US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[The Last Stand]

Am hoping for a red wave, and this does seem to be a thing. But it will be in spite of Trump not because of him.
I understand he started certain momentums. But that momentum has stalled. Hard.
Edit: love the dumb ratings from edgelords. Never canvassed a block in their lives.

Vote Red to spite Trump, a Red candidate? A prominent Red candidate on top of it. That doesn't make sense.

I'm not too pleased about Trump being on a pedestal for a political movement either. But your reasoning doesn't make sense.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Vote Red to spite Trump, a Red candidate? A prominent Red candidate on top of it. That doesn't make sense.

I'm not too pleased about Trump being on a pedestal for a political movement either. But your reasoning doesn't make sense.

I said a red victory would be in spite of Trump. This is a figure of speech. You should Google it.

 

[Random Internet Person]

MTG did pledge iirc to stop funding to Ukraine and send GIs from Europe to the Southern Border, though I believe the Republicans will continue business as usual after the midterms, fuck up their mandate like the conservatives in the UK. And then we hopefully get massive change from the grassroots of a different kind.

Honestly, I think all the issues have been 1. Sects in the GOP and 2. Democrat opposition as they feel they need to stop a great evil known as MAGA. Both of those obstacles will need to be dealt with before MTG and company can go full on /pol/ policies they campaign on.

Buchanan directly caused the Civil War through a combination of ineptitude and outright neglect. Biden's got a long ways to go. He could always drop dead of natural causes like William Henry Harrison did, but even then he's way past a mere 31 days into his presidency. He's less terrible and just so non-existent people will have no idea who he was twenty years from now.

Except the left is working REALLY DAMN HARD to make sure you remember him as "the one who vanquished Donald Trump".

 

[The Last Stand]

I said a red victory would be in spite of Trump. This is a figure of speech. You should Google it.

Your wording is slightly confusing.

That said, I agree with your hypnosis. People are voting Red in droves because voting Blue since 2020 has caused a slew of problems for Americans.

 

[mandatorylurk]

In spite of Trump? Without Trump you have Dan Crenshaw faggots who just talk but never do anything because they want to be liked, who think some shitty zing on twitter counts for something more than actually doing something about immigration or regulation.

Trump wants to be liked which is his flaw, but he still does what he says he's going to do, that's one more than what the GOPe has done in 20 years. Stop living in this Black Rifle Coffee 2004 mindset.

 

[Paul Pelosi's Boyfriend]

Canvassing is overrated. I'd need to knock on thousands of doors to have the same effect as shitposting on the interwebz

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

All chants are dumb. I used to make fun of liberals for using the same three shitty chants with minor variations. Then I started going to political events. It's horrible. The right has 3 as well and they're even worse.

I don't love it but I accept it as a thing that happens (It helps that I sometimes dip my toe into Professional Wrestling) but holy shit these people need to work on their cadence because half the crowd is off the beat.

In spite of Trump? Without Trump you have Dan Crenshaw faggots who just talk but never do anything because they want to be liked,

Even worse we now have people like that GlowNigger that is running in Utah as an independent but getting all of his funding from the Democrats. Faggot McMuffin or something.

 

[The Last Stand]

In spite of Trump? Without Trump you have Dan Crenshaw faggots who just talk but never do anything because they want to be liked, who think some shitty zing on twitter counts for something more than actually doing something about immigration or regulation.

Trump wants to be liked which is his flaw, but he still does what he says he's going to do, that's one more than what the GOPe has done in 20 years. Stop living in this Black Rifle Coffee 2004 mindset.

Unpopular opinion, but it's quite dangerous that our political establishment has put so much focus on Trump. MAGA is 100% centered around Trump, for better or worse. Kiwi Farms makes the joke that Obama is the figurehead of the DNC, but aren't acknowledging that the same is applying for Trump.

No one man should be the basis of any political movement. What happens when he dies? Then what?

