Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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Pocket Dragoon said:
Speaking of NASMS.....

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Will be interesting to see what results of this. The problem with such expensive AA systems is that they become a very enticing target themselves.

For example, the cost of one NASAMS battery is $23 million. A single battery can launch six missiles. The cost of seven, or to be sure, eight Lancet or Geran-2 drones? A lot less. See my point? This is immediately becoming very expensive. Same with the IRIS-T. Whole system itself costs €140m, can launch eight missiles, but not cost effective against swarms of cheap small drones.

But hey, as long as the western taxpayer is fronting the bill, can keep burning off billions in aid and accomplishing nothing to win this war.
 
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Will be interesting to see what results of this. The problem with such expensive AA systems is that they become a very enticing target themselves.

For example, the cost of one NASAMS battery is $23 million. A single battery can launch six missiles. The cost of seven, or to be sure, eight Lancet or Geran-2 drones? A lot less. See my point? This is immediately becoming very expensive. Same with the IRIS-T. Whole system itself costs €140m, can launch eight missiles, but not cost effective against swarms of cheap small drones.

But hey, as long as the western taxpayer is fronting the bill, can keep burning off billions in aid and accomplishing nothing to win this war.
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That's the question though isn't it, how much of this stuff is new stuff paid for by tax payers, and how much is pieces of defense infrastructure being stripped away and sent Ukraine to be destroyed? I'm sure a large chunk of the stuff is new, but with how fast stuff gets blown up and needs replacing I'm sure some of this is coming from strategic stockpiles.
 
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berlinetta said:
Is that gay stuff common in the army?
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Where have you been for the past 20 years?
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Badungus Kabungus said:
Will be interesting to see what results of this. The problem with such expensive AA systems is that they become a very enticing target themselves.

For example, the cost of one NASAMS battery is $23 million. A single battery can launch six missiles. The cost of seven, or to be sure, eight Lancet or Geran-2 drones? A lot less. See my point? This is immediately becoming very expensive. Same with the IRIS-T. Whole system itself costs €140m, can launch eight missiles, but not cost effective against swarms of cheap small drones.

But hey, as long as the western taxpayer is fronting the bill, can keep burning off billions in aid and accomplishing nothing to win this war.
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Except the Ukrainians have been building up in-depth AA; their capabilities in November aren't the same as they were back in February, and those NASMS won't be exposed by themselves. They'll be surrounded by other systems, both mechanized & man-portable, along with every AK-toting Ukrainian in the flight path of those drones.

The other trump card Ukraine holds is their access to early-warning from multiple orbiting AWAACS & long-range, ground-based radars. They can see things coming long before it arrives and react accordingly.

In any case, the Ukrainians should park those NASMS next to high-value infrastructure & government installations, along with Gepards & whatever else, which would make them secondary/collateral targets at best.

And considering Russia can't saturate targets with missiles (or even drones) along with their accuracy being shit, taking out a NASMS would be nothing but luck.
 
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berlinetta said:
Is that gay stuff common in the army?
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1. Stuck in a place that's a complete sausage fest with no China around.
2. In addition, you have to eat, sleep, and generally bond with them because if you get deployed yours and their life depends on the performance of each other, so you need to be a cohesive unit.
3. If you actually do get deployed, you're basically constantly in a potential near death situation if you're around the front.
Yeah, the Army is a big recipe to have gay shit happen, even if it's usually just a friends with benefits scenario.
 
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
1. Stuck in a place that's a complete sausage fest with no China around.
2. In addition, you have to eat, sleep, and generally bond with them because if you get deployed yours and their life depends on the performance of each other, so you need to be a cohesive unit.
3. If you actually do get deployed, you're basically constantly in a potential near death situation if you're around the front.
Yeah, the Army is a big recipe to have gay shit happen, even if it's usually just a friends with benefits scenario.
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Can confirm. At least the shenanigans i
though in our squad was only 63% gay (balls never touched) and we did actually have females in my units downrange; though most of them were masculine enough that it'd have been 100% gay to fuck around with one.

Except for our ULLS-G clerk, who was an easy 8 back in garrison. She was immediately boosted to an eleventeen downrange, and had to hit guys with a stick or whatever was handy, just to make them leave her alone at work.

It's in the Marines that they still do things just shy of dedovshchina, contrary to official statements; and bored, rutting jarheads don't exactly care where or how they get theirs, or from what.

And I guess some guys can just totally disassociate, because the only place private enough to go 100% fag were the porta-latrines (or a water buffalo).
 
