Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

King? Lmao. So Mallory has written some science fiction. We see her branching out of that same, cultural kitsch crap she always writes.

I'll say this, it does feel like the textual equivelant of John Waters' Simpsons character. The guy with the kitsch shop. On the other hand, that dude was into men, not true, honest women like Grace. On the freakish third hand, apparently those two are somehow still "gay" despite still being straight in every concieveable worldview, even gender-woo nonsense, so who the fuck knows.
 
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I finally finished this goddamn thread now that we're back for the second time. I was an old Jezebel/Groupthink/The Hairpin/The Toast commenter and followed Mal until she trooned out and everyone else also got obsessed with trans issues. (Multiple male Jez/GT commenters also trooned out over time, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad)

These websites (especially Jezebel & Groupthink) played not-insignificant roles in socializing millennial women to accept the trans and, specifically, to utterly coddle the male-to-female tran. Circa 2010, DrDonna (a vocal MTF haunting the Jezebel & Gawker comment sections) was regularly taking young women to task for their "transphobic" phrasing (their replies were usually akin to someone innocently posting about women's health concerns without mentioning anything about how deeply it affected transwomen too). It was fascinating to see how quickly he became one of the Queen Bees of the comment section, with a gaggle of gals who became his eager enforcers. Obviously the clique is a common social dynamic among young women, but I always thought it was interesting to watch an actual man assume the role at the top of a female social hierarchy. At the time it only worked bc of the parasocial avatar-based nature of things (nowadays it doesnt matter as much, as most zoomer girls are prepared to apologize for their very existence in the face of a real-life MTF).

PL: DrDonna smacking down young women on their own trash site was the source of my earliest peaking, and the Gawker/Jez writer formerly known as Slut Machine was my inadvertent blackpill on feminism.

We were the hipster generation too, where everything was ironic and performative. This is the essence of postmodernism and late-stage capitalism: everything is artificial, marketable, purchasable. Of course you should have the ability to make your body as you see fit, and you should also have the ability to force everyone to acknowledge that or your fee-fees are hurted. Only the individual matters, not the group.

Absolutely. I propose an additional layer to the irony/cynicism cope of this gen (which really straddles both millennials and gen-x): insecure attachments. On the older side, these are the first generation of kids heavily affected by divorce, and on the younger side you have kids basically tossed to the nascent internet. It's kind of like the trope of the fat kid who is a constant comedian at their own expense. The irony posture was a massive stealth cope, culture-wide, for people who weren't actively parented. I think this then begat the counterdrive towards sincerity & hyperemotionalism that you often see w/ younger millennials & zoomers.

To stay on topic: Joe is still gross & full of himself, and I'd still love to see Mallory write something that felt truly raw & from the gut – not this same old "look at how clever I am" detached preening.
 
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The worst part about the ironyposting trend is they're all so bad at it. They don't have senses of humor and the self-criticism is fake so it always tells you exactly what they really think. It's like how every faggot who whines about 'imposter syndrome" always directs you to stuff they want you to complement them about. I don't think they dread sincerity as much as they fear not having what they already believe affirmed. They're trying to pre-emptively deflect you to praising them. They ignore that they've spent how long poisoning the well with dishonesty in every human interaction, then they're all shocked when this constant dishonesty isn't emotionally rewarding.
 
These websites (especially Jezebel & Groupthink) played not-insignificant roles in socializing millennial women to accept the trans and, specifically, to utterly coddle the male-to-female tran. Circa 2010, DrDonna (a vocal MTF haunting the Jezebel & Gawker comment sections) was regularly taking young women to task for their "transphobic" phrasing (their replies were usually akin to someone innocently posting about women's health concerns without mentioning anything about how deeply it affected transwomen too). It was fascinating to see how quickly he became one of the Queen Bees of the comment section, with a gaggle of gals who became his eager enforcers. Obviously the clique is a common social dynamic among young women, but I always thought it was interesting to watch an actual man assume the role at the top of a female social hierarchy. At the time it only worked bc of the parasocial avatar-based nature of things (nowadays it doesnt matter as much, as most zoomer girls are prepared to apologize for their very existence in the face of a real-life MTF).

