacy software it's really so highly developed it would take a herculean effort to replace, hell it takes on to keep it maintained and they often have to call in specialist consultants who are often the guys who developed the software to begin with who are now retired if it's anything more complex than starting and stopping a function and queuing up a new job etc - this would be the same sort of deal most likely.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

There was a report from a Reddit ween a few weeks ago that gives us a lot of information about Barb's status. I don't think it's been posted here, at least not in a while.

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If this isn't completely fabricated, that means that as of this July, Barb was still ambulatory, well-groomed, able to be left alone, and was able to give somewhat complicated directions on-the-fly. I think this puts a lot of eggs in the "Barb wasn't incapable of consent" and "Barb was capable of testifying but refused to" baskets.

I've not seen that one before thank you - I know there was some photos taken an posted on Reddit about that time of someone who looked like Barb walking on foot and she seemed old and a bit hangdogish but nothing too absurd - If anything I am if that is true to be more inclined to her feeling shame over what happened that's common in a lot of for lack of a better term "Normal" cases of rape where it's not a son sexually abusing his mother and she just wants it to go away (along with Chris at this point, but that's understandable) and she's said her piece to the Police and wants to draw a line under it for the sake of her own dignity.

Having said that I am of the opinion she's a Sun Downer where earlier in the day she's better cognitively early in the day and as the day progresses she get's steadily worse off - from what we know of Chris and Barbs life he was hardly ever up before noon, and she was a early riser out of a life times habit and Chris molested her later in the day when she was less able to fight back even just giving him a stern NO would have been enough to dissuade him as he was genuinely fearful of her until he's been seperated from her for a few months. I'm not saying Barbs a angel far from it and she did some odd things with him but even by her lax standards letting Chris have sex with her is a line I don't see her crossing even if she had a modicum of control over the situation.

 

[Kyuss]

Heilberg to send him to a tard home.

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If this isn't completely fabricated

From the pictures posted (last month) the yard is in good shape, but no one has actually seen her vehicle there or any vehicle there with citation.
Same with no one seeing anyone actually do anything at all around the house. I was really hoping one of the locals would be a bit more proactive, but I do feel somewhat that certain social movements have scared off people from being a bit too aggressive. It's just a different world than it was ten years ago.
I think this is fabricated though and my only reason for leaning towards that is it would of been incredibly simple to have your phone in your hand casually, but have the video rolling. Providing some actual form of citation either audio or visually that the encounter took place.

The problem is with this kind of legacy software it's really so highly developed it would take a herculean effort to replace,

Bridgestone/Firestone uses a system back from the 80s that no one really knows how to replace without costing the company billions of dollars. The system works, but is so outdated that it's hindering production efficiency.
Their work around is to add new systems that work in synergy, but eh you can only do so much.
About 12 years ago they started adding the drones that automatically run the tires to individual molding presses, it might as well be the difference between analog and digital and it's not sustainable. At some point the digital medium rejects the older technology. It just can't recognize it. The audio/visual production lines (I did some tv production work a few years back) had to completely replace everything. Literally everything because of the incompatibility between analog and the modern computers/tvs/etc. It was simpler to just start over new than to use bridge technology to convert it in the middle taking up precious space on a production floor. Wonder how long that is sustainable for these other systems.

Having said that I am of the opinion she's a Sun Downer where earlier in the day she's better cognitively early in the day and as the day progresses she get's steadily worse off

Once the sun starts going down it might as well be zombie mode, the cold starts to hurt their bodies. Pressure/humidity changes are unbearable in comparison to annoyances for us. I don't feel a lot for humanity, but damn if I don't have empathy for our elders. Birth/death/aging are the only things universally shared by all humans.
I vaguely remember Barb would actually go out and get some sun in the early morning about 5-6 years back and there are photos proving it.
I think she is gone though, whatever hellscape she thinks in is her reality now. Storming along that house alone with those dogs and cats.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Bridgestone/Firestone uses a system back from the 80s that no one really knows how to replace without costing the company billions of dollars. The system works, but is so outdated that it's hindering production efficiency.
Their work around is to add new systems that work in synergy, but eh you can only do so much.
About 12 years ago they started adding the drones that automatically run the tires to individual molding presses, it might as well be the difference between analog and digital and it's not sustainable. At some point the digital medium rejects the older technology. It just can't recognize it. The audio/visual production lines (I did some tv production work a few years back) had to completely replace everything. Literally everything because of the incompatibility between analog and the modern computers/tvs/etc. It was simpler to just start over new than to use bridge technology to convert it in the middle taking up precious space on a production floor. Wonder how long that is sustainable for these other systems.

Yea I saw a review on there production stuff a while ago and it was interesting to see what kit they had in common with the places I know that still use it - those dumb terminals (thin clients for you younguns but even dumber than you expect) are built like tanks and just keep going and are incredibly easy to fix if something does go wrong on them (I know someone who rebuilds them because I fix his tools)

As for the old tech not talking to the new tech you are fully correct that it just get's to a point where you have to replace it but a lot of big places have ways around that even if it means a really custom solution - my friend who rebuilds the Dumb Terminals builds intermediary controllers custom for old CnC machines and I help him work out what else it wrong with the machines or track down spec sheets for him and there are a lot of places running Mill's and Machining centres from the early 80's in big production environments because it's cheaper for them to get the old machines to carry on working than replace them with all new units (the machine side of things is normally good it's just the Computer and Electrical side of things that old and needs work.

