Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[1Tonka_Truck]

It's literally a hole in the ground. Never heard of anyone manage to blow up a river.

You don't blow up the river you blow up the diversion dam. Without the diversion dam the river isn't high enough to flow into the canal system. People with mud huts and sticks figured out irrigation 8,000 years ago, not sure why you're having trouble with the concept.

That aside, the canal is bone dry in the pics posted up thread, so there's no need to fuck up the infrastructure currently.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

You don't blow up the river

Challenge accepted

 

[Beak Thing]

Challenge accepted

I'd suspect the now very, very well-equipped Ukrainians can figure something out.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm honestly really surprised Russia is giving up Kherson without a fight. Their supply situation must be even more grim then assumed. Despite the cope over it being "just like George Washington at New York" this, like that, is a catastrophe. Even if in both scenarios the defending army got away.

Russias dream of taking Odessa is completly dead at this point. No unification with Transnistria. Worse, it's not like Ukraine is going to need alot of forces to hold Kherson once they secure it. All those Brigades fighting there can be sent to a different front. Probably a strike towards Melitopol or Mariople.

The entire story of this war has been Russias atrocious logistics and trying to take and defend massive amounts of territory with a comparatively small army. They are giving up a regional capital without a fight because of logistics. It's mind boggling.

 

[Simpadoo]

Four Ways to Understand the $54 Billion in U.S. Spending on Ukraine

It’s the most annual assistance given by the U.S. to a country in the last decade.

www.nytimes.com

54 billion right there. And that's just the amount we peasants are allowed to know about.

Usual inaccurate ice cold takes we come to expect from this pile of human debris.

Thanks for looking up the article.

I’m sure he will backpedal in some way to save face.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

I hate Ukraine more every day and I wish the Ukrainians and the Russians could all be teleported into Washington DC during a Joint Session of Congress so that they could fight there instead.

 

[Beak Thing]

I'm honestly really surprised Russia is giving up Kherson without a fight. Their supply situation must be even more grim then assumed. Despite the cope over it being "just like George Washington at New York" this, like that, is a catastrophe. Even if in both scenarios the defending army got away.

The Russians have no other choice. De-Satanization isn't going so hot as you may have observed.

 

[NSJAP]

I do not understand. Didn't we turn off their lights? Why didn't it work? Why did we lose Kherson anyway?
And if we shoot at the monuments of Bandera? Maybe this will work? We should try. Maybe they have all the power there, something like horcruxes.



— Did we bomb the power plants?
— Bombed.
— Did they sit without light?
— Did they sit.
— Where is Kherson?
— What Kherson?

 

[White_N]

This is utterly surreal.

Like people are actually supposed to believe this is the supreme commander of all deployed Russian forces in Ukraine pitching a plan of action to the minister of defense and getting assent, and not a scripted show made for people with sub-human intelligence.

It says a lot about Russian society that they would put something like this out with the confidence the public is either retarded or submissive enough to buy it and not call bullshit.

To start a battle with windmills and lose is a skill!
Of course, there has been no evacuation for the last two weeks and the decision to leave the city was made yesterday.
And "it says a lot about Russian society" is the cherry on the cake of the mentally retarded post.

 

[Beak Thing]

I do not understand. Didn't we turn off their lights? Why didn't it work? Why did we lose Kherson anyway?
And if we shoot at the monuments of Bandera? Maybe this will work? We should try. Maybe they have all the power there, something like horcruxes.

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— Did we bomb the power plants?
— Bombed.
— Did they sit without light?
— Did they sit.
— Where is Kherson?
— What Kherson?

It's kind of funny I'm one of the most pro-Russia posters here....this war is madness. I want Russia to be a free, prosperous and democratic country that is a partner with NATO.

End this war. You Russian cheerleaders know Putin's blunder was a complete disaster. It's OK, you can say that here.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I'm honestly really surprised Russia is giving up Kherson without a fight. Their supply situation must be even more grim then assumed. Despite the cope over it being "just like George Washington at New York" this, like that, is a catastrophe. Even if in both scenarios the defending army got away.

Russias dream of taking Odessa is completly dead at this point. No unification with Transnistria. Worse, it's not like Ukraine is going to need alot of forces to hold Kherson once they secure it. All those Brigades fighting there can be sent to a different front. Probably a strike towards Melitopol or Mariople.

The entire story of this war has been Russias atrocious logistics and trying to take and defend massive amounts of territory with a comparatively small army. They are giving up a regional capital without a fight because of logistics. It's mind boggling.