PL: DrDonna smacking down young women on their own trash site was the source of my earliest peaking, and the Gawker/Jez writer formerly known as Slut Machine was my inadvertent blackpill on feminism.

Oh my God, you just unlocked some memories for me about that cunt. That's actually when I stopped commenting on Jez/GT. DrDonna is the template for all these wokescolds, the exact sanctimonious tone has replicated like a fucking virus. Riley, a Good Feminist Dude that also was a prolific commentator went full AGP as well.

I think my first peaking there was when a well known GT poster (can't remember her username, but she was Asian) started dating a dude, he trooned out, she decided to stay with him... And proceeded to mooch off of her and brainwash her into doing allll the things to keep the household running because his mental health was soooo terrible. They got married really quickly, and I knew something was horribly wrong with the whole situation but knew I couldn't say anything without being completely excommunicated.

It's fucking creepy how disturbingly similar it was to Mal's trajectory. I hope she's okay, she was a sweet person.

Absolutely. I propose an additional layer to the irony/cynicism cope of this gen (which really straddles both millennials and gen-x): insecure attachments. On the older side, these are the first generation of kids heavily affected by divorce, and on the younger side you have kids basically tossed to the nascent internet. It's kind of like the trope of the fat kid who is a constant comedian at their own expense. The irony posture was a massive stealth cope, culture-wide, for people who weren't actively parented. I think this then begat the counterdrive towards sincerity & hyperemotionalism that you often see w/ younger millennials & zoomers.

This plus the lack of LGBT elders I think explains why
AGP creeps were able to completely colonize the movement and take it over.

Here's an utterly horrifying thread by Mal:

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(twitter / archive)
 
So all this stuff is about Mal getting to cancel her prettier, thinner sister?

Now all the vitriol makes sense. This was always the point. This is the sister who had a big fancy wedding where Mallory (whoopsie!) lost the wedding dress, because she allegedly didn't realize "take my dress to the cleaner's" also means "pick the dress up afterward."

Mal has always been fake-close with her sister and looked for chances to get close, then sabotage her at the last minute.

Her sister probably has anxiety because Mal's been quietly sabotaging her and making sure she never stops waiting for the other shoe to drop for 20+ years.
 
Here's an utterly horrifying thread by Mal:

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(twitter / archive)
maybe your sister has an eating disorder because your parents fed you freaky reconstituted crap for your whole childhoods.

Mal of course also has an eating disorder, but it manifests exclusively psychically. anyone who willingly eats the cooking these two get up to, as showcased in this thread, has severe mental and dietary impairments and is clearly subconsciously punishing themselves

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who the hell is that lmao. looks like he could be Joe’s younger brother

any updates on Nicole and Gretchen? Mal and Joe are still, incoming sexual harassment lawsuit notwithstanding, sadly bereft of surprises. i actually checked this thread hoping for updates on the side characters.
 
My family lived in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, roughly equidistant between a Piggly Wiggly and a Jewel-Osco supermarket, which supplied my parents with sufficient material to feed us regularly and, I have no doubt, with the best of intentions. This meant skinless chicken breasts, sometimes with and sometimes without a sheet of Coca-Cola–colored teriyaki sauce blurted over them; Hamburger Helper (usually the beef stroganoff variety, but on at least one memorable occasion the cheeseburger macaroni made an appearance); massive and perpetually out-of-season raspberries in plastic clamshells; blue glasses of skim milk; foil-skinned triangles of Laughing Cow cheese; steamed broccoli; jealously guarded green boxes of SnackWell’s diet devil’s food cookie cakes and Healthy Choice diet ice cream; Trix pink-and-purple-swirl–flavored yogurt; a newspaper-clipping recipe for coffee cake; Jif peanut butter (smooth, always; the primary texture of my childhood was smoothness); Little Caesars pizza on Friday nights; Oroweat whole-grain bread; a tusk-colored tub of Country Crock margarine; Eggo mini waffles on Sundays, two flats apiece, each flat containing four mini waffles, for a total of eight mini waffles per person, with Log Cabin maple-flavored syrup, microwaved for 15 seconds before pouring.

What is supposed to be abusive/horrifying/in any way notable about any of this?

I mean yeah it's not gourmet. And by Current Year standards, it's not "healthy eats." But by the standards of middle class shmoes circa 1993 this is all very normal and typical.

