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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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And yet most of the Ukraine populace supports the new regime and not the old one. Go figure.

You're also ignoring the on-the-ground popular support for this supposed "coup".

Do you use this same line of reasoning when it comes to support of Russia in Crimea?

America wouldn't have so many friends there if the people weren't so staunchly anti-Russian.

We are an imperialist nation that throws money around, and the corrupt fuckers in charge of these countries are always more than happy to suck from the American teat. That doesn't necessarily mean we are in the right, it just means corrupt fucks like money.

Also, we joke about Globohomo but we pretty much demand other counties accept it as fealty. Shit even Taiwan is signaling https://www.breakingasia.com/taiwan/taiwan-dubbed-as-asias-most-lgbtq-friendly-country/ for our friendship. "Hey America, we'll be the gayest for money and protection"!
 
Do you use this same line of reasoning when it comes to support of Russia in Crimea?

Don't change topics. The majority of Ukraine supported the so-called "coup" and are now fighting against the Russians who are trying to undo said "coup". You Vatniks always change topics when you're proven wrong.

As for Crimea, if the Russian people are truly fired up in the fight to keep it, they wouldn't need to draft randos and prison bitches to keep Ukraine out.

We are an imperialist nation that throws money around, and the corrupt fuckers in charge of these countries are always more than happy to suck from the American teat. That doesn't necessarily mean we are in the right, it just means corrupt fucks like money.

And is Russia any different? At least we offer more than dystopia and putting corrupt oligarchs in charge, sucking the blood of the nation.

Also, we joke about Globohomo but we pretty much demand other counties accept it as fealty. Shit even Taiwan is signaling https://www.breakingasia.com/taiwan/taiwan-dubbed-as-asias-most-lgbtq-friendly-country/ for our friendship. "Hey America, we'll be the gayest for money and protection"!

Dude, Asia is full of people who make the LGBT in America seem tame. From Thai ladyboys (kathoey), to Yaoi/Yuri Japanese anime and manga, to gays and trannies being prevalent in celebrity circles in countries like the Philippines, LGBT in Asia is a fucking free-for-all compared to the modern West. The sky's the limit down there, and the only people killing or prosecuting gays are Muslims.
 
Also, we joke about Globohomo but we pretty much demand other counties accept it as fealty. Shit even Taiwan is signaling https://www.breakingasia.com/taiwan/taiwan-dubbed-as-asias-most-lgbtq-friendly-country/ for our friendship. "Hey America, we'll be the gayest for money and protection"!

All jokes about "globohomo" aside, tell me you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America without saying you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America...
 
All jokes about "globohomo" aside, tell me you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America without saying you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America...
These people can't even trust themselves to not become gay smh my head so much insecurity!
I'm only half-joking. There are more important problems than gays. Faggots, for example, like these guys sucking off Putin here.

Sure, tt's important to protect kids from ideological brainwashing, of any kind I'd say, not just this. But explain to me, what the fuck does it have to do with Russia? It's a domestic problem, it's up to your people to do something about it, you brokebrain assmunchers.
 
Nigger, after everything we've seen throughout the last ~8 months, even you would have to admit that they at the very least have a chance.
If they didn't, what was supposed to be an operation lasting few weeks at most wouldn't have turned into a war nearing one year mark.
Two weeks to flatten the curve take Kharkov!
... and they go forward - is ruzzia using mere platoons to defend?
With the supply line catastrophes, Ivan is suffering from vodka withdrawals. He'll be up and ready to fight those hohol fascists the minute he gets a fresh bottle. As to that Putin-fellator's talk about numbers, the USA has already outproduced the USSR in terms of numbers, and we're shipping Ukraine things to gut what little effective reserves they had. Any fight would be over before the Russians could mobilize, for example that key 11th Guards formation in Kaliningrad was already shattered and broken for NATO by Ukraine.

If that isn't enough, according to Wikipedia there are over 10k Abrams tanks produced. 1848 M1A1's turned the Iraqi Army into scrap metal. I can't imagine these T-62 obr 2022 Putin is deploying will perform any better against M1A2's.
Even if Russia somehow wins, the cost has been far too steep.

This isn't even to mention they'd have to occupy a nation that utterly hates them, and we all know how that ends up going.
And if anyone thinks there wouldn't be massive amounts of NATO armaments falling off trucks conveniently across the border where we just can't recover them without crossing, well... in 1865 when the French were still fucking around in Mexico the US Army kept losing Springfields in odd boating accidents on the Rio Grande River only for them to be miraculously recovered by Mexican troops.
 
12 HIMARs were enough to stagnate the Russian advance and cause the Kharkiv front line to collapse.
TBF I think there were like 6 formerly British M270A1s in use as well.

So like 18-20 modern rocket artillery fucking the entire Russian horde...

Let's be fair.
Taking Bakhmut would allow Russia to sever Ukraine's Central Front North-South supply lines, and provide Russia a staging ground that could be used to attack the other Ukrainian positions in Luhansk & pressure Ukraine in Donetsk; if you are going to evict Ukraine from those regions, you need to take Bakhmut.
Bakhmut is strategically important, and it is also symbolically important as it shows you are forcing the Ukrainazis from the totally real and legitimately voted into existance LPR.
My point was less that Bakhmut is strategically insignificant, and more about mocking the idea that its so strategically significant that its loss spells the end of the Ukrainian Army.

These people can't even trust themselves to not become gay smh my head so much insecurity!
I'm only half-joking. There are more important problems than gays. Faggots, for example, like these guys sucking off Putin here.