There's only one major, glaring difference in terms of the cope saying this is just like "Washington at New York or Moscow being abandoned to Napoleon". In both times it was the defending army in the overall conflict giving up their home turf. This is an offending army in the overall conflict giving up land it occupied.

I do agree with the point about Odessa, with how stagnant this war has become, it's unlikely either side will be able to break a natural defense as major as the Dnipro. Either way a guy who's been a source of terrible Pro-Z takes added to his track record.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I'm honestly really surprised Russia is giving up Kherson without a fight. Their supply situation must be even more grim then assumed. Despite the cope over it being "just like George Washington at New York" this, like that, is a catastrophe. Even if in both scenarios the defending army got away.

You don't seem to understand that after the Battle of Brooklyn not only did the Continental Army lose New York, we lost New York Harbor and were forced to retreat into Pennsylvania, and never regained that territory until the war was over, right? But we still won. Eight years later.

Now. clearly this isn't the eighteenth century and weaponry has dramatically changed modern warfare, but one can look at recent conflicts like the Korean War to find US commanders employing tactics used by the ancient Greeks, with great success, if you understand how warfare works.

Which clearly, you do not.

I hate Ukraine more every day and I wish the Ukrainians and the Russians could all be teleported into Washington DC during a Joint Session of Congress so that they could fight there instead.

Or teleport them to Fallujah, where Biden thought they were until someone shouted into his earpiece.

 

[mindlessobserver]

You don't seem to understand that after the Battle of Brooklyn not only did the Continental Army lose New York, we lost New York Harbor and were forced to retreat into Pennsylvania, and never regained that territory until the war was over, right? But we still won. Eight years later.

Now. clearly this isn't the eighteenth century and weaponry has dramatically changed modern warfare, but one can look at recent conflicts like the Korean War to find US commanders employing tactics used by the ancient Greeks, with great success, if you understand how warfare works.

Which clearly, you do not.


Or teleport them to Fallujah, where Biden thought they were until someone shouted into his earpiece.

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This war is not going to last 8 years. I am standing by my 2 year estimate.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This war is not going to last 8 years. I am standing by my 2 year estimate.

",,,during The War of Independence, which went on for eight years, ..."

"The Russian-Ukraine conflict isn't going to last eight years".

This is called a straw man, or to use the vernacular, shit I never said but you pretend I did.

 

[Based Boy]

Two, it will be interesting to see if once Russia withdrawls in full and Ukraine officially liberates Kherson, if they dam the Crimea water supply again or not, if they don't, expect a backroom deal happened.

The problem is, what Ukrainian will negotiate for? I know that most by now do not remember, but the first proposed peace deal at the very beginning was:
1. Independence for Donetsk Oblast.
2. Independence for Lugansk Oblast.
3. Recognition of Crimea as Russian.
4. Ukrainian neutrality (joining EU was allowed, from what i can remember).
There was probably something about not blocking water to Crimea, but i don't know if somebody publicly stated something about it or not.
They would need something out of those 4 points removed, because if they don't, then the question of why they even fought a war to gain nothing out of it will arise.
If they retake the rest of Kherson and Zaparozhiya, then it is just what they were presented with in a peace deal 7 months ago. They need to either take some other Oblast or secure place in NATO to make it somewhat worth it.
And if America is going to push for peace and accept all 4 points + water for Crimea, then the question becomes - how can America push Ukraine to accept the same deal that was presented to it before war started in earnest without looking like an asshole and without Ukraine looking like a used up whore?
I guess declaring minimalist goals was a smart thing for Russia to avoid American style forever wars, but now there is this kind of problem because of this minimalism.

Worse, it's not like Ukraine is going to need alot of forces to hold Kherson once they secure it. All those Brigades fighting there can be sent to a different front. Probably a strike towards Melitopol or Mariople.

The same is true for Russia. They don't need much forces to hold a river. And everything else can be sent to wherever Ukraine going to send their troops. But now without logistical problems that holding Kherson entails.

The entire story of this war has been Russias atrocious logistics and trying to take and defend massive amounts of territory with a comparatively small army. They are giving up a regional capital without a fight because of logistics. It's mind boggling.