 

[Snekposter]

Except the left is working REALLY DAMN HARD to make sure you remember him as "the one who vanquished Donald Trump".

Yeah, but there's no evidence they're succeeding, now is there? For a man who was supposedly vanquished he's got more presence and more popularity than the man who dethroned him.

 

[Gehenna]

I just remembered to ask this apropos of nothing, but @Gehenna how does the weirdness around the paul pelosi shenanigans affect anything, if at all?

They don't. The left tries to frame it as an attack on Democracy, the right conspiracy crafts for it, and the middle just thinks it smells fishy and dismisses it.

 

[Puff]

Unpopular opinion, but it's quite dangerous that our political establishment has put so much focus on Trump. MAGA is 100% centered around Trump, for better or worse. Kiwi Farms makes the joke that Obama is the figurehead of the DNC, but aren't acknowledging that the same is applying for Trump.

No one man should be the basis of any political movement. What happens when he dies? Then what?

The main difference is that the establishment within the party hates the man and does NOT want him to be the spiritual head of the party.
There's an issue of young talent in both parties though.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

"Contact 10 people and ask them if they are happy with the direction of this country...and if they say yes take their keys away they shouldn't be driving in that condition"

 

[Gehenna]

The main difference is that the establishment within the party hates the man and does NOT want him to be the spiritual head of the party.
There's an issue of young talent in both parties though.

Actually no for the Republicans. They just work different to the Democrats. The Republicans enforce a fairly strict 'promotion' practice where someone works their way up the ranks into higher office. This keeps their younger members out of the light until they work their way up to a more public position. This has both upsides and downsides but is why you don't see many fresh faces for the Republicans and is a good part of why they have an association with all their members being older.

 

[Sithis]

No one man should be the basis of any political movement. What happens when he dies? Then what?

Well optimally by then he'll have prepped DeSantis or someone else competent and accustomed the MAGA crowd to them as much as they are to himself.



Just for meme value maybe we'll see Trump/DeSantis, then DeSantis/Lake, then some day down the line when the gathering dark is once more on our horizon, Barron comes forth and ascends like a future JFK

 

[LurkTrawl]

They don't. The left tries to frame it as an attack on Democracy, the right conspiracy crafts for it, and the middle just thinks it smells fishy and dismisses it.

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact it straight-up sounds like clickbait? Because the way it keeps unfolding I get the feeling it's going to get the Hunter laptop effect where the story is so ridiculous that people just brush it off due to sheer absurdity.

The main difference is that the establishment within the party hates the man and does NOT want him to be the spiritual head of the party.
There's an issue of young talent in both parties though.

Well there's also the fact that Trump isn't really in and of himself the same as the people who vote for him. Really, the guy's gotten lucky on who exactly he's up against and the circumstances he's running under twice now. But Trump being a political outsider and blurting out all the shit you're not supposed to say in a political debate kicked off a wave of people no longer wanting the fake, plastic politicians of old. Which sort of spiraled into what we have today from the establishment reaction to his 2016 election victory, which led into all the shit that led into COVID, then the COVID response and bullshit from that, on top of the Biden presidency.

Basically, there's a shitload of people who want someone who isn't part of the establishment, because the establishment has poured acid on every column of society it's leaned on starting with the press. Now they're trying to lean on the fucking oil industry of all things and are rightly getting told to fuck off for once. Trump's not the ship, he's the figurehead and one that can be replaced I'd think if he were to for whatever reason just jump in bed with the WEF by the people who are tired of this shit.

The reason why he's got so much media focus is because, I think, the hope is if he's pictured as the leader of a movement rather than the jackass who pushed the snowball down the hill, and he can be dealt with, that populism will die back down and it'll be back to business as usual. But with what's going on it seems clear that the efforts to do so haven't worked.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Unpopular opinion, but it's quite dangerous that our political establishment has put so much focus on Trump. MAGA is 100% centered around Trump, for better or worse. Kiwi Farms makes the joke that Obama is the figurehead of the DNC, but aren't acknowledging that the same is applying for Trump.

