Liz Fong-Jones / Elliot William Fong / @lizthegrey - 'Consent accident' enjoyer, ex-Google employee, nepotistic sex pest, Robert Z'Dar look-alike who wants authority over the Internet

Nah. Logging that would put so much strain on the Farms that'd it slow it down worse than any of Liz Fong-Jones' pissy little DDoS attacks. He can't afford decent DDoS attacks on account of the fact he was fired from Google for raping one of his coworkers, and I don't believe Honeycomb.io would be in a position to offer him Google money in his current role.
That is correct; Elliot Liz Fong-Jones does in fact have an outstanding allegation of sexual harrasment against them. And even though Elliot Liz Fong-Jones is accused by a woman in the workforce of having raped them, they will again, likely not get a whole lot of money at honeycomb.io as he would have at google. Ergo, he cannot scrub away documentation or mention of the time that Elliot Liz Fong-Jones may have raped a woman and then considered it a "Consent accident" after claiming to be a victim himself.
 
Last month, Elliot got interviewed for an article that aged like milk titled "A Technical Guide to Burning Down a Troll Farm":

A Technical Guide to Burning Down a Troll Farm​

Victims of a hate group's harassment targeted a vendor the group needed to stay online. The episode offers a template for future cases. But can it scale?​

Sep 26th, 2022 3:00am by Jennifer Riggins
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Clara “Keffals” Sorrenti, a popular Twitch streamer, answered her door on August 5 to Ontario police pointing guns in her face. She was arrested, questioned, then released, once the police realized that she had been “swatted” — someone impersonated her, emailing that she was going to carry out a mass shooting.

Soon, Sorrenti became a victim of a month-long, cross-continental campaign of doxxing (publicly releasing personal information about an individual) and swatting.
This was all because of her co-organizing of the #DropKiwiFarms campaign. Kiwi Farms is an online message board or forum that organizes trolling, harassment and stalking of mostly transgender people, those with disabilities, and those who are neurodivergent.

The New Stack spoke to Liz Fong-JonesHoneycomb.io’s principal developer advocate, who has been working to bring down the hate site for more than five years — to learn how the volunteer team decided which piece of the Kiwi Farms stack to target, why it eventually came down (and then went up again), and how members of the tech industry can take better responsibility for the infrastructure they use.

Which Layer of the Stack to Target?​

If you consider all of the parts of the modern tech stack that make it possible to put content online — client side, cloud and data centers, hosting and network providers, databases, and so on — it would seem like there are many layers to potentially target to take down a troll farm. So the #DropKiwiFarms campaign applied the process of elimination.

The big three cloud providers simply won’t have it. Amazon Web Services, Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud have terms of service that prevent this kind of harassment and threats and are known to act on abuse reports. Kiwi Farms, Fong-Jones said, deliberately picked a host that was friendly to them — sometimes dubbed pink hosts, notorious for hosting spammers but also hate groups that more mainstream hosts reject.

“Pay them money, they didn’t care what they did with the bandwidth,” Fong-Jones said, making targeting the host provider with a pressure campaign futile.
“If you can’t go after the hosting provider itself, because they are aligned, you only go [for the] CDN or the network transit,” she said.

Cloudflare, Kiwi Farms’ content delivery network (CDN) and distributed denial of service (DDoS) mitigation layer, became the obvious target. According to Cloudflare’s website, it provides security services for more than 20% of the web.

But the #DropKiwiFarms campaign didn’t choose Cloudflare just because it provided the forum’s DDoS protection, but because, Fong-Jones argued, the company actually subsidized the cost of Kiwi Farms.

“The forum worked off of a substantial amount of image- and video-based harassment,” Fong-Jones said, including photos of victims and their families, screenshots, dehumanizing propaganda, and photos that support doxxing through identifying personality identifiable information, like a person’s location.

Cloudflare provides an edge-caching service, hosting copies of content closer to the end users.

“Every request does not go to the origin server. From a technical perspective they were providing free bandwidth to Kiwi Farms,” Fong-Jones said. “Kiwi Farms is serving one of these abusive images [that weighs] a megabyte. Cloudflare is caching that one-megabyte image. So if that image gets viewed 1,000 times, instead of costing [Kiwi Farms] a gigabyte of bandwidth transfer, it’s once. They would’ve had to provision a thousand times the server capacity.”

