Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

I gotcha on the archive. Just go to archive.ph and enter the URL, it's easy-peasy.

I did not manage to get through the absolute nonsense that is this article, the main aim of which seems to be to use as many creative adjectives for 'TERFs' and their cause as possible. Of course it was written by a troon. A seething, dilating troon.

Naturally, it was also published by the outlet in which Joe posts adverts for sex, so I expected nothing better.
 
I gotcha on the archive. Just go to archive.ph and enter the URL, it's easy-peasy.

I did not manage to get through the absolute nonsense that is this article, the main aim of which seems to be to use as many creative adjectives for 'TERFs' and their cause as possible. Of course it was written by a troon. A seething, dilating troon.

Naturally, it was also published by the outlet in which Joe posts adverts for sex, so I expected nothing better.
Thanks for the archive help! That sounds easy enough!

The thing I caught was that Joe supposedly dropped out of his debate due to anti semitism.


Sure, Jan!
 
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During the book tour, Lavery found to her great pleasure that British TERFs — or as she calls them, the “astro-TERFs” — are much more of a media and online phenomenon in the U.K. than any sort of viable center-left anti-trans movement.
"There's no way these people simply don't care about me, they must not be real!"

Grace remarks that “expositions of trans life as it is lived is sort of the only genre that trans people have historically been allowed to work in.” Danny objects, “‘Well, I’ve not been allowed to work in it.’” The scene resonated with me because it often seems like only memoir or novelization of gender experience gets understood as “trans writing” — yet even so, it’s reserved for femmes.
So even in trans writing, no one cares about actual women's experiences? lol and lmao

“if everything one knew about sex came from queer theory that was written between 2000 the present, then one would [assume] I think that sex is… like, pure compulsion, quasi-suicidal."
Jesus Christ.

Vicky Osterweil is a writer, editor and agitator based in Philadelphia. She is the author of In Defense of Looting: A Riotous History of Uncivil Action.
Vicky used to be Willie, and is partnered to Sophie Lewis the Communist Abolish the Family writer.
LMAO, this is all a gigantic bit. Try to read this article without your eyes going crossed.

I do like how it was all an excuse for the writer to continue bullying Joe for trying to debate, just in case he's rethinking it.
 
Indeed, in this moment of collapsing reproductive rights and trans backlash, it can be hard to see just how desperate, fragile, and weak the reactionary worldview is. As I write this, the New York Times’s newest columnist Pamela Paul has published the latest high-profile TERF nonsense, implying that progressive movements’ support for trans women is actually misogyny, an expression of contempt for cis women comparable to that of murderous incels. The absurdity of her argument suggests a losing rearguard struggle against our advancing liberation.
Amazing sentences.

I'd actually argue that incels (who are not murderous, one does not a trend make) are less hateful of women, especially publicly, than many troons. There's an anger and frustration with certain types of women among inceldom from what I've seen but I've often seen the specific claims as more of a hyperbolic appeal to a certain type of standard (albeit one I don't agree with certainly) and one that doesn't rope off all women as unworthy of respect. I'm not sure exactly what would get Joe, and most troons, to respect a woman as a woman. Even being a sexual supplicant who never dissents doesn't actually seem to do it since all the other women out there continue to oppress them.
 
During the book tour, Lavery found to her great pleasure that British TERFs — or as she calls them, the “astro-TERFs” — are much more of a media and online phenomenon in the U.K. than any sort of viable center-left anti-trans movement.
"There's no way these people simply don't care about me, they must not be real!"

I was in mere strolling distance of one of Joe’s events. Still didn’t bother going.

Put free booze on next time Joe!
Bribe us into paying attention to you!

From the article photo I surmise Joe has entered his Jazz-Jennings-Chemical-Castrate phase.

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Only older.

Obviously and significantly older.
 
I finally finished this goddamn thread now that we're back for the second time. I was an old Jezebel/Groupthink/The Hairpin/The Toast commenter and followed Mal until she trooned out and everyone else also got obsessed with trans issues. (Multiple male Jez/GT commenters also trooned out over time, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad)

I looked up to Mal and Nicole (and even Jia and Lindsay) as having the dream life when I was an impressionable uni student. I wanted to be seen as witty and awkwardly charming and have people want to debate the finer points of disposable pop culture with me.

... But almost everyone from that era is a fucking disaster now. All of them were hiding yawing black holes of emptiness under their thin brittle clever outer shells.

