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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the KF telegram not run by the same people as the site itself? I don't use TG so apologies if I'm mistaken
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You'd think someone so hopelessly obsessed with the farms would know this.
 
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Correct me if I wrong but isn't the KF telegram not run by the same people as the site itself? I don't use TG so apologies if I'm mistaken
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You'd think someone so hopelessly obsessed with the farms would know this.
Yeah, the main TG is a cesspool. The offshoots are where its at. But the main chat is jannied by different people than the site.
 
Correct me if I wrong but isn't the KF telegram not run by the same people as the site itself? I don't use TG so apologies if I'm mistaken
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You'd think someone so hopelessly obsessed with the farms would know this.
Correct. It can be easily infiltrated and people post things to try and get it taken down.


Granted, Telegram has very lenient ToS for public chats. There are only three main bullet points, such as no porn, calls to violence or selling illegal drugs and other standard rules.

John has consistently tried to @ the Telegram twitter account but they don't reply as they are mostly focused on helping users who are having issues with the app itself, not capitulating to weirdos on Twitter.

LizDongGone and Sinseer have both tried to go after Telegram through google but to no avail.

If a fine over the last 4 years from Germany isn't enough to get TG in line, I doubt a bunch of Twitter troons will either.

If anything, Telegram would probably move to federation first before bending their knee as it has been polled and hinted in some of their temporary official chats that have long shut down.

But back to Sinseer - he has been going hard after Netkas recently and has threatned to call the police on "revenge porn" which was taken from John's own website. So he would be reporting himself.
 
No wonder Liz mentioned going to tech companies instead of the court.
That fag already tried that once and have got dunked real hard by judge. Elliot's claims were a typical hysteric whining about his feefees and "defamation" when it turned out that he have indeed got some shady shit done. Oh well! :story:
 
But back to Sinseer - he has been going hard after Netkas recently and has threatned to call the police on "revenge porn" which was taken from John's own website. So he would be reporting himself.
Johnny Fallout is such a fucking obsessive weirdo I wouldn't be surprised if he tried something so retarded it ended up fucking himself in the process.
 
Correct me if I wrong but isn't the KF telegram not run by the same people as the site itself? I don't use TG so apologies if I'm mistaken
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You'd think someone so hopelessly obsessed with the farms would know this.

It sounds like he enjoys gossiping about people he doesn’t like over the Internet. Isn’t that stalking and harassment in his book?
 
It sounds like he enjoys gossiping about people he doesn’t like over the Internet. Isn’t that stalking and harassment in his book?
It's been his entire Internet existence, it's why he's banned from the D&D, Fallout, Discord, etc communities. 100% sinseer is the most active user in that telegram, which is a cesspit and the only people who communicate in it regularly (especially when the site is up) are various trolls, incels, and exceptional retards.

This is what ol john boy does, his youtube channel is proof of this. His fallout videos of him being "harassed" and "stalked" is him silently following people around for hours and eavesdropping on them mostly invisible. He, because he's afraid of speaking to people lmao, will then spam his soundboard of pre-recorded messages to argue with people who will then make some innocuous statement like "guys just ignore it, sinseer is crazy".
Video title; FALLOUT 76 STALKER HARRASSER FROM DOXXXxXXxXING GROUP IS TRANSPHOBIC AND CALLED ME "IT".

He's properly insane and anyone who engages with him is equally as retarded.
edit: added more X's to 'doxing'
 
That fag already tried that once and have got dunked real hard by judge. Elliot's claims were a typical hysteric whining about his feefees and "defamation" when it turned out that he have indeed got some shady shit done. Oh well! :story:

Lol! Do you have a link to the court docs for that?

Dong Gone is so fucking transparent that everything he wants *needs* to be extra judicial because he can't stand the thought that people who have crafted law and policy around this stuff disagree with what he currently wants. Private companies obviously work better for him, because there is always a manager he can call and try to threaten.

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(Bonus Cow Crossover: Bex in these archive links complaining that free speech caused a miscarriage)
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Double Bonus: For me but not thee hypocrisy (and don't you identify as Canadian?)
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Daily Dilation of Stinkditch must have begun, I've switched over to TOR.
Every time they do this shit it just makes me laugh at them more.
You'll never silence that voice in your head faggot.
Medical Assisted Euthanasia is a thing in Canada now, maybe better if you look into it, it would be the first time you made your family proud for years.
 