Sure, tt's important to protect kids from ideological brainwashing, of any kind I'd say, not just this. But explain to me, what the fuck does it have to do with Russia? It's a domestic problem, it's up to your people to do something about it, you brokebrain assmunchers.
Listen, GLOBOHOMO SHEEPLE FAGGOT, the only reason I accidentally jerked of to gay porn again was because the CIA FUCKING MADE ME DO IT, okay?!? I'm not a homosexual faggot like all you HATO Holol lovers, okay?!? I'm just the victim of a CIA plot to turn us all gay!
Once Russia slaughters Ukraine and the GRU installs a pro-Russian puppet unlike a fucking illegitimate coup leader who FUCKING GLOWS FROM SPACE, I'll stop having thoughts about man sex which is exactly what you rainbow queer westerners with your faggot mind control want me to do!
 
TBF I think there were like 6 formerly British M270A1s in use as well.

So like 18-20 modern rocket artillery fucking the entire Russian horde...
In 1991 we invited Soviet troops to come watch Desert Storm and take notes on what NATO was bringing to the table in case their hardliners decided to try anything stupid. Somewhere in the 30 years since then those notes were lost, even as the USA's capability only expanded and Russia's only shrank. An Iraqi brigade commander who was already tested in battle against Iran said 30 minutes of US and British airpower mauled his armored brigade worse than eight years of combat against the Iranians. That was in 1991. At this point it would take maybe three minutes with how massively US guided munitions have advanced.
 
My point was less that Bakhmut is strategically insignificant, and more about mocking the idea that its so strategically significant that its loss spells the end of the Ukrainian Army.

Fair.

I'd also point out that in the start of the war, when Russia held Lyman, Taking Bakhmut (and Siversk, which Bakmut as a forward fire support base would make easier) would allowed them to open a rail corridor all the way from Russia. If Russia was still in control of Lyman, taking Bakhmut would let Russia pressure the entire southern front. They could take Siversk and not only resupply from Russia, but the ability to move troops and equipment rapidly along the line to hammer any weakpoint and rapidly respond to any Ukraine counter offensives.

So its true that at one point taking Bakhmut would have all but forced Ukraine to abandon nearly all of the totally legit DPR/LPR. (Which is proably why Wagner got a contract to take the town) But that time is months in past, especially with the front moving dangerously close to the Russian primary rail hub.
 
Fair.

I'd also point out that in the start of the war, when Russia held Lyman, Taking Bakhmut (and Siversk, which Bakmut as a forward fire support base would make easier) would allowed them to open a rail corridor all the way from Russia. If Russia was still in control of Lyman, taking Bakhmut would let Russia pressure the entire southern front. They could take Siversk and not only resupply from Russia, but the ability to move troops and equipment rapidly along the line to hammer any weakpoint and rapidly respond to any Ukraine counter offensives.

So its true that at one point taking Bakhmut would have all but forced Ukraine to abandon nearly all of the totally legit DPR/LPR. (Which is proably why Wagner got a contract to take the town) But that time is months in past, especially with the front moving dangerously close to the Russian primary rail hub.
Have you considered the potential situation that Russian high command has their heads so far up their asses that despite its lack of strategic use at the moment they simply haven't canceled the contract to take Bakhmut and they've been constantly screaming at Prizkhorin to get it done yesterday because that's what they're paying him for?
 
Don't change topics. The majority of Ukraine supported the so-called "coup" and are now fighting against the Russians who are trying to undo said "coup".

It's not a change of subject. By your argument if the people of Crimea want to be part of Russia, which based on all of their voting since 2014 they do, then shouldn't they be a part of Russia? This is the logic you used to justify the overthrow of the elected government in 2014, so I'm asking if you're consistent with that. Same goes for the independence referndums of Luhansk and Donetsk. "The People Support It!" lol

You Vatniks always change topics when you're proven wrong.

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And is Russia any different? At least we offer more than dystopia and putting corrupt oligarchs in charge, sucking the blood of the nation.

No, Russia has imperialist ambitions too. I'm an agorist, I don't bend the knee to either group of fucktwits, but you guys acting like we can totally trust the CIA this time are fucking hilarious.

All jokes about "globohomo" aside, tell me you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America without saying you don't know shit about "LGBT" culture outside of America...

Shut up faggot.
 
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Have you considered the potential situation that Russian high command has their heads so far up their asses that despite its lack of strategic use at the moment they simply haven't canceled the contract to take Bakhmut and they've been constantly screaming at Prizkhorin to get it done yesterday because that's what they're paying him for?

That's pretty much what is likely to have happened, yes.

It is a shame no russian officers will survive to write about the catch 22-tier shenanigans that are happening in Russian Command.
 
That's pretty much what is likely to have happened, yes.

It is a shame no russian officers will survive to write about the catch 22-tier shenanigans that are happening in Russian Command.
Well, someone's going to wind up on top and write a tell-all denouncing and scapegoating all of the generals who are too conveniently dead to defend themselves.
 
The only problem is it's not as easy as picking up an AK, pretty sure they have crashed at least one helo trying.
Helicopters (all modern aircraft, mostly) require a constant stream of specialized parts to keep in working order. Even if they have the knowhow to fly the things they are getting close to exhausting parts. Same reason why Iran needed to smuggle F-14 tomcat parts illegally from the US and why the F-14 fleet was ultimately destroyed to prevent parts leaking into Iran.
 
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