Keffals / Clara Sorrenti / Lucas John Roberts / Queen Clara the Fart Dominatrix / SorrentiThott - Twitter / Twitch slacktivist. Obsessed with being famous. Operator of the Catboy Ranch. Canadian T-Girl porn star and independent Fart Fetish / Findom Dominatrix. Personally sponsored sending Chinese HRT from Brazil to children without parental consent.

[coomer mcgee]

In his Patreon stream, Lucas stated that his Twitter will remain active during his time offline. It will be managed by the Keffals ""Team"" and tweets will be sent from TweetDeck. Keffals himself won't author any tweets during this time presumably as he is on break.

But wait... what's this? (top right corner, from the patreon stream)

Imagine third-person tweeting updates about yourself when you're supposed to be on your "internet hiatus" lmfao

 

[Markass the Worst]

I don't even know who Destiny is. Apparently some guy who plays video games and gives hot takes for internet donations.

Destiny is a cuck with his own thread here and the entire reason Keffals got a thread in the first place. Keffals got his twitch banned, took credit for it and gloated about it before crying victim when people shat on him for acting like a faggot. Since then Keffals went full Internet jihad on taking us down but now the tide is turning against him in no small part due to Destiny's manifesto which sources from this very website. Of course Keffals and all his troon friends are branding Destiny as some sort of alt right neo nazi transphobe for this. You can guess why Destiny is suing him now.

 

[Simon]

In his Patreon stream, Lucas stated that his Twitter will remain active during his time offline. It will be managed by the Keffals ""Team"" and tweets will be sent from TweetDeck. Keffals himself won't author any tweets during this time presumably as he is on break.

But wait... what's this? (top right corner, from the patreon stream)
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Imagine third-person tweeting updates about yourself when you're supposed to be on your "internet hiatus" lmfao

At this point, Keffals' team is just him and his three moobs. The Donger isn't, that Ellen troon isn't any longer, the DKF loser is too stupid to be on anyone's team. Keffals is all alone, now. Sad.

 

[MacMasonry]

• One or More Online Posters - Individuals that can be identified for allegedly harassing them. I figure someone will point out how this would also be pretty far-fetched and rather unlikely, but I also wouldn't be surprised for an attempt to drum up a bit of publicity with some bullshit headline like, "Keffals unmasks the online trolls/haters behind vicious cyber attacks!"
  • It would essentially be their last ditch effort to use the funds for actual legal purposes as intended, though as they have to go through discovery, I would assume that it's not as clear-cut as they all may think.

I heard this worked really well for Pat Tomlinson. If Keffals ever needs any advice, I'm sure Pat would be glad to help.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Question from somebody who's entire knowledge of the American legal system is Better Call Saul, what is the strongest possible case that Keffals could bring against Josh/the Farms overall, and do we have reason to be worried that he'd be able to win and finally, actually shut this place down? Or at least waste so much of Josh's time and money that it may as well be shut down?

 

[Something Awful]

Step 1: Bathe with soap, you fucking pig. I've yet to see a picture of Lucas that doesn't reek of grease and failure.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

@Shotgun Badger
He has no case. If there was even one remotely possible he would've probably used that legal fund of his to actually go after Null. If there was any possible case against what goes on here at the Farms I'm pretty sure Greer's lawsuit or one of Melinda Scott's umpteen lawsuits would've actually went through.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Question from somebody who's entire knowledge of the American legal system is Better Call Saul, what is the strongest possible case that Keffals could bring against Josh/the Farms overall, and do we have reason to be worried that he'd be able to win and finally, actually shut this place down? Or at least waste so much of Josh's time and money that it may as well be shut down?

To hire counsel requires money.
Lucas has no money.
The Farms will never be shut down through legal avenues because nothing illegal is posted here.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

@Shotgun Badger
He has no case. If there was even one remotely possible he would've probably used that legal fund of his to actually go after Null. If there was any possible case against what goes on here at the Farms I'm pretty sure Greer's lawsuit or one of Melinda Scott's umpteen lawsuits would've actually went through.

I mean that's what went through my mind before posting, I know that if it was straightforward one of the farms's legion of enemies would have already had this place shut down and Josh executed for misgendering at some point over the last decade. Especially considering this is just some site made by just some guy who can't exactly launch his crack legal team at oncoming threats, it must actually be really, really hard to make a case against it if nobody's managed to do it so far, so what can Keffals realistically bring to bear?