Correct me if I wrong but isn't the KF telegram not run by the same people as the site itself? I don't use TG so apologies if I'm mistaken
Nah, it's run by people not particularly relateed to farms. How did that happened? Beats me, I don't know, neither give a damn, BUT! I was TG chat moderator and boy have I had a good time from time to time, truly. :story:
No really, it was great.

Yeah, the main TG is a cesspool. The offshoots are where its at. But the main chat is jannied by different people than the site.
Wonder how many splinters are there now and how much is run by literal troons\pedos that would like to discriminate our Dear Feeder for a hefty of copper coin.

It sounds like he enjoys gossiping about people he doesn’t like over the Internet. Isn’t that stalking and harassment in his book?
Absolutely. Which makes him a perfect pink triangle kiwi. :story:

Lol! Do you have a link to the court docs for that?
Oof, I apologise, I mistook his google shenanigans with kiwi lolsuits.
Took info from his thread, it's right in the OP.
 
Even if Kiwi Farms is taken off the clearnet - the users will still exist and rebuild accordingly to mock the most ridiculous people. And the benefit will mean futher decentralization.

Also, the actions LizDongGone is involved in is further proof why monopolies have to be split up. A lot of this infrastructure are thanks to our tax dollars and the lobbying done by corporate activistd begging big daddy govt to gib monies to build.

That needs to be taken away.
 
Jekyll's commonly used with GitHub pages to publish simple sites, so I did a quick search there, but no dice. Then did a site search (site:github.com "endkiwifarms") with my preferred search engine and got this:
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You get a 404 if you visit the URL. Maybe LFJ accidentally created it as a public repo first?

Edit: HTTP response headers for endkiwifarms.net show it's served by GitHub.
HTTP:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
Age: 0
Cache-Control: max-age=600
Connection: keep-alive
Content-Encoding: gzip
Content-Length: 1532
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 01:07:01 GMT
ETag: W/"6358c285-1135"
Last-Modified: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 05:15:49 GMT
Server: GitHub.com
I take this as evidence that Liz is behind Endkiwifarms.net
The language used in the latest post definitely suggests it's Liz (for those of you that didn't get to read it):


Archived: https://archive.ph/3JlPK

On Kiwi Farms' recent return to the open internet
Nov 2, 2022
As members of the End Kiwi Farms campaign originally predicted in September, after being held in violation of Cloudflare's Terms of Service and Human Rights Policy, Kiwi Farms has bounced between various marginal providers. Eventually, no provider was both able and willing to be named as their gateway to the internet. Only their domain registrar, Epik, and an Epik subsidiary, Terrahost, are left as the public front for Kiwi Farms.
While Kiwi Farms almost certainly has multiple suppliers besides Epik and Terrahost (some of whom may not even know what they are hosting, due to traffic tunneling and encryption), it is telling that the internet community has cast out Kiwi Farms. So called “free speech” reaches its limits once enough people get hurt. Just as the internet systematically rejects spam and malware, the people who operate the internet should also reject attempts to cause significant harm to vulnerable groups and individuals.
Zayo and Voxility, tier 1 and tier 2 network providers respectively, both acted decisively once they learned about abuse being perpetuated by one of their customers. Epik should know that it will face mounting pressure upon its suppliers, whether they be Amazon Web Services, which provides it with DNS services, or GTT Communications and Sprint (now known as T-Mobile for Business), which provide it with Tier 1 transit and reachability to the rest of the internet.
This is an exceptional case, because Kiwi Farms has been kicked off of every managed hosting provider they've been on. For good cause, as their sole purpose is to violate the terms of service that every turnkey hosting provider is willing to tolerate. Most other sites so systematically rejected by mainstream providers would turn to Tor and the dark web, but Kiwi Farms behaved differently. Having burned all their bridges with managed providers, they turned to using their own infrastructure, all the way down to the IP assignment, ASN, and BGP layers.
Kiwi Farms has disguised themselves as just a fellow peer in the internet community, "1776 Solutions," and exploited our trust in each other to disseminate not just hatred, but incitement to violence. Our systems are designed for every network operator to act in good faith and assume others are acting in good faith when passing on reports or concerns, but what if they aren't? What if they are threatening our colleagues with harassment and violence?
What recourse do we have if the holder of a RIR-assigned netblock is using it specifically to harm people with no legitimate purpose? What if they refuse to take action on any reports of abuse because they themselves are the ones perpetuating abuse? What if the holder of an AS designation insists you peer with them on the same terms other paying transit clients do, pinky swears that they'll abide by your ToS and have an abuse contact, yet ignores the abuse reports, or worse, retaliates against those who report abuse?
We already agree as an Internet infrastructure community that CSAM is abhorrent and has no place on our networks, that blatant attempts to hijack traffic, disseminate worms/malware, or launch volumetric denial of service attacks should be blocked at source. That anyone who knowingly tolerates such is in turn also not welcome. DROP (Don't Route or Peer) is an effective technique that we have used for decades to manage abusive actors.
Speech is only free for all if those who are in the most danger are not silenced through threat of violence from others' "free speech". In the absence of governmental action (given governments may not always agree, are often the threat model, and turn a blind eye to harm), employees must collectively exercise their ethical obligations as engineers to prevent harm. We hope both that providers will devise human rights framework-based Terms of Service that reject censorship of vulnerable communities' voices such as sex workers, ethnic minorities such as Palestinians, and transgender people, while also enforcing that their services are not to be used to knowingly perpetuate terrorism, violence, and genocide.
Of course, this does not mean that action at the network layer should be taken against responsible managed service operators and application-layer platforms that make good faith efforts to respond to abuse reports. It is bad-faith clients seeking to avoid accountability that have no place among our community.
We're not naive about the possibility that Kiwi Farms will survive for a period of time on Tor, with anonymous providers, but only its most dedicated users will follow it there; anti-fascist researchers will be able to gather evidence every step of the way, and digital attacks that are not turnkey to mitigate are a persistent reality on the dark web. Decreasing the visibility and access to genocidal rhetoric has a provable amount of benefit in harm reduction, and the site’s economic viability diminishes when it lacks free rein to fundraise and further radicalize others. The impossibility of fully deplatforming hate does not mean we must hand hate a megaphone or weapon.