I think the reason so many of us (and I say us because I was one of them, or at least wanted to be one of them) get sucked into troonism is because their whole lives and selves are just performance. They have no experience of being authentic to or knowing themselves, or that that's a thing that's even possible, so performing "gender" doesn't seem (or even feel) much different to them than performing "coolness".

What the fuck happened in millennial culture to create a whole generation of PMC elites so cut off from themselves that this is the reducio ad absurdum end result?
We were the hipster generation too, where everything was ironic and performative. This is the essence of postmodernism and late-stage capitalism: everything is artificial, marketable, purchasable. Of course you should have the ability to make your body as you see fit, and you should also have the ability to force everyone to acknowledge that or your fee-fees are hurted. Only the individual matters, not the group.

I find the people that are in the trans cult tend to lack any deep community-ideological or spiritual ties. That’s why they fall for trans: they are lonely, spend too much time online and sucking up pop culture in vidya and movies. They don’t touch grass. They don’t go to dinner parties with friends or have meaningful roles in their communities. It’s a sad, empty life. Gender performance, as you said, replaces authenticity of self, which is ironic because trannies all claim that they are more themselves when they transition. But it’s just substituting one mode of artifice for another.
 
Here's one post from our time offline I can't bear to let go by unremarked. 'Hunky' Mallory still wearing that shapeless sack from the infamous NY Times photo shoot and showing off her thunder thighs.
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The photo of that panel is level 5, code red:
🚨severe troonery alert🚨
Everybody visible appears to be some flavor of troon or troonette. Lmao at “hunky” Mallory.
 
Not very interesting, but some anthologised essay of Mallory's is in Slate.
Fat girl essay

Running Away—and Eating Like an Absolute King​

I was sure that food would taste better, out there.​

BY DANNY M. LAVERY
The most substantial and immediate result of reading novels as a child was the shoring up of a dim yet tenacious conviction that somewhere out in the world was good food, good food of a type and quality and quantity that was either being consciously denied me in the present by certain unknown insurgent agents or whose preparation and provenance had long ago been forgotten. The best literary foods always appeared in the process of running away, that ceaseless and shared imaginative project of childhood everywhere.

My family lived in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, roughly equidistant between a Piggly Wiggly and a Jewel-Osco supermarket, which supplied my parents with sufficient material to feed us regularly and, I have no doubt, with the best of intentions. This meant skinless chicken breasts, sometimes with and sometimes without a sheet of Coca-Cola–colored teriyaki sauce blurted over them; Hamburger Helper (usually the beef stroganoff variety, but on at least one memorable occasion the cheeseburger macaroni made an appearance); massive and perpetually out-of-season raspberries in plastic clamshells; blue glasses of skim milk; foil-skinned triangles of Laughing Cow cheese; steamed broccoli; jealously guarded green boxes of SnackWell’s diet devil’s food cookie cakes and Healthy Choice diet ice cream; Trix pink-and-purple-swirl–flavored yogurt; a newspaper-clipping recipe for coffee cake; Jif peanut butter (smooth, always; the primary texture of my childhood was smoothness); Little Caesars pizza on Friday nights; Oroweat whole-grain bread; a tusk-colored tub of Country Crock margarine; Eggo mini waffles on Sundays, two flats apiece, each flat containing four mini waffles, for a total of eight mini waffles per person, with Log Cabin maple-flavored syrup, microwaved for 15 seconds before pouring.

But the type of book I liked best as a middle-grade, middle-class, middle-risk child always managed to combine the independence of running away with the conveniences of a secure household: Lucy Pevensie bolts out of England through the wardrobe and straight into afternoon tea; the Kincaid siblings tuck themselves into the Metropolitan Museum of Art and subsequently tuck into pie and coffee from the automat (a true flower of the Midwest, I was overwhelmed by the glamour of the very idea of automated coffee); Liza and Annie of Annie on My Mind share baked beans and cheese sandwiches at the selfsame museum a decade or so later; Jesse’s terrifyingly extravagant three-dollar lunch in Bridge to Terabithia; even Ramona Quimby’s “tongue surprise” had an otherworldly appeal, as the only tongue I’d ever chewed had been my own, to say nothing of her basement feast of apples; the hoarded blueberries and river-cold bottles of milk available to the Boxcar Children, whose tenure in the boxcar was disappointingly brief; Heidi’s endless supply of toasted-cheese sandwiches; the dizzying array of savory pies available to Bilbo Baggins and the mice priests of Redwall, which often melded together into a single feast in my imagination.

Tldr: Sperging about an (imaginary?) middle american childhood spent eating trash and reading girl books, fantasising about food eaten by characters in girl books.


Neither charming nor manly.
 
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