#DropKiwiFarms

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(EndKiwiFarms tweet, archive.ph; Elliot must have his porn tweet, archive.ph)

:story: What a pair of posts. “Low-layer providers must censor the content I don't like! High-level providers must not censor prostitution and pornography!”

Here's the EndKiwiFarms blog post (endkiwifarms.net, archive.ph):

On Kiwi Farms' recent return to the open internet​

Nov 2, 2022

As members of the End Kiwi Farms campaign originally predicted in September, after being held in violation of Cloudflare's Terms of Service and Human Rights Policy, Kiwi Farms has bounced between various marginal providers. Eventually, no provider was both able and willing to be named as their gateway to the internet. Only their domain registrar, Epik, and an Epik subsidiary, Terrahost, are left as the public front for Kiwi Farms.

While Kiwi Farms almost certainly has multiple suppliers besides Epik and Terrahost (some of whom may not even know what they are hosting, due to traffic tunneling and encryption), it is telling that the internet community has cast out Kiwi Farms. So called “free speech” reaches its limits once enough people get hurt. Just as the internet systematically rejects spam and malware, the people who operate the internet should also reject attempts to cause significant harm to vulnerable groups and individuals.

Zayo and Voxility, tier 1 and tier 2 network providers respectively, both acted decisively once they learned about abuse being perpetuated by one of their customers. Epik should know that it will face mounting pressure upon its suppliers, whether they be Amazon Web Services, which provides it with DNS services, or GTT Communications and Sprint (now known as T-Mobile for Business), which provide it with Tier 1 transit and reachability to the rest of the internet.

This is an exceptional case, because Kiwi Farms has been kicked off of every managed hosting provider they've been on. For good cause, as their sole purpose is to violate the terms of service that every turnkey hosting provider is willing to tolerate. Most other sites so systematically rejected by mainstream providers would turn to Tor and the dark web, but Kiwi Farms behaved differently. Having burned all their bridges with managed providers, they turned to using their own infrastructure, all the way down to the IP assignment, ASN, and BGP layers.

Kiwi Farms has disguised themselves as just a fellow peer in the internet community, "1776 Solutions," and exploited our trust in each other to disseminate not just hatred, but incitement to violence. Our systems are designed for every network operator to act in good faith and assume others are acting in good faith when passing on reports or concerns, but what if they aren't? What if they are threatening our colleagues with harassment and violence?

What recourse do we have if the holder of a RIR-assigned netblock is using it specifically to harm people with no legitimate purpose? What if they refuse to take action on any reports of abuse because they themselves are the ones perpetuating abuse? What if the holder of an AS designation insists you peer with them on the same terms other paying transit clients do, pinky swears that they'll abide by your ToS and have an abuse contact, yet ignores the abuse reports, or worse, retaliates against those who report abuse?

We already agree as an Internet infrastructure community that CSAM is abhorrent and has no place on our networks, that blatant attempts to hijack traffic, disseminate worms/malware, or launch volumetric denial of service attacks should be blocked at source. That anyone who knowingly tolerates such is in turn also not welcome. DROP (Don't Route or Peer) is an effective technique that we have used for decades to manage abusive actors.

Speech is only free for all if those who are in the most danger are not silenced through threat of violence from others' "free speech". In the absence of governmental action (given governments may not always agree, are often the threat model, and turn a blind eye to harm), employees must collectively exercise their ethical obligations as engineers to prevent harm. We hope both that providers will devise human rights framework-based Terms of Service that reject censorship of vulnerable communities' voices such as sex workers, ethnic minorities such as Palestinians, and transgender people, while also enforcing that their services are not to be used to knowingly perpetuate terrorism, violence, and genocide.

Of course, this does not mean that action at the network layer should be taken against responsible managed service operators and application-layer platforms that make good faith efforts to respond to abuse reports. It is bad-faith clients seeking to avoid accountability that have no place among our community.

We're not naive about the possibility that Kiwi Farms will survive for a period of time on Tor, with anonymous providers, but only its most dedicated users will follow it there; anti-fascist researchers will be able to gather evidence every step of the way, and digital attacks that are not turnkey to mitigate are a persistent reality on the dark web. Decreasing the visibility and access to genocidal rhetoric has a provable amount of benefit in harm reduction, and the site’s economic viability diminishes when it lacks free rein to fundraise and further radicalize others. The impossibility of fully deplatforming hate does not mean we must hand hate a megaphone or weapon.

Not read it all because it's long and boring, but el oh el at this: “Speech is only free for all if those who are in the most danger are not silenced through threat of violence from others' "free speech". … We hope both that providers will devise human rights framework-based Terms of Service that reject censorship of vulnerable communities' voices … such as Palestinians … while also enforcing that their services are not to be used to knowingly perpetuate terrorism, violence, and genocide.”

