US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Meat Target]

I find it ironic that Joepedo said Americans do not settle their differences with violence because that is how the issue of slavery was eventually settled. It started with the Harper's Ferry raid and Nat Turner's slave rebellion before concluding with a civil war.

Heinlein had some thoughts on that:

You'd think this rationalization alone would make them wonder "Why are the Republicans so insanely competent that they can repeatedly time economic collapses for maximum political gain, but my party just shrugs their shoulders when it comes to fixing them?"

When Trump was in office, they oscillated between "Trump is a bumbling retard" and "Trump is an all-powerful supervillain".

I could never shake the thought, "if Trump is so incompetent, then how do you keep losing to him?"

 

[The Nothingness]

Timely, right after Joepedo told all the crazies if republicans win democracy dies in darkness or something gay:

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Hopefully this was not politically related. But if it is, this is twice now Republicans have been attacked shortly after Biden made a divisive speech. Notice there was little coverage of the 18-year-old who was run down in North Dakota.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I find it ironic that Joepedo said Americans do not settle their differences with violence because that is how the issue of slavery was eventually settled. It started with the Harper's Ferry raid and Nat Turner's slave rebellion before concluding with a civil war.

Revolutionary War. Well known debate panel with King George.
War of 1812. Discussion, words not violence, with the Leafs over whether or not Brits are people. (THey aren't)
The Indian Question: Native Americans peacefully decided to live in absolute shit holes.
World War I: We said please, everyone went home.
World War 2: OH SAY CAN YOU SEE, BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGHT!

Yeah, Sniffy Joe, we've never solved anything with violence.

The part of me that went to the VA and sat next to a woman missing a leg and an arm totally fucking agrees with you, you child sniffing retard.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The only reason Oregon didn't become the "Bleeding Kansas" in the past couple of years was because other than a few glow-ops and some retard-tier Proud Boys, was that any right winger with a brain could step inside Multomah County and realize the lefties were better at destroying themselves left to their own devices than by openly fighting them, and antifa realized they had zero taste for violence if they stepped out of Portland or Eugene and didn't have public authorities to stop random bikers from kicking their teeth in.

Which bespeaks why a new Civil War will be much shorter than the previous one. Both of them are based on cultural differences by geographic region, but the previous one was North versus South, whereas the upcoming one is city versus country, and as the quote goes, though I can't remember who said it: "The city is intimately connected to the countryside by its stomach."

Any thoughts on how Measure 114 could affect the state, if it passes.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

Any thoughts on how Measure 114 could affect the state, if it passes.

I don't actually live in Oregon, I just have a whole bunch of extended family living there in the city, exurbs and countryside, and it's always struck me how the state is something of a microcosm of the United States that makes it a very good barometer for the ongoing kulturekampf. It has everything from radical anarchists to right wing separatists and everything in between within its borders (and within my own extended family for that matter). I'll ask around, but I do note that there are elements of the left who are stridently anti-gun control, though they don't vote much since they're anarchists or revolutionary communist LARPers. The only people for gun control is the establishment left, and even then it's starting to get shaky due to how much shit is falling apart in the urban areas they live.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Hopefully this was not politically related. But if it is, this is twice now Republicans have been attacked shortly after Biden made a divisive speech. Notice there was little coverage of the 18-year-old who was run down in North Dakota.

There was that Desantis guy down in South FL too

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

The GOP really needs to put McConnell out to pasture. Mitch the Bitch is the one who's been screwing with Alaska, because he's afraid he won't have his cushy dealmaker position much longer if too many Republican insurgents get elected to the Senate.

Yes, Mitch, thank you for keeping that psycho fuck Garland off SCOTUS, but I think it's time for you to trot off into the sunset before we forget.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

I wonder if this much cognitive dissonance causes physical pain. You'd think it would at some point.

It does, look at all the 20somethings complaining of chronic pains beyond what a 50 year old who knows how a dumbbell works complains of. There may be merit to the idea that their positions are quite literally tearing them up.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Interesting thread about PA early voting, but don't say the numbers out now for the love of God, it gives Philadelphia the information needed to crank the printer or pay the crackheads outside to sign a ballot. And the GOP still has the power of day-of voting on top of this.

 

[Meat Target]

Any thoughts on how Measure 114 could affect the state, if it passes.

Hopefully, it'll get the eastern counties to pop smoke and join Idaho.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

@Gehenna do you still believe a red wave is possible? From what I'm seeing it's looking like the fix is in. They've basically been telling us what they plan to do these last few days (take days to count votes, burst water pipes, etc).

I'm just preparing myself mentally for a permanent democrat federal government at this point

Okay, I'll humor the idea since I live in California and thus, know what life under one party is like. America turns into California where every major city is run like SF or LA. Those cities are Homeless hives while the rich live in $4000 a month apartments. Any employee is one who lives in the suburbs while gas prices effectively tax them into NEETery. Welfare spending goes through the roof to keep the plebs from considering revolution, but popular mandate via COVID justification turns those NEETS into squatters with no obligation to pay rent, thus increasing the housing crisis even more. More conservative states, like San Bernardino County, consider succession all on its own because they aren't getting enough gibs from the government.