No one man should be the basis of any political movement. What happens when he dies? Then what?

MAGA is around Trump because until there can be a greater presence outside of MTG, Gaetz, and maybe Rand Paul, there are too many idiots thinking they can do MAGA without the MAGA. We don't want someone who talks tough but then does nothing, we saw that with the Tea Party. And this is why Kari Lake is raising a lot of eyebrows with how smoothly she fights for the average Arizonan and isn't some focus group tested person who says all the right things. Oh she voted for Obummer, what a disqualification, even though she says she did so because she hates war and believed his lies about pulling out of places.

Paul Ryan exemplified this tough talk. He was basically Desantis in 2010, this smart, young guy who was the brains of the House GOP and second or third in command, who wrote the big fancy budget proposal that was going to fix America in 15 years with all those entitlement cuts. But then we saw all that talk was nothing, he wrote something he knew Obummer would never sign, let Joepedo shit all over him in the 2012 VP debate and did nothing but a bad budget deal where Obummer got all he wanted with the government shutting down and the GOP caving with concessions for military spending 10 years from then (which never happens). And then when Paul Ryan was given the Speaker of the House role when crybaby John Boehner retired, he used it as a prop for what he thought would be a lame duck assembly until Hillary ushered in liberal utopia in the legislative and executive. But then Trump won in 2016, and Ryan actively fought against real GOP changes except for tax cuts for corporations.

I bring him up a lot because it's another example, Chip Roy is the guy who thinks he's the toughest conservative ever, but then No True Scotsman everything that just coincides with supporting the people who are the most swampy, even though they look like Central Casting republicans who say they're tough and will do all these great things to fight for you. Maybe. One day.

All because Trump was the icky outsider who was too blunt and too mean. This is why if Desantis is stupid enough to fight Trump for the nomination because of the whispers of DC strategists, even when he owes his success to Trump, and think the MAGA people will forgive that and both vote for Desantis or support the GOP after that, you're looking at President Harris nominating 3 Supreme Court Justices that the McConnell led GOP will just rubber stamp because they want to get back to business as normal in DC. You should be thanking them, you fucking peasant, live in your pod.

 

[The Last Stand]

Basically, there's a shitload of people who want someone who isn't part of the establishment, because the establishment has poured acid on every column of society it's leaned on starting with the press. Now they're trying to lean on the fucking oil industry of all things and are rightly getting told to fuck off for once.

Don't forget the college debt loaners. Which is their doing from years of indoctrination and education abuse.

 

[Puff]

Actually no for the Republicans. They just work different to the Democrats. The Republicans enforce a fairly strict 'promotion' practice where someone works their way up the ranks into higher office. This keeps their younger members out of the light until they work their way up to a more public position. This has both upsides and downsides but is why you don't see many fresh faces for the Republicans and is a good part of why they have an association with all their members being older.

I hadn't really thought of that, but it's about right.... Several up-and-comers being groomed for national office I know personally are shitbags who spent a year interning in DC and went liberal. I'm not around the middle ranks much though.
This is incidental to people I know. If I were running for office I would not be on the farms.... or at least wouldn't talk about it.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

In this thread are people too young to remember Ross Perot.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Unpopular opinion, but it's quite dangerous that our political establishment has put so much focus on Trump. MAGA is 100% centered around Trump, for better or worse. Kiwi Farms makes the joke that Obama is the figurehead of the DNC, but aren't acknowledging that the same is applying for Trump.

No one man should be the basis of any political movement. What happens when he dies? Then what?

The way I see it, Trump is rewriting the republican platform. So naturally people are gathering around him as the role model of what a republican politician should be. We are seeing GOP politicians try to adapt to Trumps style with some success and failure. DeSantis being the leading example of a MAGA politician and more are following. Once more MAGA politicians get established and it becomes the new republican status que, then Trump will be less important for the movement.