Talk about force-teaming! But even picking this one example he gives, can he really imagine that, if he's successful, pro-Israel people won't use his own tactics against Palestinians? It wouldn't be hard to argue that pro-Palestine groups use such services "to knowingly perpetuate terrorism [and] violence."

Edit: I am loath to use this stupid fucking meme but it is oh so appropriate here:
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it is telling that the internet community has cast out Kiwi Farms.

A bunch of self castrated perverts, Middle aged crossdressers, porn addicts and tech bugmen are not the ‘internet community’. The implication that the internet belongs to any specific community is telling. Nobody, least of all KF is denying these degenerate access to community or policing their internet usage, we just talk about them.

Also, seeing this groomers and coomers try to conflate our talking with CSAM is insane.
 
EndKiwiFarms said:
Speech is only free for all if those who are in the most danger are not silenced through threat of violence from others' "free speech".
The precautionary principle precludes itself.

Those in the most danger of being silenced are those you are openly and not hypothetically (through someone else's future potential actions) attempting to silence with your own actions. Speech is not violence, violence is an act, silencing others is an act, speech itself is not an act. Speech cannot silence others as they remain free to speak. You are attempting to conflate speech with an act to justify actions to silence speech. Your own argument argues that you yourself should cease your actions.

I can only conclude that you do not actually believe your own argument and are simply dishonestly attempting to deceive others to betray what you suspect are their own strongly held pro-speech principles to carry out actions to silence speech you desire which they would refuse to do if they actually do believe in free speech. If you were not dishonest you would not need to stake your claim on your position being the "true" free speech one which itself implies that the silencing of speech is wrong, a position you cannot actually take while calling for action to silence speech.
 
I always find this funny. It's like saying "the road community", or "the telephone community". It's complete nonsense, but they use it to try and force an in-group/out-group dynamic for the purpose of exclusion from necessary infrastructure.
Same with "culture", they like to abuse that word a lot. Even if it's already being used for something different, they'll just hijack it for their own soapbox.

As an example, urbanists confused the fuck out of me the first time I heard the phrase "car culture" being used to describe the mere act of driving to places in a car, since us automotive enthusiasts have used that term to describe the general culture surrounding car enthusiasm for decades.
 
Same with "culture", they like to abuse that word a lot. Even if it's already being used for something different, they'll just hijack it for their own soapbox.

As an example, urbanists confused the fuck out of me the first time I heard the phrase "car culture" being used to describe the mere act of driving to places in a car, since us automotive enthusiasts have used that term to describe the general culture surrounding car enthusiasm for decades.
To build on this: it's all a manner of whitewashing. No normal thinking well adjusted individual thought to themselves that it was appropriate to lump granny driving her smart car driving to get groceries into the same category as a vato and his ricerocket. That's a supplanted thought or definition placed there specifically with the goal of demonizing the internal combustion engine for a myriad of potentially profitable reasons
 
I always find this funny. It's like saying "the road community", or "the telephone community". It's complete nonsense, but they use it to try and force an in-group/out-group dynamic for the purpose of exclusion from necessary infrastructure.

It’s insane when you look at it like that. Like saying only certain people can drive a certain brand of car, because the ‘BMW community’ has come to a consensus on the matter.
 
Just popping this down here because I realise the Hayden thread is almost completely unreadable and it’s too good not share with a wider audience.

Justice Nicklin, a British High Court Judge has been forced to read the Farms due to yet another Hayden instigated LolSuit:

Justice Nicklin accepts that KiwiFarms’ policy is ‘protecting freedom of expression’

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He acknowledges that KF posters are interested in far more than mocking troonery (eg the claimant’s multiple lolsuits)

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The judge seems surprised that a LOLcow would repeatedly turn up to read said cow’s own thread :

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The claimantcow claims Kiwifarmers are harassing cowself

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Judge says the KiwiFarms post (which uses sex based pronouns and freely shares an available-to-purchase-court-document) is ‘unremarkable’ and does not ‘disclose a case of harassment with any prospect of success’.

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So, in summary, Keffals and chums, a British High Court Judge (who specialises in civil cases involving media and communications) has been reading the Farms and he says ‘misgendering’ and document sharing are not harassment, that Josh’s motivation is the ‘protection of freedom of expression’ and that he doesn’t understand why you would come here and read this stuff anyway.

Full judgement by Justice Nicklin is available to read here:


Article: www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/non-party-applying-for-copy-of-court-order-can-keep-anonymity/5114129.article

Background on Justice Nicklin:

Screenshot showing Justice Nicklin’s legal specialism (for anyone too lazy to read the link above):

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(I expect @Null is already well aware of all this, just tagging him into this post on the off chance he’s been too busy to notice)
 
Just popping this down here because I realise the Hayden thread is almost completely unreadable and it’s too good not share with a wider audience.