Assuming no CIVIL WAR! of course. America could go through a Soviet Union collapse where Californians go Slava California! firing AWB-compliant Javelins at Arizonan tanks.

 

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Heinlein had some thoughts on that:

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When Trump was in office, they oscillated between "Trump is a bumbling retard" and "Trump is an all-powerful supervillain".

I could never shake the thought, "if Trump is so incompetent, then how do you keep losing to him?"

"If Trump is so bad, why do you have to keep lying about what he did?" sets the #resist! types off like nothing else.

 

[Meat Target]

Not Gehenna but any idea of a major 2020-esque fix happening should be tempered. Fraud only happens on the margins, it cannot overcome sizable vote shares and relies heavily on people eager and willing to participate, whether through ballot counting/curing or filling out the multiple mail-in ballots they received. 2020 came down to four deep blue districts, all with mass mail in ballots, all with activists eager to see Trump gone no matter the cost (remember all those Georgia ballots only voting for Biden and no one else?) and all coincidentally with problems around ballot legitimacy.

The main difference this time is the lack of mail in votes and depressed enthusiasm. Dem turnout is horrendous for early voting right now - the one place they need to run the margins up - and in those states where fraud could determine the outcome you have tightened election laws (Georgia), court victories (Pennsylvania), or vigilant Republicans itching for a showdown (Arizona). This isn't to say fraud won't happen, but Virginia and both the Arizona and Pennsylvania primaries are enough evidence to show any attempt is going to encounter serious roadblocks this time around. And personally I'd call any fortification of say Michigan or New York a win - if the Dems have to rig those races to maintain control they're screwed going forward.

Dems also had a lot more going for them in 2020. They can only successfully cheat if they have some amount of enthusiasm and plausible deniability.

I'm not seeing the energy they had in 2020. They seem resigned to the fact that they've lost the plot, given that every day they publish a new article coping and seething about how they've been outfoxed by the "Right-Wing Outrage Machine", and that the peasants have betrayed them by committing wrongvote.

When they think the fix is in, they get cocky. I've never seen Dems doom this hard before an election. In light of that, 2020 shenanigans, such as "100,000 ballots, all for D's, abracadabra into existence at 4 am" is going to raise even more alarm bells.

Pic related is the only positive thing I've seen from them in weeks. That's the kind of 11th-hour copium we were seeing from R's in 2020.



I remain cautiously optimistic. I could be wrong, but the Dems' fortunes are night-and-day from what they were 2 years ago.

 

[Matt Damon]

America could go through a Soviet Union collapse where Californians go Slava California! firing AWB-compliant Javelins at Arizonan tanks.

I would be at the recruiting center at dawn tomorrow if they were offering the chance to go full Sherman on southern California.

 

[CapricornusRex]

I would be at the recruiting center at dawn tomorrow if they were offering the chance to go full Sherman on southern California.

Southern? That still leaves the silicon hives of SF and SJ. Are we starting with the south then marching north?

 

[mold]

The only reason Oregon didn't become the "Bleeding Kansas" in the past couple of years was because other than a few glow-ops and some retard-tier Proud Boys, was that any right winger with a brain could step inside Multomah County and realize the lefties were better at destroying themselves left to their own devices than by openly fighting them, and antifa realized they had zero taste for violence if they stepped out of Portland or Eugene and didn't have public authorities to stop random bikers from kicking their teeth in.

Which bespeaks why a new Civil War will be much shorter than the previous one. Both of them are based on cultural differences by geographic region, but the previous one was North versus South, whereas the upcoming one is city versus country, and as the quote goes, though I can't remember who said it: "The city is intimately connected to the countryside by its stomach."

ok but none of those people are running for office

almost every election in OR is uncontested

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

ok but none of those people are running for office

almost every election in OR is uncontested

Tell everyone why.

 

[mold]

Any thoughts on how Measure 114 could affect the state, if it passes.

it's against the state constitution; OR state constitution is even more protective of the right to bear arms than the US constitution. so it will be challenged on those grounds. whether the people behind it are so retarded they don't know this or are aware of it and want to challenge a state constitution for their own nefarious reasons is an open question. OR has some unsavory history that makes good anti-states' rights propaganda.

 

[DavidS877]

Any thoughts on how Measure 114 could affect the state, if it passes.

Mostly lawsuits. The main part of it makes Police have to approve purchases which was just basically outlawed by the supreme court. So that would be sued pretty much day 1. The other half is a magazine ban, of which there are already some making it through the courts, so this one would obviously join those.

If it passes and is held up then we're just fucked.

 

[mold]

If it passes and is held up then we're just fucked.

it might pass but it won't be upheld. we are, however, just fucked, because rural PNW people are absolutely, under no circumstances going to disarm themselves. This isn't Canada and isn't Australia. People here will not voluntarily give up their guns. They will give up considering themselves lawabiding citizens of a nation governed by laws (they barely do already). And when that happens we are well and truly fucked.