"and digital attacks that are not turnkey to mitigate are a persistent reality on the dark web", openly admitting they will continue to DDoS Tor just to get KF.

This part in particular very literally sounds like it was written by Liz Fong Jones:

"Our systems are designed for every network operator to act in good faith and assume others are acting in good faith when passing on reports or concerns, but what if they aren't? What if they are threatening our colleagues with harassment and violence?
What recourse do we have if the holder of a RIR-assigned netblock is using it specifically to harm people with no legitimate purpose? What if they refuse to take action on any reports of abuse because they themselves are the ones perpetuating abuse? What if the holder of an AS designation insists you peer with them on the same terms other paying transit clients do, pinky swears that they'll abide by your ToS and have an abuse contact, yet ignores the abuse reports, or worse, retaliates against those who report abuse?"

Well Liz ou have two options: LE and the courts, but you are far-left ACAB technoanarchists who despise both, so you've resorted to committing cybercrimes to get your way... BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE LAW IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE!

DROP (Don't Route or Peer) is an effective technique that we have used for decades to manage abusive actors.

But you are not using DROP, you are using DDoSing, hacking, user data stealing, digital hostage taking and open blackmail of ISPs with 48 hour ultimatums. The lists you've published on Github aren't DROP lists, they are DDoS hitlists that you pass around to your fellow cybercriminals, so they can DDoS KF's ISP and peers, while you attack the front office with an e-mail bomb of false abuse reports.

For those of you who are new to this thread and don't know what I am referring to, go to the Grayhat Academy Github account and look at the DDoS hitlists that are maintained there. They are being regularly updated with the latest #DropKiwiFarms targets by Liz and Kevin Karhan. On Github they'll falsely claim that these DDoS hitlists are supposedly "just" regular DROP lists, but we all know that's bullshit. They're lying about these being DROP lists so that Github will allow them to keep using their accounts to commit cybercrimes against KiwiFarms while superficially appearing to act legit. In reality, these are the DDoS hitlists that they distribute to the people carrying about these attacks. This is what they use to blackmail ISP and carriers openly on Twatter, with 48 ultimatums openly threatening to add them to these lists.

The GrayHat Academy DDoS hitlists were first share on Twatter here, in a tweet by Kevin Karhan:


Have a look at them for yourselves:


The impossibility of fully deplatforming hate does not mean we must hand hate a megaphone or weapon.

