Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I think I have said this before, but why do people think that Russia will be able to get an upper hand in the winter?
Yes, Russians are used to the cold but guess who else are? Ukraine Get also really cold.

Russians specialize in two thing artillery shelling while digging in ( they still running out of ammo 6 months in a row according to experts) and winter war . Doesn't matter if you are used to it or not what matters is the expertise. Amerimutts whomever they sent there at best had some skirmishes in Kurdistan the closest i can think of colder areas with snow. The only other Nations with this specialization are small frys who can barely keep their armies running. Now sit down and watch how it goes

 

[Based Boy]

This makes sense. In some of my previous very dumb and MATI rated posts, I pointed out there could be no negotiated peace so long as Russia held Kherson. It gave them control of the Dniper river, and also put them firmly into what is commonly understood to be "Europe".

If they going to retain part of Dnepr as part of the agreement, would it mean that Russian barbarians hold part of "Europe" and US lost the war? Or "Europe" is only to the west of the river and Dnepr itself is not in "Europe"? Also, why Dniper? Is this one of those Kviv/Kevin type of situations?

This may not just be logistics. Russia could be signaling it wants to talk again. Hence Zelenskys recent speech where he argued Russia doesn't give anything for any goodwill.

You are saying that, but Russian strategy was always to remind everybody that they are open for negotiations at any time and the only thing that is holding them back is unwillingness of Ukrainians to negotiate. Which was true. The Ukrainians changed their position only recently and only because US told them to do so.

Even if Russia is being forced out, giving up Kherson does allow room for a negotiated peace. So long as it remained under Russian control nobody would be willing to agree to anything. Returning Kherson to Ukraine would be a prerequisit to any treaty ending the war.

I don't think it will be easy to negotiate as long as US does not want to fuck over Ukraine openly. There probably would be battle for the rest of Donetsk Oblast and how much US will support Ukraine while it is ongoing will tell a lot about whether backroom deal has been established or not.
If there is no deal, than it can drag on for quite some time, considering there is no easy places for Ukraine to push after Kherson. No easy places for Russians to push also, if they aren't willing to attack from Belarus, of course.
Maybe Ukraine will try their hand at taking Zaporozhye, i don't know. Maybe Russia will try to attack Sumy, considering their forces in Belarus are concentrated near the region, allegedly. Don't know why they would, though. Majority of battles will probably be in Donetsk Oblast, if there is no sweet deal which every side accept before anything can really start.

I think I have said this before, but why do people think that Russia will be able to get an upper hand in the winter?
Yes, Russians are used to the cold but guess who else are? Ukraine Get also really cold.

Cold is not a problem for any side. Not on the battlefield, at least.
From what i can understand, there is only two reasons why people say that Russians will benefit from winter in the war itself. No foliage to hide from drones that spot for artillery and easier time ooperating tanks, because they will not be stuck in the mud after ground freezes. Don't know how much advantage it will give, really.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If they going to retain part of Dnepr as part of the agreement, would it mean that Russian barbarians hold part of "Europe" and US lost the war? Or "Europe" is only to the west of the river and Dnepr itself is not in "Europe"? Also, why Dniper? Is this one of those Kviv/Kevin type of situations?

No. The Dniper River is the furthest extant of the Roman Empire to the East, thus its considered the boundary of western civilization. Lands to the East are the barbarian Realms. Lands to the west are civilization. Since the EU and too a lesser extent the USA view themselves as the successor states of the Roman Empire, conceding that border to a rival power would be too much.

For Ukraine, it's more immediate. Kherson controls the mouth of the Dniper, which is the largest river in their country and the backbone of their agricultural economy. Retaking Kherson was not optional.

You are saying that, but Russian strategy was always to remind everybody that they are open for negotiations at any time and the only thing that is holding them back is unwillingness of Ukrainians to negotiate. Which was true. The Ukrainians changed their position only recently and only because US told them to do so.

Russia had ample opportunities to negotiate from a position of strength back in March. Now they have to negotiate from a position of weakness. And to do that concessions have to be made. They could not hold Kherson anyway. Removing a critical sticking point may allow them to salvage something from this mess.

I don't think it will be easy to negotiate as long as US does not want to fuck over Ukraine openly. There probably would be battle for the rest of Donetsk Oblast and how much US will support Ukraine while it is ongoing will tell a lot about whether backroom deal has been established or not.

The US is not going to sell Ukraine out for a separate peace.

