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[FinnSven]

Possible but very unlikely.
Impossible if he deployed outside of the US.

In the US, you have 6 months from your intake date to decide "Nope. This was terrible idea, I don't know what I was thinking. Send me
home." Depending on what's going on the world (and how much of a fuckstain you are) they may try to hold on to you and convince you to change your mind, or they might send you home immediately.
In the 90s with the coldwar draw down, you said "nope" and they'd have you on the next bus back home as soon they could get you to out processing. During Da Surge, they would make you sit in the washout platoon for almost every day of those six months on the off chance you'd have a change of heart.

Once you are in, oh my good son, you are in until your ETS date. There is no buyout, there is virtually no hardship separation. During Da Surge they had to keep the girls segregated because they would keep trying to get preggers for that sweet sweet medical separation.
Now naturally you can get yourself booted through any number of epic fuckups, but that usually involves criminal charges, so not the wisest ideas.
But the military doesn't always attract the wisest people.

They won't send you outside the US until you hit that date for this reason. Army website says 19D CavScouts all do OSUT (one station unit training - they keep a company together through Basic and usually you have the same trainers for your Job-specific training) and that lasts 16 weeks, so its not very long until you hit your 6-months.
So he very likely did his enlistment as a one-and-done, got his honorable, and went home and trooned out. Again, he probably never left Germany. OTOH I know combat vets who saw some real hairy shit and their description of their service is "I was in the Army/Marines, got out in 2014" so its best to not cast aspersions.
Phillip doesn't seem like the taciturn type though, and I would figure if he so much as flew over Iraq we'd know all about it.


Anyway, wouldn't be a "trying to get out of the army" post with a story about a fuck up.
I knew a guy who during the don't ask, don't tell days tried to get out by claiming to be gay. The CO told him "You are not gay unless I see you sucking a cock in this office" He in fact did suck a cock in the CO's office, but the CO still didn't believe he was gay; CO did believe he needed to be busted back to E-1, get extra duty, and be docked half pay for a month same for the other guy. He then decided that the best way out was to piss hot. I know the MPs came for him, and never heard from/of him again. Wanting to get out was a hell of a drug.

What are the chances he basically worked in an office, storage or similar?

Spoiler: Military sperging

A high percentage of British ex squaddies from all branches insist that they were frontline, but it’s widely understood that actual troops who engage the enemy are a minority.
Most of them are usually the higher trained branches, SF, Paras, Marines and apparently the MPs are responsible for clearing out forward areas.

There were more who did in the days of The Troubles, but even most of these didn’t deal with much more than a riot situation than some Hollywood gunfight.
They were supposed to be “peacekeepers” effectively, despite being the ones enraging the people they first sent there to protect.

Most “soldiers” are more akin to armed clerks, pen pushers or forklift drivers.

 

[Ghostse]

What are the chances he basically worked in an office, storage or similar?

Moderately unlikely for 19D.

The US Army has a whole job series for Supply Clerk: http://www.army-portal.com/jobs/quartermaster/index.html

19D is trained to hop off tanks and go find the enemy and report back.

Spoiler

While in garrison when he wasn't training, he was probably:
Watching the company desk
Mopping or otherwise cleaning
Doing admin bitch work like helping their quartermaster rack and count gear
Probably doing some shit at motorpool.
On a work detail to Battalion.
Raking gravel or policecalling some meaningless parking lot or stretch of ground
Racked out in a hidden spot, trying to avoid all of the above.

Generally waiting till 5pm. I don't know how things work in Germany and if there was a standing 24-hour pass for all off-duty personnel or not, but even if you couldn't get off base you were at least off duty.

All I know is that guys who were in Germany just bragged about how easy it was to to get laid. There were girls with US military fetish and it wasn't exactly hard to spot soldier from the locals, so they found you.
My assumption was you'd tell a German girl you got paid on the 1st and 15th of every month, and the genetically ingrained German love of strict, reliable schedules would make her wetter than the amazon basin.

 

[Trig.Point]

A high percentage of British ex squaddies from all branches insist that they were frontline, but it’s widely understood that actual troops who engage the enemy are a minority.
Most of them are usually the higher trained branches, SF, Paras, Marines and apparently, ththe MPs are responsible for clearing out forward areas.