In addition, Kiwi Farms isn’t just a forum. As Ben Collins, a senior reporter for NBC, described on an episode of WNYC’s “On the Media” program, “It’s a way to archive every movement of people they deemed to be a ‘lolcow,’” the site’s harassment targets, which, as of late, tend to be transgender people.

“They were going after people who were mostly private citizens,” he told the radio show’s audience. “They archived their every movement, their every address. They lived their lives in actual terror.”

Kiwi Farms stands out against its extremist forum competitors that delete their content regularly; it maintains a searchable database, backed, in part, by this edge caching feature.

The site is technically built in a way to amplify content, to the point, Collins said — Kiwi Farms content would index first on Google if you searched victims’ names. This likely contributes to the greater unemployment and poverty that the transgender community faces, as most employers Google a job candidate before hiring them.

“The right to free speech isn’t the right to free amplification,” Fong-Jones said. Harassment perpetrated by Kiwi Farms users led to at least three suicides.

Pressure to de-platform the forum didn’t just come from activists and doxxing victims, but from an unknown number of Cloudflare’s paying customers, including Dreamwidth, a blogging service. Of course, not many Cloudflare customers would be so vocal about why they migrated away from them, because going public could lead to employees becoming harassment targets, too.

“If you are a Cloudflare enterprise customer, you are massively subsidizing the cost of the stack and therefore subsidizing hate groups,” Fong-Jones said. “You are paying for the servers, bandwidth and network that Cloudflare uses to subsidize hate groups.”

Cloudflare (Eventually) Takes Action​

“Cloudflare claimed we don’t host it, we just proxy it. We absolve ourselves of responsibility. The only thing we’ll promise is we will pass on your details [of the complaint] to the end host,” which, Fong-Jones added, “they changed to not include contact details.”

Indeed, Matthew Prince, Cloudflare’s CEO and co-founder, argued on the company blog that “voluntarily terminating access to services that protect against cyberattack is not the correct approach.” (The New Stack reached out to Cloudflare repeatedly for comment for this article, but has not received a response.)

An August 31 post on his company’s blog, co-written with Alissa Starzak, Cloudflare’s vice president, global head of public policy, stated that to take down a site (Kiwi Farms is not named) that the company dislikes would create a dangerous precedent and be an abuse of power:

“Some argue that we should terminate these services to content we find reprehensible so that others can launch attacks to knock it offline,” the blog post said. “That is the equivalent argument in the physical world that the fire department shouldn’t respond to fires in the homes of people who do not possess sufficient moral character.”

Less than three days later, Prince announced via Cloudflare’s blog that his company was pivoting to block Kiwi Farms’ content from being accessed through the Cloudflare infrastructure.

In his blog post, Prince emphasized that his team made the move because of the sudden, unprecedented escalation of immediate threats to human life published on the forum, which he wrote was a result of the pressure campaign to de-platform the forum.

“We do not believe that terminating security services is appropriate, even to revolting content,” he continued, expressing regret for the decision to drop Kiwi Farms as a customer.

Some other vendors that Kiwi Farms used dropped it as well, including hCaptcha, an independent cybersecurity service that runs on about 15% of the world’s internet.
“As a security service, we do not host or see content on sites using us, but do review specific complaints regarding users who may be violating our terms,” the hCaptcha team wrote as part of its notification to Kiwi Farms, terminating its free account.

As user bases scale into the millions and billions, it calls into question whether service providers can and should monitor every user or create some sort of flagging system.

The Impact of a Takedown​

Getting Cloudflare to drop the hate group — and then removing its content from the Internet Archive — is not a cure-all for bigotry. There’s no doubt that those intent on organizing around harassing, doxxing, stalking and swatting people will continue, onto other sites or through the Kiwi Farms site, which quickly migrated to Russian servers.

On Monday, Kiwi Farms reported a 503 Intermission error and that it has been hacked by an XSS injection. Founder Joshua Moon stated on the website’s error page: “The forum was hacked. You should assume the following.
  • Assume your password for the Kiwi Farms has been stolen.
  • Assume your email has been leaked.
  • Assume any IP you’ve used on your Kiwi Farms account in the last month has been leaked.”
Furthermore, he wrote, “Cloudflare not only provided DDoS protection, they also accounted for many popular exploits like this. As I’ve worked for weeks to combat the endless flow of attacks from every conceivable angle I have spread myself very thin and hurridly [sic] replaced old systems with new ones that are not properly vetted.”
This hacking would have been very difficult if Cloudflare hadn’t dropped Kiwi Farms. There’s also a solid chance that this hacking will enable both civilians and law enforcement to more easily identify Kiwi Farms members who have participated in criminal harassment tactics.