If there is no deal, than it can drag on for quite some time, considering there is no easy places for Ukraine to push after Kherson. No easy places for Russians to push also, if they aren't willing to attack from Belarus, of course.

Melitopol and Mariople are easy targets over the winter and spring months actually. Easier then Kherson was anyway.

Maybe Ukraine will try their hand at taking Zaporozhye, i don't know. Maybe Russia will try to attack Sumy, considering their forces in Belarus are concentrated near the region, allegedly. Don't know why they would, though. Majority of battles will probably be in Donetsk Oblast, if there is no sweet deal which every side accept before anything can really start.

I am still convinced that this current campaign will end in a few weeks and we will have another 3 month lull. Both sides have been fighting to the break point.

Cold is not a problem for any side. Not on the battlefield, at least.
From what i can understand, there is only two reasons why people say that Russians will benefit from winter in the war itself. No foliage to hide from drones that spot for artillery and easier time ooperating tanks, because they will not be stuck in the mud after ground freezes. Don't know how much advantage it will give, really.

Not much.

 

[AnonymousKot]

Even after doing some research, I still don't understand why the russians are retreating from Kherson, both ukrainians and russians have 30k soldiers each with artillery when the offensive started in september, sure the russians took 1500 KIA but they sent mobilized soldiers there last I heard, why are they retreating now since they have the manpower, and even with the crimean bridge being blowned up harder than a tranny, shouldn't they have the logistics to support defending Kherson ?

 

[Inspector Rex]

because they will not be stuck in the mud after ground freezes.

The groud in Ukraine doesn't freeze every year. I've been in Kyiv on New Years Eve when I was a kid and I remember seeing green grass everywhere. So if it's going to be a warm winter, there will be mud up until the March/April.

 

[Foltest]

Even after doing some research, I still don't understand why the russians are retreating from Kherson, both ukrainians and russians have 30k soldiers each with artillery when the offensive started in september, sure the russians took 1500 KIA but they sent mobilized soldiers there last I heard, why are they retreating now since they have the manpower, and even with the crimean bridge being blowned up harder than a tranny, shouldn't they have the logistics to support defending Kherson ?

Aren't most of the russians soliders newley arrived with old gear or rusty POS? They have lost so many of their officers in the war so far, that the officers that lead them, are either very green or are just terrible in general (I remember that I read an article about how 400 russians died from arty as their officers legged it)
the other sides are battle hardened with high motivations and better gear (Some of russian soldiers are using steel helmets for chirst sake) and most important, has good leadership.

 

[potato fan]

new russian propaganda talkshow dropped. Everyones faces status: it's ogre. They try to cope with the usual "we are fighting against the NATO, NATO attacked us!" but it does not seem to be working, even the propaganda pros can't pretend to be buying this.
Although it is weird how just 10 months ago, russians viewed NATO as just a bunch of trannies and fags with barely any working equipment, and it evolved into the "no wonder we can't win, we are figthing aginast the powerful NATO!" thing.

 

[IKOL]

Even after doing some research, I still don't understand why the russians are retreating from Kherson,

Nobody does. Seriously.
No idea what's the move is this but highly doubt that's some sort of cauldron in the motion. Too much of space for that.
Withdrawal from the Kherson direction is indeed bizzare choice, especialy considering the referendum that just recently have been established there along with LDPR ones.

Doesn't smell like making of the DMZ either, neither of neutral ground for negoti~... ah.

 

[Boner Pill]

You don't seem to understand that after the Battle of Brooklyn not only did the Continental Army lose New York, we lost New York Harbor and were forced to retreat into Pennsylvania, and never regained that territory until the war was over, right? But we still won. Eight years later.

Bitch you weren't there, theres no 'we'.

You do the same shit with Russia 'we've given the Hohols Kherson and retreated once again but let me explain why that's actually a big brained maneuver on our part."

You really are just rooting for your favorite sport team. You deny reality and huff copium like fans do when their team of choice is losing too

 

[DumbDude43]

Russians specialize in two thing artillery shelling while digging in ( they still running out of ammo 6 months in a row according to experts) and winter war . Doesn't matter if you are used to it or not what matters is the expertise. Amerimutts whomever they sent there at best had some skirmishes in Kurdistan the closest i can think of colder areas with snow. The only other Nations with this specialization are small frys who can barely keep their armies running. Now sit down and watch how it goes

russian "expertise in winter warfare" boils down to "use the countrys massive strategic depth as a buffer, carry out a gigantic retreat, give the enemy more ground than he can hold, then wait for enemy forces to succumb to attrition due to overextension"
this works if the enemy is napoleon/hitler, pushes thousands of miles deep into russian territory, and has supply lines that stretch back all the way to paris/berlin.
but it doesn't really accomplish anything if the enemy isn't even trying to push into russia in the first place. giving ukrainian ground back to ukrainian forces doesn't put them in a state of overextension, doesn't put some kind of massive stress on their supply lines, doesn't make them spontaneously freeze to death.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Which armchair university gave you a degree in military strategy?