Once the sun starts going down it might as well be zombie mode, the cold starts to hurt their bodies. Pressure/humidity changes are unbearable in comparison to annoyances for us. I don't feel a lot for humanity, but damn if I don't have empathy for our elders. Birth/death/aging are the only things universally shared by all humans.
I vaguely remember Barb would actually go out and get some sun in the early morning about 5-6 years back and there are photos proving it.
I think she is gone though, whatever hellscape she thinks in is her reality now. Storming along that house alone with those dogs and cats.

Yea sadly I've seen it a few times with older neighbours and family friends, It's hard seeing the old bloke you've known since you where 3 start the morning off his old self and by late evening he's totally lost and you have to pretend your his old mate Bob who died 30 years ago while calling his kids and grand kids to let them know he's having a issue again and they need to come around (even worse when they don't care) when you've found him trying to cross the road in his slippers to go out to a chip shop that closed years ago.

It's a hell I wouldnt wish on anyone, because when it starts happening they get really embarrassed being "Such a silly old sod" and forgetting things but it gets worse and worse - it's as bad as full blown dementia where you just don't know what's going on at any time and I've sadly seen that happen to someone I care about and the rapid cognitive, personality and behaviour decline is hard to see because there is nothing you can do and after a time the persons body is there but the person isn't apart from the odd fleeting moment that happens.

 

[Jon Osterman]

From the pictures posted (last month) the yard is in good shape, but no one has actually seen her vehicle there or any vehicle there with citation.
Same with no one seeing anyone actually do anything at all around the house. I was really hoping one of the locals would be a bit more proactive, but I do feel somewhat that certain social movements have scared off people from being a bit too aggressive. It's just a different world than it was ten years ago.

The Future of the House Thread has discussed the state of Barb by proxy of observing the house. There's a video and pictures from this month posted with the lawn taken care of and the trash cans being moved to the curb for pickup. There is still someone living in that house (Barb), and someone taking care of it by taking out the trash.

I think this is fabricated though and my only reason for leaning towards that is it would of been incredibly simple to have your phone in your hand casually, but have the video rolling. Providing some actual form of citation either audio or visually that the encounter took place.

It's not unreasonable that whoever posted forgot to record evidence. I think that because it doesn't conflict with anything that there's a decent chance it's real. It is Reddit though so who knows.

I'm not saying Barbs a angel far from it and she did some odd things with him but even by her lax standards letting Chris have sex with her is a line I don't see her crossing even if she had a modicum of control over the situation.

I think the issue is we've never gotten a good understanding of Barb's mental state, but I have a theory that's a bit of a stretch. One of the main things we know about Barb is that she's very manipulative, especially with Chris. She threatened to kill herself if Chris went to Magfest, married Bob and had a kid to secure a house, threatened to kick Chris out, and the begging videos starring her where she played up senility were her idea. Putting this all together, it could be that Barb thought that letting Chris get some was an easy way to keep happy, and just decided to roll with it. Chris did say that she was at first confused, implying she warmed up to the idea for whatever reason. Again this is a pretty farfetched idea, but it could have some merit.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I think the issue is we've never gotten a good understanding of Barb's mental state, but I have a theory that's a bit of a stretch. One of the main things we know about Barb is that she's very manipulative, especially with Chris. She threatened to kill herself if Chris went to Magfest, married Bob and had a kid to secure a house, threatened to kick Chris out, and the begging videos starring her where she played up senility were her idea. Putting this all together, it could be that Barb thought that letting Chris get some was an easy way to keep happy, and just decided to roll with it. Chris did say that she was at first confused, implying she warmed up to the idea for whatever reason. Again this is a pretty farfetched idea, but it could have some merit.

I don't buy it - Barb will let Chris do stuff that doesnt annoy her and after 40 years she's got a highly trained ear so can ignore him till it has a impact on her, she will happily manipulate Chris and anyone else she thinks she can sucker into getting a deal from but she had a line that she wouldn't cross and her willingly having sex with Chris is way beyond that line.

What by Chris called "She warmed upto it" wasn't he becoming a willing participant but her becoming resigned to the fact that every other day her freak tard of a child will be comming into her room and doing sexual acts to her that she hasn't got the ability to stop him from doing any more - combine that with it being stressful for her to contemplate and Chris having a schedule (the only schedule he's ever stuck too) her getting less able and less willing to fight back in any way shape or form is a distinct possibility.

Barb might not have understood or recalled the fine details of what happened to her but she knew Chris had done something to her she didn't like and stressed out over it and each time it happened (and once would be bad enough) but we know it happened more than that so got less and less able to resist each time he did it.