It doesn't read like some kind of over the top diet or unusual in any way to the time and place.
 
any updates on Nicole and Gretchen? Mal and Joe are still, incoming sexual harassment lawsuit notwithstanding, sadly bereft of surprises. i actually checked this thread hoping for updates on the side characters.
Well, Nicole has just announced she is going to seek doula certification specifically so she can donate doula services to shackled female prisoners.

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Demons.
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Someone corrects her from spreading false information about the Utah justice system. She makes no attempt to correct her post.
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And this beautiful (chef's kiss) comment that I have to believe is a subtle dig. Stop letting this woman talk about vaginas, just stop it!Untitled-4 - Copy (8).jpg

Oh my God, you just unlocked some memories for me about that cunt. That's actually when I stopped commenting on Jez/GT. DrDonna is the template for all these wokescolds, the exact sanctimonious tone has replicated like a fucking virus. Riley, a Good Feminist Dude that also was a prolific commentator went full AGP as well.

I think my first peaking there was when a well known GT poster (can't remember her username, but she was Asian) started dating a dude, he trooned out, she decided to stay with him... And proceeded to mooch off of her and brainwash her into doing allll the things to keep the household running because his mental health was soooo terrible. They got married really quickly, and I knew something was horribly wrong with the whole situation but knew I couldn't say anything without being completely excommunicated.

It's fucking creepy how disturbingly similar it was to Mal's trajectory. I hope she's okay, she was a sweet person.



This plus the lack of LGBT elders I think explains why
AGP creeps were able to completely colonize the movement and take it over.

Here's an utterly horrifying thread by Mal:

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(twitter / archive)
It seems really 😬 to blame circumstances for how anxiety disorders manifest. Seems really uncool to question people's self-reported mental illness and uncertainty about their emotionsgender.

Meanwhile, Joe posted the table of contents for his new book. Will he ever stop republishing "The King's Two Anuses" and "Egg Theory"?
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He also posted himself in some stage of nudity, I honestly do not know what this is a picture of. Looks like Lily's or an unidentified person's arm makes an appearance?
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Well, Nicole has just announced she is going to seek doula certification specifically so she can donate doula services to shackled female prisoners.


Meanwhile, Joe posted the table of contents for his new book. Will he ever stop republishing "The King's Two Anuses" and "Egg Theory"?
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thank you for the Nicole update! it is much appreciated! can’t wait to hear in a few months what wildly improbable yet completely true new forms of suffering she is martyred with at the women’s prison.

if Joe actually does have sex(doubtful), the way he talks about it is so revolting that it makes him seem like he thinks it’s gross and hates it.
 
I think this is really funny. Before nearly August of this year would anyone in these circles have ever used "the Ana Mardoll of [something]" as an insult publicly? And gotten 600+ likes for it from that community?

Gretch might have, but his thing is being the in your face, “jagged and edgy“ trans woman to Ana’s uwu softboi tenderqueer. One rewrites fairy tales for the neo pronoun crowd, the other writes about rape zombies and spams incest gifs at rape survivors. Both are stupid and cruel, but at least pretend to be polar opposites.
 
thank you for the Nicole update! it is much appreciated! can’t wait to hear in a few months what wildly improbable yet completely true new forms of suffering she is martyred with at the women’s prison.
Presuming she actually does it. She's already achieved what she wanted with her announcement - a lot of sycophants praising her for doing something she hasn't even done.
 
Well I think Mallory is a complete hater of women. The fact she can’t see this about herself is sad. But you don’t amputate parts of yourself, especially the woman parts, without hating them at least a little.

Mallory makes exceptions of course for the dipshit women like Nicole, but for any strong, in control, white woman who manages things—- pure hatred.


I’m reading this piece thinking her mom was trying not to gain weight and appears from the latest photos of herself to have achieved this difficult task.

Snackwells? Fun without the calories.

Trix yogurt? She’s doing something fun for the kids. I doubt her mom liked this. Her mom came from an era where Fruity Pebbles were high quality kid fun. She was being nice.

Laughing cow cheese? Probably her mom was doing Weight Watchers.