Cloudflare, in the aforementioned blog post, also noted that it is working with law enforcement for ongoing investigations into individuals who posted on the forum. However, legislation and enforcement lag far behind in regulating and pursuing this online, distributed, anonymous form of harassment.
Kiwi Farms will be back up soon, but perhaps with less power. When it does sign up for another DDoS provider, that will undoubtedly become a target of de-platforming pressure campaigns.

The Impact of Better Vendor Vetting​

In the short term, containing the offline harm caused by online hate groups will likely come down to buyer power. Organizations can figure out who is backing these hate sites by running them through a Whois domain lookup. Look for information in the HTTP headers, Fong-Jones suggested, including DNS servers, IP address and even content acceleration through different caching types.

Organizations already have extensive policies in place guiding supplier selection and vetting. “We need to rethink the role of infrastructure providers,” she said. “If you do business with neo-Nazis and go out of your way, people have the right to not do business with you.”

It’s reasonable that companies add moral criteria to that vetting process for both software as a service subscriptions and integration partnerships, asking:
  • Who else is this vendor standing up?
  • Who of our clients and/or employees might be harmed by us financially supporting this vendor?
“You should, as a company that provides services to your customers, have a policy around what conduct is acceptable,” Fong-Jones said. “You should absolutely evaluate the risk that supplier poses to your reputation and your employees,” including those at the greatest risk to be doxed.

“We have to stop treating technology as neutral, [claiming] we provide equal service to everyone,” she said. “That doesn’t work anymore when someone is using your service to harm people.”
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That is correct; Elliot Liz Fong-Jones does in fact have an outstanding allegation of sexual harrasment against them. And even though Elliot Liz Fong-Jones is accused by a woman in the workforce of having raped them, they will again, likely not get a whole lot of money at honeycomb.io as he would have at google. Ergo, he cannot scrub away documentation or mention of the time that Elliot Liz Fong-Jones may have raped a woman and then considered it a "Consent accident" after claiming to be a victim himself.
Quite right. Even though Liz Fong-Jones, also known as Elliot William Fong, admitted to raping at least one woman using the flowery euphemism "consent accent", it should be made very clear that he is currently an alleged rapist in the eyes of the law.

BTW I can't quote @quaawaa's post above, but a funny thing happens in nature when an ecosystem is destroyed by fire. The burnt-out area regenerates, often quite quickly, and comes back stronger than ever. As such, burning down Farms where the rules of nature apply - whilst causing short-term pain for its inhabitants - leads to long term regrowth.

Of course this means the Farms will be subject to future fires, but the Farms will always regenerate.
 
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Someone claiming to be from Terrahost is currently in his IRC.
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For those doubting the validity of this representative's identity, take note of this:
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Terrahost.no is the official Norwegian website for terrahost. It's registered at Terrahost's main office address (Klinestadmoen 10, 3241 Sandefjord, Norway) and appears to have been registered as far back as 2013, so there's no need to doubt its validity.
This person hosted a temporary page to validate their identity as a representative of terrahost. Unfortunately whoever was lurking the channel did not think to archive that page before it got deleted. Whatever was on that page convinced shovelhead this person is legit, which is unsurprising since nobody outside of terrahost could've added a page to their website.
Whether this person is a rogue member of staff, PR, or the owner of terrahost themselves I don't know, but chances are they're legit.

Edit: Disregard my post, I suck cocks. There's zero confirmation so far of this page having existed, and upon further investigation it's extremely likely to have been a gay-op.
 