The kind that has ivy on the buildings you dumb nigger.

Bitch you weren't there, theres no 'we'.

You do the same shit with Russia 'we've given the Hohols Kherson and retreated once again but let me explain why that's actually a big brained maneuver on our part."

You really are just rooting for your favorite sport team. You deny reality and huff copium like fans do when their team of choice is losing too

Spoken like a true globohomo faggot-has no pride in his country's founders, no knowledge of their accomplishments. Not to mention you're a colossal nigger since even the khokhols aren't sure what's going on, let alone anyone else. When I point out shit like this has happened hundreds of times in hundreds of battles, you all act like this is MacArthur at Inchon. Moscow in two weeks, amirite?

Organized sports is for the NPC, faggot; watching you retards sperg is far more entertaining, it truly is. Now I understand how the Japanese advisors felt when they warned MacArthur against going past the 38th Parallel in winter, only to watch him get BTFO by Chinese commies. The schadenfreude must have been delicious.

 

[Based Boy]

No. The Dniper River is the furthest extant of the Roman Empire to the East, thus its considered the boundary of western civilization. Lands to the East are the barbarian Realms. Lands to the west are civilization. Since the EU and too a lesser extent the USA view themselves as the successor states of the Roman Empire, conceding that border to a rival power would be too much.

Your autism will not work on me.

For Ukraine, it's more immediate. Kherson controls the mouth of the Dniper, which is the largest river in their country and the backbone of their agricultural economy. Retaking Kherson was not optional.

But wouldn't the river itself be contested until hostilities stop? If they wanted Kherson so badly, then they could have signed a peace deal in March and have it all to themselves without fighting for it for months.

Russia had ample opportunities to negotiate from a position of strength back in March. Now they have to negotiate from a position of weakness. And to do that concessions have to be made. They could not hold Kherson anyway. Removing a critical sticking point may allow them to salvage something from this mess.

They will negotiate whatever their position might be. They said as much throughout the whole conflict. The only issue is - will Ukraine sit at the negotiation table or not?

The US is not going to sell Ukraine out for a separate peace.

The US will not sell out Ukraine for a separate peace. US will dictate what the terms of the peace deal are to them when US wants this conflict to be over.

Melitopol and Mariople are easy targets over the winter and spring months actually. Easier then Kherson was anyway.

I don't know. While Russia doesn't exactly have a great record of holding on to stuff, to put it lightly, concentration of troops on the Russian side should increase at least by two times at a minimum. While numbers isn't everything, it is certainly one of the largest issues in this war for Russia. If not the largest. So i think they can hold on to the land bridge, as long as they do not choose to abandon it. I guess we will wait and see. With that said, can you elaborate on why do you think it would be easy for Ukrainians to push through Zaporozhye?

I am still convinced that this current campaign will end in a few weeks and we will have another 3 month lull. Both sides have been fighting to the break point.

Oh, i did not mean right now. I was pointing out where things might go in general.

The groud in Ukraine doesn't freeze every year. I've been in Kyiv on New Years Eve when I was a kid and I remember seeing green grass everywhere. So if it's going to be a warm winter, there will be mud up until the March/April.

For me, it would not matter anyway, because both sides will benefit/suffer from winter the same way.

 

[Hell on Earth]

No. The Dniper River is the furthest extant of the Roman Empire to the East, thus its considered the boundary of western civilization. Lands to the East are the barbarian Realms. Lands to the west are civilization. Since the EU and too a lesser extent the USA view themselves as the successor states of the Roman Empire, conceding that border to a rival power would be too much.

This is a WE WUZ nigger tier argument and you've also made up the thing about the Dniéper since the Romans controlled Mesopotamia and Azerbaijan, you dumb nigger.

Instead of having your head up your ass all the time, you should read more and look up more maps.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

You don't seem to understand that after the Battle of Brooklyn not only did the Continental Army lose New York, we lost New York Harbor and were forced to retreat into Pennsylvania, and never regained that territory until the war was over, right? But we still won. Eight years later.