As a “sober” person who claims to understand addiction, it’s like Mallory simply cannot understand the power food addictions have. And you have to eat. You don’t have to drink or take pills. But you have to eat. It’s hard to feed a family. Not that Mallory would know.

No one in her family is painfully thin or fat other than Mallory, who never has been all that fat really. A mid fat maybe . Not a Death fat for sure. So maybe they were buying groceries so Mallory wouldn’t go nuts over them while still lovingly attempting to buy things kids would like. If that had been my mom, I would have been thankful honestly, not even joking. My mom was a relentless cookie, bread, pizza baker and quadrupled all her recipes. Fun until your pants don’t fit. And we were all trying not to be fatasses while surrounded by bulk chocolate chip cookies. But also, we didn’t starve and my mom worked her ass off providing meals for us consistently. I don’t know how she did it but she did. And sometimes it was Manwich or Campbell’s Chunky Soup. Kids gotta eat. And her mom was a clergy wife without presumably household staff.

Some bodies want to pack on pounds, and I think Mallory has that kind of a body. And it really does take serious attention and a lot of stupid mind games. I know a lot of people who claim intuitive eating is the right way and that’s awesome for many! Some people have to be extremely intentional . And PCOS is one of those conditions where 2+2 sometimes seems to equal 5. Thyroid conditions too. There is so much involved with some of these endocrine/metabolic disorders like fluid retention, muscle wasting followed by fat accumulation, brown fat vs yellow fat, fat placement, even fucking leaky veins and poor circulation. It’s a whole fucking science that even scientists can’t conquer all the time, even with some bariatric patients who are compliant. Losing weight doesn’t always look good and stay good. There are some promising things but sorry hon, in the 90’s snackwells were what we fucking had.


I loathe Mallory sometimes and I know that is awful. But it’s not her specifically it’s that traitorous daughter thing—- where a girl grows up seeing her mom navigate the patriarchy and watching a mother try to empower the daughters—- then giving a big old fuck you. There is nothing that hurts as bad as a daughter turning on a mother when the mother fucking loved that daughter. This hasn’t even happened to me, but I can feel it.


The same women will harp about a fair wage, while criticizing how their moms kept house or cooked food (for free). The same women will talk about women being used by men while literally complaining over their mom not being good, giving, and game enough around the house. Those traitorous daughters internalize all the judgment our society places on women and give it, sometimes solely, to their own mothers. Mallory’s mom is apparently a bitch for providing her plastic surgery. But Mallory supports “gender affirming care” for kids and young people. Fucking inconsistent.

In my every day life, if someone has estranged a parent, I have a red flag, and I have to kind of poke around to see what I think before they enter my circle of trust. Not all make the cut. Because there are those who are not abused, who were not despised or hated, who were loved even if imperfectly, who turn on their mothers. If they turn on their mother? They sure as hell will betray you, and you cannot trust them. I feel the same over some divorced people who leave and the memories over time become loaded and more fabricated until they are telling batshit lies of abuse. And it’s like you were there and none of those things happened. I might stay friends with them but with guards up. Mental illness is real and Mallory is deeply mentally ill.




What is supposed to be abusive/horrifying/in any way notable about any of this?

I mean yeah it's not gourmet. And by Current Year standards, it's not "healthy eats." But by the standards of middle class shmoes circa 1993 this is all very normal and typical.

It doesn't read like some kind of over the top diet or unusual in any way to the time and place.



I think she’s sexist and hates women (herself) and this piece is a dig at her mom.


Good moms are supposed to serve greens and bake homemade bread and simple country foods that would be appropriate in Little Women. Good moms are supposed to miraculously surround their tubby daughters with feasts or simple country food and somehow keep them from the complex medical issues involved with PCOS. Good moms should never let a daughter get lipo but they should have a party when they cut off their boobies! Good moms use wax paper not ziplock bags! Good moms get their food from either WIC (poor people are good and doing their best) or the farmers market or Draeger’s (rich people have good taste and are also good), not suburban chain grocery stores. Good moms should only serve seasonal foods. Good moms would never serve hamburger helper even if they have to provide meals every day. Home cooked, sensory, charming food delites only.


She hates herself and her own body and she wishes she could eat like those with an awesome metabolism, but since she can’t, she’s going to blame her mom.



Insufferable without even trying and with zero self awareness.
 
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