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For those doubting the validity of this representative's identity, take note of this:
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Terrahost.no is the official Norwegian website for terrahost. It's registered at Terrahost's main office address (Klinestadmoen 10, 3241 Sandefjord, Norway) and appears to have been registered as far back as 2013, so there's no need to doubt its validity.
This person hosted a temporary page to validate their identity as a representative of terrahost. Unfortunately whoever was lurking the channel did not think to archive that page before it got deleted. Whatever was on that page convinced shovelhead this person is legit, which is unsurprising since nobody outside of terrahost could've added a page to their website.
Whether this person is a rogue member of staff, PR, or the owner of terrahost themselves I don't know, but chances are they're legit.
That assumes the page existed in the first place, and that this alleged "Terrahost" user isn't a gayop to try and scare Null. It just seems all too convenient, especially given that the alleged rapist Liz Fong-Jones' IRC channel only has about 10 users in it and that an ISP the size of Terrahost would visit a pissant IRC channel at the ass end of the internet specifically to answer Elliot's enquiry.

If this gayop were any gayer, it'd be wearing leather chaps and singing "In The Navy".
 
That assumes the page existed in the first place, and that this alleged "Terrahost" user isn't a gayop to try and scare Null. It just seems all too convenient, especially given that the alleged rapist Liz Fong-Jones' IRC channel only has about 10 users in it and that an ISP the size of Terrahost would visit a pissant IRC channel at the ass end of the internet specifically to answer Elliot's enquiry.

If this gayop were any gayer, it'd be wearing leather chaps and singing "In The Navy" very loudly.
What server is this anyway, do we know? If there's anyone in the server (they don't need to be in the channel) they could /whois or /whowas the member to get an idea of who and where they are. If they were a legitimate member of terrahost's staff it should be fairly obvious from that unless it's hidden/masked.
 
I had to take a pause from work just to get the full-bellied laugh this one was causing. Fuck sake, imagine running an interview where you do a victory lap, you end with a final hot take of what basically boils down to "We need to take away freedoms because words can hurt people.", then after a month, the entire talking point is NULLified, your main comrade ditches you and leaves you with the useless schizo one, in an effort to keep fighting alone, you inadvertently super-charge and cause the GLOBAL SATURATION OF THE KIWIFARMS.
Oh my god, Elliot. It's like you saw your opportunity, lit a torch, threw it at our little shitshack and instead of burning down, the flames upgraded us into a proper condo.
You absolute fucking mong, only you could manage this.
 
That assumes the page existed in the first place, and that this alleged "Terrahost" user isn't a gayop to try and scare Null. It just seems all too convenient, especially given that the alleged rapist Liz Fong-Jones' IRC channel only has about 10 users in it and that an ISP the size of Terrahost would visit a pissant IRC channel at the ass end of the internet specifically to answer Elliot's enquiry.

If this gayop were any gayer, it'd be wearing leather chaps and singing "In The Navy".
At the very least, Elliot seems to think it's real. The guy lurking in the IRC said that Elliot and the Terrahost user were chatting for a while. Elliot is nothing if not completely humorless so I can't picture him not immediately booting the user if he thought it was an impostor. Maybe I'm giving him too much intellectual credit but I can't fathom why he would go through with this as a ruse just to try and intimidate Null. This whole thing is bizarre.
 
What server is this anyway, do we know? If there's anyone in the server (they don't need to be in the channel) they could /whois or /whowas the member to get an idea of who and where they are. If they were a legitimate member of terrahost's staff it should be fairly obvious from that unless it's hidden/masked.

Yes, IRC server was posted earlier in the thread. You will need to register with a valid email address to even join the channel.
 
For those doubting the validity of this representative's identity, take note of this:
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Terrahost.no is the official Norwegian website for terrahost. It's registered at Terrahost's main office address (Klinestadmoen 10, 3241 Sandefjord, Norway) and appears to have been registered as far back as 2013, so there's no need to doubt its validity.
This person hosted a temporary page to validate their identity as a representative of terrahost. Unfortunately whoever was lurking the channel did not think to archive that page before it got deleted. Whatever was on that page convinced shovelhead this person is legit, which is unsurprising since nobody outside of terrahost could've added a page to their website.
Whether this person is a rogue member of staff, PR, or the owner of terrahost themselves I don't know, but chances are they're legit.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a troon on the inside at Terrahost - there's troons everywhere in tech. I thought the speculation that the T1 that dropped the Farms temporarily was done by a troon without consulting his bosses was very likely. I also wouldn't be surprised that, if a Norwegian troon working at Terrahost exists, that they would want to help but also know that it would cost them their job and worse if they were to actually do anything that Fong-Jones wanted.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a gayop due to them knowing their IRC is being read, or that the link being posted was considered enough without anyone bothering to click on it, or several other situations. Because I'd imagine it would be trivial for the people at Terrahost, who seem to have been very clear about how they feel about assholes trying to bully them into compliance, to be made aware that someone within the company is potentially trying to work with said bullies, and to then check who put up a 'hello' section on their website. That level of idiocy isn't out of the question for these people, but it's still particularly dumb.