Oh, we all know how you feel about weapons, it's all Freudian hon, when you went and cut that dick off, you had to replace it with something else. I take solace in the fact that you are more likely to use your weapons to shoot yourselves on a bad day, with or without KF on the internet to blame for what you and only you did to yourselves.

They offer an API, so presumably someone is automating with it. The last scan I saw originated in Australia, where Elliot spends a lot of time.
I checked https://urlscan.io again today, and lo behold, Kiwifarms.net no longer constantly appears in that list on the frontpage every 10 seconds. It still shows up occasionally, but much less frequently than yesterday:

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In other words: Liz is obsessively hate-lurking at this forum. He saw my posts where I was pointing out that "someone" was URLscanning KF every 10 seconds, and even Liz must've realized how obsessed that looks. I am guessing that Liz has now made his obsessive URLscans private (which is an option according to their FAQ) to save himself the embarrassment (FU, you're still an embarrassment). Or is there a way to prevent your site from being URLscanned? Like a robots.txt entry you can put in there to opt out?

Edit: according to their FAQ you have to mail Urlscan.io to opt out of being scanned by them:

Q: Can you prevent my domain from being scanned? Can you bulk-delete existing scans?

A: Yes, please send us a email at info@urlscan.io with the domains or URL patterns you'd like us to add to our blocking list and/or would like us to remove from historical scans.

LMAO, can you imagine what would happen if the ISPs and sites targeted by Liz all contacted urlcan.io and opted out? He'd go apeshit.

Liz also uses the website https://bgp.tools/ BGP stands for Border Gateway Protocol, that's the protocol that individual ie "autonomous" networks use to communicate with one another. When a rare ISP with a spine :optimistic:tells Liz to fuck off with his e-mail bombs flooding their abuse dept and his DDoS blackmail, Liz then uses this BGP.tools website to figure out how escalate his crybully bullshit to the networks that the ISP uses to communicate with the rest of the internet. Because there are less of these than there are ISPs, they can make or break an ISP. That's what allows Liz to "break the internet". When you see these cybercriminals on Twatter using the term "de-peering", this is what they are referring to. They escalate their abuse mail-bombs and their DDoS blackmail to the peers, who will then threaten to "de-peer" whatever ISP is hosting KF. This is so fucking unfair because there is no balance of power here, it's a blatantly stacked deck where the peers have all the power. It's these huge-ass peers ganging up on a lowly ISP to force their hand upon against even more powerless website. I do feel sorry for Null, because he's been trying to explain these things to people for years, but because of the instantaneous nature of the internet, people have a hard time imagining these abstract concepts. I think this is especially true for zoomers who have grown up with the internet and expect it to just be there, everywhere, like it's in the air or something. But this is really the material stuff that the internet is made of, these are the blatantly hierarchical relationships, that the supposedly free flow of information is contingent on. Everyone's data flow at the mercy of fucking SJW politicized censorious peers.

What's this EndKiwiFarms site, do we know?
The language seems more LizFong than Sinseer? But not fully sure.
It's likely a website run by Liz, see above for the Github copy suggesting he's behind it. Also the language is similar to Liz.
I'm willing to bet that it's LFJ.
Me too.
It could also be Kevin Karhan (Kevin Katze), but I think what's most notable is that it is for sure not John "Sinseer" and that it is using a generic brand (EndKiwiFarms) that is a synonym for #DropKiwiFarms.
No fucking way, have you read Kevin's tweets? Kevin is German, and he's mentally ill. He sounds like a fucking unhinged borderline violent German mental patient. He doesn't sound anything like Liz, and there's no way he would've written this.
Lmao, how embarrassing. Imagine just sitting there seething and obsessing over KF all day, while everyone else is having fun. Troons really actively choose to be miserable.
There are thousands of results, all from the same IP.
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Edit: Given the amount of scans, did he buy a subscription just to spy on KF? They start at 199$/month
I saw that too, that it was all from Australia, and I thought that was another indication it was Liz. (Though if you look closely at their interface under "options", you can select to make it look like you're scanning from Australia. I''d guess he selected that.)
Daily Dilation of Stinkditch must have begun, I've switched over to TOR.
LMAO, I actually love this as a metaphor for the DDoS, I'm stealing it.
 
No fucking way, have you read Kevin's tweets? Kevin is German, and he's mentally ill. He sounds like a fucking unhinged borderline violent German mental patient. He doesn't sound anything like Liz, and there's no way he would've written this.