The problem with holding Kherson is that river between east and west can freeze in winter, but strength of ice would not be enough to move transport over it. So you would end up with no pontoons for transport because of the ice and no ability to move vehicles on ice. Nobody was willing to take the risk, it seems.
There is also a speculation that America is in negotiations with Russia over Ukraine, despite Russian denial of it, so it might be part of the deal. With the whole "if Kherson falls to Ukraine, then negotiations can restart" articles and Biden softening his rhetoric and clearly stating that he will not start WW3 over Ukraine, i can see why. But it is too early to tell for sure. Might be another one of those Juda-Angloid tricks. The same one that happened at the beginning with Kviv.

 

[Racist Trash]

This is utterly surreal.

Like people are actually supposed to believe this is the supreme commander of all deployed Russian forces in Ukraine pitching a plan of action to the minister of defense and getting assent, and not a scripted show made for people with sub-human intelligence.

It says a lot about Russian society that they would put something like this out with the confidence the public is either retarded or submissive enough to buy it and not call bullshit.

Why do people refer to the banks of the river as left and right and not east or west? Left and right changes based on perspective but cardinal directions don't.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

The entire story of this war has been Russias atrocious logistics and trying to take and defend massive amounts of territory with a comparatively small army. They are giving up a regional capital without a fight because of logistics. It's mind boggling.

Russia will regroup and concentrate forces into a smaller area. It's going to work just as well as when it was tried by the other 6 generals that Putin fired.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Why do people refer to the banks of the river as left and right and not east or west? Left and right changes based on perspective but cardinal directions don't.

It's based on the direction of flow and is used by river boats to denote which side of the river their destination is on. The left bank is the side of the river on the port side of a ship traveling in the direction of the rivers flow.

The problem is, what Ukrainian will negotiate for? I know that most by now do not remember, but the first proposed peace deal at the very beginning was:
1. Independence for Donetsk Oblast.
2. Independence for Lugansk Oblast.
3. Recognition of Crimea as Russian.
4. Ukrainian neutrality (joining EU was allowed, from what i can remember).
There was probably something about not blocking water to Crimea, but i don't know if somebody publicly stated something about it or not.
They would need something out of those 4 points removed, because if they don't, then the question of why they even fought a war to gain nothing out of it will arise.
If they retake the rest of Kherson and Zaparozhiya, then it is just what they were presented with in a peace deal 7 months ago. They need to either take some other Oblast or secure place in NATO to make it somewhat worth it.
And if America is going to push for peace and accept all 4 points + water for Crimea, then the question becomes - how can America push Ukraine to accept the same deal that was presented to it before war started in earnest without looking like an asshole and without Ukraine looking like a used up whore?
I guess declaring minimalist goals was a smart thing for Russia to avoid American style forever wars, but now there is this kind of problem because of this minimalism.

The same is true for Russia. They don't need much forces to hold a river. And everything else can be sent to wherever Ukraine going to send their troops. But now without logistical problems that holding Kherson entails.

The problem with holding Kherson is that river between east and west can freeze in winter, but strength of ice would not be enough to move transport over it. So you would end up with no pontoons for transport because of the ice and no ability to move vehicles on ice. Nobody was willing to take the risk, it seems.
There is also a speculation that America is in negotiations with Russia over Ukraine, despite Russian denial of it, so it might be part of the deal. With the whole "if Kherson falls to Ukraine, then negotiations can restart" articles and Biden softening his rhetoric and clearly stating that he will not start WW3 over Ukraine, i can see why. But it is too early to tell for sure. Might be another one of those Juda-Angloid tricks. The same one that happened at the beginning with Kviv.

This makes sense. In some of my previous very dumb and MATI rated posts, I pointed out there could be no negotiated peace so long as Russia held Kherson. It gave them control of the Dniper river, and also put them firmly into what is commonly understood to be "Europe".

This may not just be logistics. Russia could be signaling it wants to talk again. Hence Zelenskys recent speech where he argued Russia doesn't give anything for any goodwill.

Even if Russia is being forced out, giving up Kherson does allow room for a negotiated peace. So long as it remained under Russian control nobody would be willing to agree to anything. Returning Kherson to Ukraine would be a prerequisit to any treaty ending the war.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Now. clearly this isn't the eighteenth century and weaponry has dramatically changed modern warfare, but one can look at recent conflicts like the Korean War to find US commanders employing tactics used by the ancient Greeks, with great success, if you understand how warfare works.

Which armchair university gave you a degree in military strategy?

 

[Foltest]

I think I have said this before, but why do people think that Russia will be able to get an upper hand in the winter?
Yes, Russians are used to the cold but guess who else are? Ukraine Get also really cold.