 

[Markass the Worst]

Question from somebody who's entire knowledge of the American legal system is Better Call Saul, what is the strongest possible case that Keffals could bring against Josh/the Farms overall, and do we have reason to be worried that he'd be able to win and finally, actually shut this place down? Or at least waste so much of Josh's time and money that it may as well be shut down?

To put it simply, he better call Saul if he wants more than a snowball's chance in hell of a successful case. And I doubt even Saul could come up with something that would work.

 

[Angry Nipple]

oh keffals was supposed to sue the police allegedly for 'misgendering' and shit like that. destiny looking into suing keffals because they lie constantly and defame people 24\7 basically.

Yeah, I was going to ask about this. Wasn’t this fucker actually supposed to use the gfm money to sue the Mounties or some shit? Incredible how that just disappeared from everyone’s minds.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Yeah, I was going to ask about this. Wasn’t this fucker actually supposed to use the gfm money to sue the Mounties or some shit? Incredible how that just disappeared from everyone’s minds.

The thing is, if he wants to have any kind of ongoing internet career and presence in the future he has to sue somebody. Like my understanding is that his fundraiser was built on the understanding that a large part of the money was going to go towards legal fees, and for months now people have noticed that he hasn't been doing anything with it other than go on a trip to Europe. He can't expect to keep any kind of audience or be seen as anything other than a lying con-artist (moreso at least) if he doesn't use some of the money in the way he said he was going to, even if its on a suit that everybody knows will be laughed out of court in half a working day.

 

[Garbage Can]

Defamation suits almost never go anywhere because the people filing the suit, the petitioners, have no money and are hoping for a "shut up and go away" settlement from the respondent that also covers the petitioners legal fees. The respondents usually see this as a "fee" to get their name out of the news cycle. i.e. Cost of Business. These "fees" are often much less than $100,000. They are also called "nuisance settlements."

It's suspected for example that Nick Sandmann's settlement from CNN was likely about $50,000 (he was the kid falsely accused of "intimidating" a native american war veteran who was anything but). The reason CNN settled so low is because they knew they could because Nick also knew he had no case (the bar for defamation is quite high, even for a news org) and just wanted something. It was basically apology money.

When a respondent doesn't want to play ball for whatever reason (name not in news cycle i.e. don't care, or are too offended to settle) then the petitioner usually gives up when they can do so with minimum harm to their reputation (i.e. when they are out of the news cycle as well). This was the case with a few anonymous Jane Does who sued Trump and also the case with that one woman who sued Bob Dylan. In both cases the suits were pulled by the filers voluntarily months after filing after they had fallen out of the news cycle.

Fully pursuing a defamation suit is expensive and drastic and is usually a crusade for justice and truth. As we saw with the Depp case. He did it while knowing all his shit would be put on blast, but for him it was a justice crusade to make sure people understood that Heard was anything but a victim. The judgement, even though it was millions, was unlikely to have fully covered all of Depp's related real-life costs from her lies. And that's assuming he is even able to collect the total amount. Civil liability insurance like what Heard was depending on (she's cash poor) only covers your costs if you aren't found to have caused the harm deliberately (or up to a certain out-of-court settlement amount), not if you lose (because why should the insurance company bear the cost of you deliberately being a malicious asshole - if you lose a defamation case, one of the things the petitioner had to prove to the jury is that it was deliberate and malicious, and I can't think of any insurance policy that covers deliberately being a malicious asshole). As another poster pointed out insurance policies can be different for different people or businesses and negotiated on a case-by-case basis, but what I've described is the pretty generic kind that most people would easily pay for. Custom policies that cover a broader range of liability and bad acts are going to have custom premiums if you catch my drift...

This is why defamation suits are almost always just a threat or just a money-grab. Very few people have the patience of Depp (it took him years to build his case) or the willingness to potentially lose millions of dollars on legal fees should they lose the case.

 

[Garbage Can]

The thing is, if he wants to have any kind of ongoing internet career and presence in the future he has to sue somebody. Like my understanding is that his fundraiser was built on the understanding that a large part of the money was going to go towards legal fees, and for months now people have noticed that he hasn't been doing anything with it other than go on a trip to Europe. He can't expect to keep any kind of audience or be seen as anything other than a lying con-artist (moreso at least) if he doesn't use some of the money in the way he said he was going to, even if its on a suit that everybody knows will be laughed out of court in half a working day.