It depends, a lot of soldiers in service support arms felt that they were front line because they used to do road moves, and occasional foot patrols. It was never anywhere near what the infantry were doing on a daily basis, and the casualty figures break down by cap badge shows it.

Also don't believe a fucking word the RMP say, in the early days of Iraq they were running their own operations training the Iraqi police, that ended when 6 of them were killed in Basra in 2003. After several months, it came out that their QM had taken most of their Ammunition, sat phones, medical equipment off them because they were due to end tour in a couple of weeks and he was a lazy fuck. Any time the RMP set foot outside of the wire after that they did it under the direction of the force protection.

The recent leaks to Channel 4 about war Crimes committed by the SAS comes from disgruntled RMP officers pissed off that the SAS prefers to work with the regular police rather than them.

So he very likely did his enlistment as a one-and-done, got his honorable, and went home and trooned out. Again, he probably never left Germany. OTOH I know combat vets who saw some real hairy shit and their description of their service is "I was in the Army/Marines, got out in 2014" so its best to not cast aspersions.
Phillip doesn't seem like the taciturn type though, and I would figure if he so much as flew over Iraq we'd know all about it.

In the British Army the better infantry regiments will often 'encourage' soldiers to sign off. They make it clear to them that they're not going to get promoted, they can't be transferred out and while they may help make up the numbers on the books, their future in the regiment is going to consist of shit jobs.

 

[FinnSven]

It depends, a lot of soldiers in service support arms felt that they were front line because they used to do road moves, and occasional foot patrols. It was never anywhere near what the infantry were doing on a daily basis, and the casualty figures break down by cap badge shows it.

Also don't believe a fucking word the RMP say, in the early days of Iraq they were running their own operations training the Iraqi police, that ended when 6 of them were killed in Basra in 2003. After several months, it came out that their QM had taken most of their Ammunition, sat phones, medical equipment off them because they were due to end tour in a couple of weeks and he was a lazy fuck. Any time the RMP set foot outside of the wire after that they did it under the direction of the force protection.

The recent leaks to Channel 4 about war Crimes committed by the SAS comes from disgruntled RMP officers pissed off that the SAS prefers to work with the regular police rather than them.



In the British Army the better infantry regiments will often 'encourage' soldiers to sign off. They make it clear to them that they're not going to get promoted, they can't be transferred out and while they may help make up the numbers on the books, their future in the regiment is going to consist of shit jobs.

I have never been in myself, but I have to say I have heard a lot of conflicting accounts from squaddies on how things work.

I just try to quote the most consistent stuff, and stuff backed up by official sources.

From what I understand though it seems that the end of the Troubles changed a lot.

 

[Ghostse]

In the British Army the better infantry regiments will often 'encourage' soldiers to sign off. They make it clear to them that they're not going to get promoted, they can't be transferred out and while they may help make up the numbers on the books, their future in the regiment is going to consist of shit jobs.

In the US, if you are a complete shitberg they won't allow you to renew your enlistment. I knew a couple guys with medical issues that were able to finish their enlistments but were barred from reenlistment. I also knew a guy who did a big fuckup, CO & battalion swept it under the rug quietly and nothing happened to him. It was one of those cases where if you fuck up big enough, no one will want to punish you because it will raise questions of how you were allowed to fuck up so dramatically - where were your superior officers when you were fucking up? But when he was outprocessing a few years later, he was sitting in the waiting room with a couple guys; all the other guys got pulled aside by retention officers to try to get them to sign up for another contract, but for him they just looked at his paperwork and confirmed his address of record, leave balance, and official ETS date. So he suspects the battalion Lt.C talked to someone.
(He was a one-and-done, so never went back to figure out if he was permabarred)

The US military is big enough if you have a shitsack, you can transfer them to another unit and make them some one else's problem. Sometimes this even works - you have a guy who just has a beef with an NCO/Officer, or someone in the company is a bad influence,etc. You send them to a new command/new base/new country, and their discipline or motivation problems vanish.

I knew a MSGT who told me about a private when he was a first sergeant who was the company can't-get-right, and he tried everything with him. Talks to the CO because he's a big enough fuck up its starting to infect other guys in the platoon, so they send him to South Korea - whatever happened over there, guy suddenly straightens up and flies right, eventually becoming an NCO himself.