The last picture I saw of Chris before the news broke was on Reddit - taken of Chris outside his house he was dressed in this cheap "sexy" floaty negligee and given the date the picture was taken and his 3 day schedule it was likely he was getting ready for the nights horror show, I think the details given where it was late afternoon they knocked an Chris answered the door the next day the news broke and well here we are now discussing the details of what happened.

 

[Jon Osterman]

I don't buy it

I'm not 100% sold on it myself, but if Barb had complete control of Chris and didn't want it, she'd be able to get him to stop, say with another suicide threat. Her grasp on Chris started slipping around 2018, when he complained about Barb and would boss her around to a degree. She probably understood it was a matter of time before Chris replaced her with more toys, and so didn't complain or do anything when he started the soul bonding because it was either that or the streets.
It's not exactly manipulation, but it is keeping the tard happy by giving him what he wants, something she's always done.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I'm not 100% sold on it myself, but if Barb had complete control of Chris and didn't want it, she'd be able to get him to stop, say with another suicide threat. Her grasp on Chris started slipping around 2018, when he complained about Barb and would boss her around to a degree. She probably understood it was a matter of time before Chris replaced her with more toys, and so didn't complain or do anything when he started the soul bonding because it was either that or the streets.
It's not exactly manipulation, but it is keeping the tard happy by giving him what he wants, something she's always done.

Barb will pacify him if it doesn't inconvenience her OR have a impact on her she cant deal with.

Barb has a level of comfort she wont break and part of that is her own comfort and her low level of self respect, just flat backing herself for her retarded son well past the age Sex is a thing isn't something she'd do willingly.

I do agree that she was realising she was losing control of her helper monkey but she wouldnt stoop so low as to willingly have sex with him she'd try and exercise her lessening control over him but she'd realise that she has no control over him and deal with that with manipulation as best she could.

 

[Kyuss]

It's not exactly manipulation, but it is keeping the tard happy by giving him what he wants, something she's always done.

Oh yeah that shit started popping up in what 2017 or so?
"would you get out of here."
"there is my mom popping in during a life stream."
You guys are right of course, knowing her history of mental abuse I would not put it aside that it's entirely plausible that she is hamming up the situation a bit. Trying to make it desperately so for sympathy donations and what not.
What are the odds that Barb was seeking some kind of familiar intimacy and Chris mis-read the situation entirely and took advantage of her? Like you said "just give the retard what he wants."
While the line to inappropriate is small. it's not unethical or immoral to comfort a parent by holding them or if they are bed ridden laying beside them. That line is incredibly small before it crosses to inappropriate though. Someone like Chris who can't read people at all could easily misread anything about that situation.
Something all fathers, uncles, and brothers have to learn. What was once your little (insert princess stereotype) is now a young woman and the rules have to change. Ironic that it's the reverse age group, that's something you don't see too often.
Or maybe I'm downplaying just how utterly psychotic and narcissistic Chris actually is.
His ability to fathom specific details at times and ignore others baffles me to no end. This could be learned behavior from his mother's manipulation and his fathers refusal to see.
God damn I hate that mental health has little to no base line and it's all circumstantial.

 

[AnOminous]

I think someone said that the system they are using in Virginia is really old legacy software dating back to the late 90's or very early 00's so that's a real possibility.

It's a bunch of different systems that aren't fully compatible and I think some of them are even fixed-length database formats. This is why you also sometimes see stuff in one part of the system that hasn't been updated to another.

Or maybe I'm downplaying just how utterly psychotic and narcissistic Chris actually is.

I'm going with Chris being a narcissistic psychopath who wanted to cum and Barb was right there and couldn't stop him, although it's not unheard of for patients with dementia to engage in inappropriate sexual activity either.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Barb will pacify him if it doesn't inconvenience her OR have a impact on her she cant deal with.

Again if Barb truly could stop Chris, she would have and I don't doubt that. What I'm thinking is that she had to accept it because she's a frail old lady and any dissent would land her in a nursing home. My original idea was a far fetched theory as I've said, but I still think that she at least somewhat agreed to it if it meant staying in the hoard (which is still a form of rape because she was coerced).
Ultimately I think we're saying close to the same things, just worded differently. Barb wasn't into it and didn't legitimately agree to it, but it was either that or incur the wrath of Chris.

What are the odds that Barb was seeking some kind of familiar intimacy and Chris mis-read the situation entirely and took advantage of her?

That's pretty believable, it's not like Chris is the only one who'd get lonely holed up in a house all day long. They already were spooning and doing things a mother and son really shouldn't, maybe Chris thought the next logical step was giving her the duck.

 

[Kyuss]

Chris thought the next logical step was giving her the duck.

cum and Barb was right there and couldn't stop him

Absolutely terrifying, we do make our own hells don't we.

 

[Space_Dandy]

Do we know, is Chris still incarcerated? Seems so mysterious these days.

 

[Ophelia]

Do we know, is Chris still incarcerated? Seems so mysterious these days.

Last time someone checked Vine it said he was.

 

[themarchivist2]

What are the actual chances we don't hear from Chris until the review date?