Even more unlikely, though, is that anyone with that name on that IRC server would get the reaction they got, with a, 'It's just business, we get that,' response. The whole point of this whole thing has been it's not just business, it's the evilest of evils. Nothing makes it scream gayop more than that particular reversal of dogma.
 
I grew up in a cult. The troon movement is absolutely a cult: Cultural Marxism to the nth degree.

Conversely, Elliot Ching Chong accusing KF of being a cult is hilarious as fuck to me. Bitch, please:
  • nobody on this forum gives a fuck if you post here or not
  • we're all anonymous (mostly)
  • we have wildly differing and combative opinions, which we routinely throw down and call each other "faggot" over
  • pointing and laughing is not encouraged in cults

The last experience I remember of a message board where you could speak your piece was the IMDb boards, and they shut that shit down because Amazon didn't want to moderate them anymore. I miss those boards, they were all sorts of entertaining drama and chaos and just utter ridiculousness.
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A helpful infographic on that:
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One on religious beliefs, too:
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Multiple people have gone over how troons like to call Kiwi Farms users a cult, and what can be added to that is that it’s psychological mirroring, ie, troons seeing themselves in everything else, especially as a defense mechanism. In general, troons call those they disagree with, a word they understand, as cult-members of their quite religious in nature, gender beliefs. (Imo, not a very original or noteworthy form of defense on their part.) It’s good to see the healthy and robust differences of thought from various users, here. It’s even better seeing shit posts worthy of an ancient and hearty troll emerging from under the most sturdy of bridges.
I have never seen any cult-like behaviour here nor anyone worshipping Null like a deity. If someone did, then it doesn't take much brainpower to realise that it would be a shitpost. Sometimes I wonder how anyone could take a look at this site and call it a cult, or call it a cult based on what some perverts on twitter said. But then I remember that the general public is retarded.

Those infographics are very nice. All they do is project onto other people; their minds only know the world as it was presented to them within their cult, so that is one of the first insults that comes to their minds when they target another community. It reminds me of that Dr. Pizza faggot calling people pedophiles on twitter and getting busted for it himself.
 
What server is this anyway, do we know? If there's anyone in the server (they don't need to be in the channel) they could /whois or /whowas the member to get an idea of who and where they are. If they were a legitimate member of terrahost's staff it should be fairly obvious from that unless it's hidden/masked.
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Pulled this up. They're masked. What's interesting is that the user is listed as "yle@user". Has anyone else with that hostmask posted in the channel? Or is there anyone that goes by "Yle" in dingdong's circle? There appears to be a national broadcasting agency in Finland that goes by that nickname (Yleisradio Oy), not sure if that's relevant or not.
 
All you need is a valid email address, an IRC client and you can be whoever you want in the Donger's channel. If you are friends with an oper, you can also get whatever host displayed you want.
This. Is. A. Gayop.

It's a gayop, but it could be a gayop performed by a rogue Terrahost employee... or it's more likely an autistic script kiddie who's masked himself surprisingly well.

I don't know how IRC works in comparison to say... an E2EE messaging app like Element/Matrix. I may very well be 100% off base here.
 
This person hosted a temporary page to validate their identity as a representative of terrahost. Unfortunately whoever was lurking the channel did not think to archive that page before it got deleted. Whatever was on that page convinced shovelhead this person is legit, which is unsurprising since nobody outside of terrahost could've added a page to their website.
That's not the sequence of events shown in the posted log.

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Terrahost shows up, Liz Fong-Jones (who has been credibly accused of rape) acts like she's already convinced, and then Terrahost posts the link. Are the timestamps out of order or something?
 
It's a gayop, but it could be a gayop performed by a rogue Terrahost employee... or it's more likely an autistic script kiddie who's masked himself surprisingly well.

I don't know how IRC works in comparison to say... an E2EE messaging app like Element/Matrix. I may very well be 100% off base here.

All opers on that network can set custom displayed hosts for registered nicks.

This is all very fake and very gay.
 
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