 

[HackerX]

In the US, if you are a complete shitberg they won't allow you to renew your enlistment. I knew a couple guys with medical issues that were able to finish their enlistments but were barred from reenlistment. I also knew a guy who did a big fuckup, CO & battalion swept it under the rug quietly and nothing happened to him. It was one of those cases where if you fuck up big enough, no one will want to punish you because it will raise questions of how you were allowed to fuck up so dramatically - where were your superior officers when you were fucking up? But when he was outprocessing a few years later, he was sitting in the waiting room with a couple guys; all the other guys got pulled aside by retention officers to try to get them to sign up for another contract, but for him they just looked at his paperwork and confirmed his address of record, leave balance, and official ETS date. So he suspects the battalion Lt.C talked to someone.
(He was a one-and-done, so never went back to figure out if he was permabarred)

The US military is big enough if you have a shitsack, you can transfer them to another unit and make them some one else's problem. Sometimes this even works - you have a guy who just has a beef with an NCO/Officer, or someone in the company is a bad influence,etc. You send them to a new command/new base/new country, and their discipline or motivation problems vanish.

I knew a MSGT who told me about a private when he was a first sergeant who was the company can't-get-right, and he tried everything with him. Talks to the CO because he's a big enough fuck up its starting to infect other guys in the platoon, so they send him to South Korea - whatever happened over there, guy suddenly straightens up and flies right, eventually becoming an NCO himself.

The amazing thing about this story is the running joke is "the fastest way to get E5 is to go to Korea as an E6". I never went (because God had deemed that I should never leave Ft.Bragg as some sort of divine punishment), but I gather it's this weird hybrid of living in garrisonx10 with the mass punishment that everyone adores.

I do question why so many ex-military troon out though. Always with kids and married/divorced.

 

[Ghostse]

I do question why so many ex-military troon out though.

My assumption is that they see on a regular basis how women in the military are held to a lesser standard and allowed to skate on everything, and figure "That's not fair! Why do I have to be competent?" and BOOM toon.

real answer: Many guys in the military are sort of people you see in a cult - they want to belong to something. Troonism is a cult with a mission (legalize grooming and molesting children).

Add to that the reason you see so many troons in tech, especially hulking troons:
It is hard to approach people as a man. There was a book/media conglomeration by a Bulldyke called "Self Made Man" where said dyke would go out as a man, assuming men had it so easy, and was taken aback by how much hostility she experienced when dude-presenting. Even as a butch, she didn't realize how much more she was allowed to enter into social spaces.
When you are a big person, its doubly true. People get intimidated - great when you're trying to negotiate, not so when you want to make friends.
Add into that social awkwardness, and you have a recipe for isolation.
They see how easy it is women to move and integrate socially - you don't even have to do anything! They come to you! - and then they discover there's a movement to force women to let you come to sleepovers and spadays, and they are all over it.

I gather it's this weird hybrid of living in garrisonx10 with the mass punishment that everyone adores.

Never been either, but I wager its largely that you're in a foreign country and Koreans racist as fuck - also tiny. You aren't going to find a nice local girl (or if you do, the locals will dissuade either or both you), so your choices of sideways vagina are Gold-digger, Foreign Dick connoisseur, stripper or prostitute. And having anyone of those in your life is a recipe for disaster.

MSGT just said he had was an instructor at NCO school, and here comes Pvt Can't-get-right, only now he's SGT Squared-Away. My speculation was he had relationship troubles, and shipping to Korea forced him to cold-turkey that toxic relationship. That or he discovered people who were even bigger fuck ups up than he was and it scared him straight; if I don't actually fix my shit, I end up like that.

 

[White Trash Motorsport]

I do question why so many ex-military troon out though. Always with kids and married/divorced.

It’s an example of one, but I know a guy who did that. Seemed like the army, to him, was a rubber stamp on his man card, like verifying his parking at a store. He failed. Last pic I saw of him he had wonky eyeliner flicks and was wearing one of those fucking ‘90s style tartan mini skirts troons love so much.

 

[AnOminous]

I know the MPs came for him, and never heard from/of him again. Wanting to get out was a hell of a drug.