The thing about $100,000 is that it barely covers starting a civil defamation lawsuit. If you even make it to discovery or depositions, most of it will be used up by then, so it might cover a few hours of that if you're lucky and the case is super simple. At which point you're left begging for more money from your donors. Most of whom will have ghosted you by that point as details of the case come out and they realize you are a grifter.

They are expensive.

Lucas likely discovered this very early on by merely e-mailing or calling an attorney's receptionist but of course did not pass the information on to his equally ignorant sycophants. Some googling about discovery and depositions would have revealed to him that it would be necessary to disclose IMMENSE amounts of his personal information (including finances and family history and other info) and even scarier for him, personal communications - all right into the public record searchable by anyone including farmers. Imagine Discord, Google and Twitter (and other platforms) getting information hold court orders on all your DMs and e-mails. So that even if you delete them they are kept for legal compliance (they can do that even without a court order - your stuff is never truly deleted unless the actual owner of the storage devices and databases decides to do a purge of data that has been marked deleted). That consideration probably shut Lucas down faster than the cost considerations did. Reputation management is his biggest concern, although he does it very badly due to being one of the shittiest and most inconsistent liars I have ever seen.

 

[Nuns with guns]

He only got that skirt because it kinda looks like a "schoolgirl outfit" skirt and troons are only interested in fetishized femininity, not real womanhood.

This is most likely the case. He's not checking any fashion blogs or even doing pinterest inspos as many women do, he's just browsing “anime clothes” on Amazon. This skirt was likely picked up there after he purchased sex toys and other tranny shit. All their Amazon suggestions look the same, the only references they get are Chinese pictures from the manufacturer and blurry tranny selfies from discord and twitter.

 

[AnOminous]

Civil liability insurance like what Heard was depending on (she's cash poor) only covers your costs if you WIN (or up to a certain out-of-court settlement amount), not if you lose (because why should the insurance company bear the cost of you deliberately being a malicious asshole).

It's actually totally the opposite of that usually. Why would you even bother having insurance if it didn't cover you if you lost? However, there are usually escape hatches for the insurance company. Generally if you deliberately caused the harm you're accused of, it doesn't cover it.

But it generally does cover negligence, because that's the whole point of it.

You can also negotiate whatever terms you want, so news organizations might have blanket coverage, but if they actually do lose a case, they can expect their rates to go up or to be canceled outright.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

@Shotgun Badger Sorry I can't properly quote you because Null hates me for being so good looking.

There is nothing he could actually bring against Null and the Farms. However, there are plenty of retards on twitter and discord who believe that being laughed at because they cut their dick off is a crime and in other parts of the world it is an arrestable offense. However, we here in the US the First Amendment of the Constitution which means I can call any troon a troon and cannot face any consequences from the government. Now that troon can try to sue me, you can sue for any reason in the states, but that troon would have to make a defamation claim and show damages. The problem is the to get a defamation case through that troon has to show that what I said is a lie and that I know that it is a lie. In Luke's case, there are no damages that he can actually show and every goddamned thing that he's upset about we know because he said it and we have the archives to prove it. There is no lie. This will not stop him from banging a drum and taking money from drugged up trannies who don't know better.

 

[Garbage Can]

Generally if you deliberately caused the harm you're accused of, it doesn't cover it.

This is what I was referring to specifically, I'll clarify my post. With a defamation case, if you're a defendant and you lose, then that generally means the jury believed you deliberately caused the harm (because proving that is one of the main prongs of proving defamation), which will invalidate your insurance claim, which is what happened to Heard. Apparently she didn't pony out the cash for the special person insurance that lets you get away (financially) with being a deliberately malicious dickshit.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

The legal system is incredibly slow and boring. Destiny is wasting his time and money trying to get blood from a turnip.

 

[AnOminous]

This is what I was referring to specifically, I'll clarify my post. With a defamation case, if you're a defendant and you lose, then that generally means the jury believed you deliberately caused the harm, which will invalidate your insurance claim, which is what happened to Heard.

Only if you're a public figure to the actual malice standard, which implies but doesn't guarantee it will be considered a willful tort for other purposes, such as dischargeability in bankruptcy or your insurance company wriggling out of paying. If they didn't have to prove that, it could be to a negligence standard, which would be covered which is why if you have a homeowner's policy it is nice to have that specific coverage.