But the Continental Army was receiving massive military support from France, a superpower at that time that was using the war of independence as a proxy battle. You can’t really compare Russia to the Continentals in this situation at all.

 

[AgendaPoster]

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new russian propaganda talkshow dropped. Everyones faces status: it's ogre. They try to cope with the usual "we are fighting against the NATO, NATO attacked us!" but it does not seem to be working, even the propaganda pros can't pretend to be buying this.
Although it is weird how just 10 months ago, russians viewed NATO as just a bunch of trannies and fags with barely any working equipment, and it evolved into the "no wonder we can't win, we are figthing aginast the powerful NATO!" thing.

- we're only engaged in a special operation to root out Nazis, we're a normal, smol country without irredentist territorial desires, we're bullied by the evil West!
Months later:
- OMFG we lost WWI, we lost to Japan, we lost Finland, OUR GREAT ROMANOV EMPIRE reeeeeeeeeee, why can't we have back muh territories with peoples that fucking hate our guts, we iz great imperial powa with great destiny
- we most certainly don't mess with other countries
Months later.
- Well we definitely messed up with elections in the US, and to not help DemonKKKraps we'll just announce Kherson abandonment after the voooting in Amerifat Lands is done
Are they hearing themselves? This is the alternative civilizational model offered to disenchanted Western rightoids?

 

[Kreitani]

- we're only engaged in a special operation to root out Nazis, we're a normal, smol country without irredentist territorial desires, we're bullied by the evil West!
Months later:
- OMFG we lost WWI, we lost to Japan, we lost Finland, OUR GREAT ROMANOV EMPIRE reeeeeeeeeee, why can't we have back muh territories with peoples that fucking hate our guts, we iz great imperial powa with great destiny
- we most certainly don't mess with other countries
Months later.
- Well we definitely messed up with elections in the US, and to not help DemonKKKraps we'll just announce Kherson abandonment after the voooting in Amerifat Lands is done
Are they hearing themselves? This is the alternative civilizational model offered to disenchanted Western rightoids?

Russian copium never gets old,they practiced it for centuries after all.

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

You really are just rooting for your favorite sport team. You deny reality and huff copium like fans do when their team of choice is losing too

This and the last 2 thread were essentially people just rooting for either Ukraine or Russia to get btfo or political sperging. If you want a serious discussion go outside and talk to people.
Vatniks will forever cope and never admit defeat, at this point it's hopeless talking to them.

 

[76LD910]

Why do people refer to the banks of the river as left and right and not east or west? Left and right changes based on perspective but cardinal directions don't.

Rivers don't follow cardinal directions in a grid pattern, very soon the active front in Kherson will be more accurately described as being on the north bank than the west, but there's no clear delineation of when exactly that will be the case.

There's obviously a danger of someone not familiar with military jargon confusing right/left with east/west when talking about a river that people assume flows in a constant southernly direction, but on balance it helps clear up confusion when talking about rivers.

 

[potato fan]

Ukraine offensive stopped in its tracks by this one, brilliant move:






Ukraine has just failed in one of it's main goals:



you gotta admit those are some galaxy brain takes

 

[Got Milk!]

Even after doing some research, I still don't understand why the russians are retreating from Kherson, both ukrainians and russians have 30k soldiers each with artillery when the offensive started in september, sure the russians took 1500 KIA but they sent mobilized soldiers there last I heard, why are they retreating now since they have the manpower, and even with the crimean bridge being blowned up harder than a tranny, shouldn't they have the logistics to support defending Kherson ?

Nobody does. Seriously.
No idea what's the move is this but highly doubt that's some sort of cauldron in the motion. Too much of space for that.
Withdrawal from the Kherson direction is indeed bizzare choice, especialy considering the referendum that just recently have been established there along with LDPR ones.

Doesn't smell like making of the DMZ either, neither of neutral ground for negoti~... ah.

So the three main ideas I'm hearing are either:
1) it's a negotiated deal or a basis to get to negotiations
2) Russia is worried Ukraine will flood them out by bombing the dam

3) Russia didn't actually withdraw from Kherson and it's a trap. French intelligence suggested this is the case yesterday. Or day before idr.


E: I also wanted to add to anyone/everyone saying that giving away already produced military equipment doesn't cost taxpayers anything should stop making that argument. Shit has to be replaced. That's where the cost is and with high inflation in the west already, it's going to cost even more. I believe it was the Dutch who said they only have enough stuff left for 2 days of conflict. Gotta get some extra expensive American equipment to replace it or they could be overrun by Lichtenstein in a week.