Reminds me of the plot arc in M*A*S*H where Klinger dressed in drag in an attempt to get a mental illness discharge.

 

[Ghostse]

Reminds me of the plot arc in M*A*S*H where Klinger dressed in drag in an attempt to get a mental illness discharge.

He was called Klinger for a while till I guess someone told SDS that hewed too close to the EO line

 

[cuddle striker]

I know a lot of military and they are groomed to join cults, that military training opens up some kind of door in their brain for it. They either troon out, or get involved in some other cult. Oath Keepers, Mormons, breeders. it's always something.

Only the more senior (?) ones seem to have mental stability after being in the military. The guys who treated it like a job for longer than a few years.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I know a lot of military and they are groomed to join cults, that military training opens up some kind of door in their brain for it. They either troon out, or get involved in some other cult. Oath Keepers, Mormons, breeders. it's always something.

Only the more senior (?) ones seem to have mental stability after being in the military. The guys who treated it like a job for longer than a few years.

A lot of people go into the military because they need structure and a sense of belonging to something larger than themselves. Cults do a fantastic work of preying on these needs.

Officers and NCOs (and, I'm told, specialists) have an easier time dodging it because in our military at least people in positions of leadership have at least some incentive to think on their feet and display some level of initiative. But your average "just following orders" grunt who joined because he had literally nothing else going on in his life? Yeah, he's fodder for cults once he leaves. And the gendercult is just about the largest, most predatory cult out there these days.

 

[Ghostse]

Officers and NCOs (and, I'm told, specialists) have an easier time dodging it

The E-4 mafia is too well versed in the way of the shamauri. Cults are too much work for your average specialist.
Big town meeting to drink the flavor-aid? That sounds like something you'd need to do some work. Best send some PFCs and be somewhere else when that's happening.

Anyway, seems like the main-series troons are quiet. How are things going with the spin off, "Simping for Bipolar Pussy"?

 

[Corn Flakes]

Actually, did we get any politisperging from them? I'm sure the fact that the Red Wave was more like the Gentle Red Ripple Across A Tranquil Pond didn't really stop at least some of them from malding about people having the gall to "vote against their interests".

The E-4 mafia

I have been told such a thing does not exist and that you are a, and I quote, "doo-doo head" for implying it does.

 

[Starre & Ruine]

I know a lot of military and they are groomed to join cults, that military training opens up some kind of door in their brain for it. They either troon out, or get involved in some other cult. Oath Keepers, Mormons, breeders. it's always something.

Only the more senior (?) ones seem to have mental stability after being in the military. The guys who treated it like a job for longer than a few years.

I wish I could reply to this, but the Power Level would be too high. I don't know the board could take it. But, there is a real sense of community and tribe in combat arms units and it is something unseen outside the military.

 

[White Devil]

I wish I could reply to this, but the Power Level would be too high. I don't know the board could take it. But, there is a real sense of community and tribe in combat arms units and it is something unseen outside the military.

Shared suffering builds bonds, my dude.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Shared suffering builds bonds, my dude.

Do you think the burned troons now have a bond thanks to alpacashwitz or are they too immature to feel that?

 

[Aunt Carol]

Do you think the burned troons now have a bond thanks to alpacashwitz or are they too immature to feel that?

The raw footage from Coyote's abortive documentary is going to be a godsend for the retrospective. Ten years from now the debacle of the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch will be at least as interesting a time filler for some streaming service as the Fyre Festival was, on a shorter timescale.

 

[scallion]

I wish I could reply to this, but the Power Level would be too high. I don't know the board could take it. But, there is a real sense of community and tribe in combat arms units and it is something unseen outside the military.

Has your service ever made you want to cut off your cock?

 

[notafederalagent]

Crossposting these from the Kindness thread. For the newcomers to the thread, this is Paul Boner Mandozer, co-founder of the tranch:

https://twitter.com/EntrancingStars/status/1570754947523969024 (https://archive.ph/K2MfX)

https://twitter.com/EntrancingStars/status/1584518739025797127 (https://archive.ph/j4XUp)

https://twitter.com/EntrancingStars/status/1587501218859024385 (https://archive.ph/QRxr8)

https://twitter.com/EntrancingStars/status/1589435188358295553 (https://archive.ph/KiQjC)