Justice Nicklin, a British High Court Judge has been forced to read the Farms due to yet another Hayden instigated LolSuit:

Justice Nicklin accepts that KiwiFarms policy is ‘protecting freedom of expression’

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That posters are interested in more than just mocking troonery (eg the claimants multiple lolsuits)

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The judge seems surprised that a LOLcow would repeatedly turn up to read said cow’s thread :
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The claimantcow claims Kiwifarmers are harassing cowself

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Judge says the KiwiFarms post (that uses sex based pronouns and freely shares an available-to-purchase-court-document) is unremarkable and does not ‘disclose a case of harassment with any prospect of success’.

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So, in summary, Keffals and chums, a British High Court Judge (who specialises in civil cases involving media and communications) has been reading the Farms and he says ‘misgendering’ and document sharing are not harassment, that Josh’s motivation is the ‘protection of freedom of expression’ and that he doesn’t understand why you would come here and read this stuff anyway.

Full judgement by Justice Nicklin is available to read here:


Article: www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/non-party-applying-for-copy-of-court-order-can-keep-anonymity/5114129.article

Background on Justice Nicklin:

Screenshot showing Justice Nicklin’s legal specialism (for anyone too lazy to read the link above):

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(I expect @Null is already well aware of all this, just tagging him into this post on the off chance he’s been too busy to notice)
No wonder Liz mentioned going to tech companies instead of the court.
 
A bunch of self castrated perverts, Middle aged crossdressers, porn addicts and tech bugmen are not the ‘internet community’. The implication that the internet belongs to any specific community is telling. Nobody, least of all KF is denying these degenerate access to community or policing their internet usage, we just talk about them.

Also, seeing this groomers and coomers try to conflate our talking with CSAM is insane.

The most telling issue they have is trying to define what KF is and why it is so simple. Instead relying on circular definitions about it being a threatening site ("it's a threatening site because it threatens people!"), without easily defining the "threats" themselves. They are trying to convey KF as a bogeyman by simply conveying it as a bogeyman.

You know what is simple? SPAM is bad. CSAM is bad. DROP it. And anyone anywhere can define exactly what it is when they see it (except some edge case degenerate coomers, of course, who are also easy to spot, they're then gay men in the dressses). Instead KF *needs* a narrative built around it with lies, slander, and libel. "Don't go to the website, just go here to this page that talks about the website". It isn't plainly obvious, which makes it obviously a speech issue.
 
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What's this EndKiwiFarms site, do we know?
The language seems more LizFong than Sinseer? But not fully sure.
I'm willing to bet that it's LFJ. See:
Jekyll's commonly used with GitHub pages to publish simple sites, so I did a quick search there, but no dice. Then did a site search (site:github.com "endkiwifarms") with my preferred search engine and got this:
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You get a 404 if you visit the URL. Maybe LFJ accidentally created it as a public repo first?

Edit: HTTP response headers for endkiwifarms.net show it's served by GitHub.
HTTP:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
Age: 0
Cache-Control: max-age=600
Connection: keep-alive
Content-Encoding: gzip
Content-Length: 1532
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 01:07:01 GMT
ETag: W/"6358c285-1135"
Last-Modified: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 05:15:49 GMT
Server: GitHub.com

No wonder Liz mentioned going to tech companies instead of the court.
Exactly. What happens here isn't criminal in the jurisdiction where KF is hosted, which is also the jurisdiction where LFJ's company resides (ie the US). So instead the trannies are effectively trying to get private companies to "criminalize" KF.
 
What's this EndKiwiFarms site, do we know?
The language seems more LizFong than Sinseer? But not fully sure.

It looks like LFJ trying to create something that is along the same lines, but can be easily separated from 16K hours of Fallout 76 dude. He knows sinseer is a skitzo and he's building a lifeboat for when he's ultimately found out and cast out by the troon community, just like every other community he's been cast out of.

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Case in point: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/john-...sinseerdiscordia.102714/page-60#post-13099340

It's only a matter of time before John is exclusively using the DKF account as his main account for all his bullshit because that's the one with the most followers, so it gives him the biggest dopamine hit. LFJ is a cluster B narcissist coomer degenerate diversity hire, who is thinks he is much smarter than he is, but is not dumb.

John is obviously diluting the DKF brand with his skitzo bullshit, and the clock on him being a voice in the ever shrinking #DropKiwiFarms circle is ticking.
 
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As an example, urbanists confused the fuck out of me the first time I heard the phrase "car culture" being used to describe the mere act of driving to places in a car, since us automotive enthusiasts have used that term to describe the general culture surrounding car enthusiasm for decades.
It's not THAT weird. "Social Justice Warrior" was a term SJWs applied to themselves before GamerGate made it a pejorative.
 
I always find this funny. It's like saying "the road community", or "the telephone community". It's complete nonsense, but they use it to try and force an in-group/out-group dynamic for the purpose of exclusion from necessary infrastructure.
He's trying to create an appearance of authority and weight to his claims that he could not otherwise have because he has no credibility without it. Never mind that "Everyone hates you" is usually not considered a valid reason to try to burn a site to the ground for normal, emotionally balanced people.
 
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