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Well, well, well.

Putin's currency and economy is collapsing so hard that...


Things are so bad in the world, due to the sanctions wrecking everyone else so hard, the U.S. need to keep doing business in some effort to lessen the self-inflicted blow?

Wait, what?
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
Except the Ukrainians have been building up in-depth AA; their capabilities in November aren't the same as they were back in February, and those NASMS won't be exposed by themselves. They'll be surrounded by other systems, both mechanized & man-portable, along with every AK-toting Ukrainian in the flight path of those drones.

The other trump card Ukraine holds is their access to early-warning from multiple orbiting AWAACS & long-range, ground-based radars. They can see things coming long before it arrives and react accordingly.

In any case, the Ukrainians should park those NASMS next to high-value infrastructure & government installations, along with Gepards & whatever else, which would make them secondary/collateral targets at best.

And considering Russia can't saturate targets with missiles (or even drones) along with their accuracy being shit, taking out a NASMS would be nothing but luck.
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It's simply a numbers game with these systems. Can they cover the immediate area around Zelensky's bunker? Sure. Can the west supply enough of these systems to cover every single substation, factory, water plant, rail station, and bridge? No. They'll do absolutely nothing to change the dynamic of the war, but cost the western taxpayer a few billion more.
 
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Excuse me sir, you dropped this.
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That's obviously a fake post by a VPN fag, can tell from the language. Still, note how the anglo doesn't comprehend how something like that can be a punishment when their own government spends three months of every year celebrating it.

Also, what's going on with the gibs, Europeans? Money running out?
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Badungus Kabungus said:
It's simply a numbers game with these systems. Can they cover the immediate area around Zelensky's bunker? Sure. Can the west supply enough of these systems to cover every single substation, factory, water plant, rail station, and bridge? No.
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With even those few NASMS, they'll have the range to cover multiple substations, bunkers, hydraulic structures, etc. Ukraine can then reposition those short-range systems previously used to protect high-value targets forward, to screen for the interior. And if there's anything left over, it'll go to the front.
Badungus Kabungus said:
They'll do absolutely nothing to change the dynamic of the war, but cost the western taxpayer a few billion more.
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Except all these weapons haven't cost us an extra dime, because almost everything bring sent has already been paid for. But the real cost will come when it's time to replace all the dusty Cold War shit being sent to Ukraine, and Europe starts whining that they don't have enough money to replace those stocks.

Yet something has changed this war in a big way, which is private-sector funding; especially at the unit level. Ukrainians are crowd-funding everything from boots to drones to fucking Strela SAMs & satellite communications.

The amount of money & manpower flowing into Ukraine outside of Western control or oversight is massive, and it'll keep flowing regardless of political will, which global connectivity has made possible. The dynamic of war definitely has changed, but not in the ways expected.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
With even those few NASMS, they'll have the range to cover multiple substations, bunkers, hydraulic structures, etc. Ukraine can then reposition those short-range systems previously used to protect high-value targets forward, to screen for the interior. And if there's anything left over, it'll go to the front.
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Isn't the range just 25km for the short range missiles (same as the Lancet-3 drones) and 50km for the extended range? Ukraine is a big country, it will barely provide any meaningful coverage. And putting anything like that near the front will just designate them as targets for cheap Lancet drones (25km range) or guided artillery rounds (20km range). Sure, they may shoot down 80-90% of the drones or artillery rounds, but the 10% that will make it through are going to make it count. Again, not cost effective. Especially when Russia starts using even cheaper decoy drones.

Pocket Dragoon said:
Except all these weapons haven't cost us an extra dime, because almost everything bring sent has already been paid for. But the real cost will come when it's time to replace all the dusty Cold War shit being sent to Ukraine, and Europe starts whining that they don't have enough money to replace those stocks.
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That is the one thing the US has done right, they got Europe by the balls.

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Yet something has changed this war in a big way, which is private-sector funding; especially at the unit level. Ukrainians are crowd-funding everything from boots to drones to fucking Strela SAMs & satellite communications.

The amount of money & manpower flowing into Ukraine outside of Western control or oversight is massive, and it'll keep flowing regardless of political will, which global connectivity has made possible. The dynamic of war definitely has changed, but not in the ways expected.
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Governments passing on additional costs directly to the taxpayer by means of propaganda is not exactly a novel idea. They just convinced some of their dumber citizens to willingly tax themselves more, and the donations are already dwindling due to rising inflation and energy costs around the world.
 
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