I honestly haven't looked into him too much, I just know he's a brony Dong Gone orbiter who has been on the backend of a lot of this DKF arc. My point was more so that there is prep work underway for a post-Sinseer EKF campaign.

Didn't seem to matter much if it's lockjaw or one of his dingleberries IMO. But you're right, the github ties it all back to the actual crimes. They're just hiding behind.... wait for it .... stochastic terrorism!!
 
More threads such as this please. Threads like this are way more valuable than making another sock to troll John:

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Source: https://twitter.com/AutismInternet/status/1587050290167029761

Guess who shows up (he has been tweeting at everyone who's ever tweeted anything in support of KF):

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"your stupid freedom of speech"... I guess when you're a brain-dead conformist who has never expressed any opinion that wasn't in line with the accepted mainstream, speech does seem kinda stupid and superfluous, something you probably could do without because everyone else is already doing the thinking and talking for you. For those of us who think our own thoughts, we greatly value our ability to express them.

OK, let's break this down:

- hatred and discrimination

Protected speech in the US.

- doxing and swatting victims

No evidence whatsoever linking any of these back to KF or KFers. This is all hearsay of hearsay being turned into a smear-campaign backed by agenda driven journalists who want to be gatekeepers on the internet.

- hosting child porn

Naia - who joined and then broke with #DropKiwiFarms because it was a bad faith campaign - openly stated on Twatter that #DropKiwiFarms falsely reported KF for CP and that all of these abuse complaints were made in bad faith.

- leaked transgender nudes

This is a reference to Laurelai Bailey's and Keffals' ugly pictures from their respective t-porn website where they were openly whoring themselves. Again, these were not "leaked", it was Laurelai and Keffals who made them public to promote their services as out and proud sex workers. I guess they're no longer out and proud about this line of work. Why are you shaming sex workers, huh? Are you claiming it's shameful work?

- hosting copyright content

Suck my Fair Use Clause.

- running the forum without a license

When you are stealiiiiiinggg...

Geez, so much for "be gay do crimes"...🙄 I am running pirated software right now, Gab. Does that make you angry, that I refuse to make Microsoft and Google rich? Everything on my computer, from the OS, to this browser, all of it, is 100% pirated. All the trannie porn on my computer is also pirated cos fuck all you sex worker trannies. I will break into a house, steal everything and then steal the house itself. I will buy nothing from anyone ever. If the internet is broken anyway, let's bankrupt it.
 
More threads such as this please. Threads like this are way more valuable than making another sock to troll John:

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Source: https://twitter.com/AutismInternet/status/1587050290167029761

Guess who shows up (he has been tweeting at everyone who's ever tweeted anything in support of KF):

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"your stupid freedom of speech"... I guess when you're a brain-dead conformist who has never expressed any opinion that wasn't in line with the accepted mainstream, speech does seem kinda stupid and superfluous, something you probably could do without because everyone else is already doing the thinking and talking for you. For those of us who think our own thoughts, we greatly value our ability to express them.

OK, let's break this down:



Protected speech in the US.



No evidence whatsoever linking any of these back to KF or KFers. This is all hearsay of hearsay being turned into a smear-campaign backed by agenda driven journalists who want to be gatekeepers on the internet.



Naia - who joined and then broke with #DropKiwiFarms because it was a bad faith campaign - openly stated on Twatter that #DropKiwiFarms falsely reported KF for CP and that all of these abuse complaints were made in bad faith.



This is a reference to Laurelai Bailey's and Keffals' ugly pictures from their respective t-porn website where they were openly whoring themselves. Again, these were not "leaked", it was Laurelai and Keffals who made them public to promote their services as out and proud sex workers. I guess they're no longer out and proud about this line of work. Why are you shaming sex workers, huh? Are you claiming it's shameful work?



Suck my Fair Use Clause.



When you are stealiiiiiinggg...

Geez, so much for "be gay do crimes"...🙄 I am running pirated software right now, Gab. Does that make you angry, that I refuse to make Microsoft and Google rich? Everything on my computer, from the OS, to this browser, all of it, is 100% pirated. All the trannie porn on my computer is also pirated cos fuck all you sex worker trannies. I will break into a house, steal everything and then steal the house itself. I will buy nothing from anyone ever. If the internet is broken anyway, let's bankrupt it.
For being ACAB and down to break laws, these troons sure do love appealing to government agencies and using the police when their fee fees get hurt.
 
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